UK UK looks to overcome damaging skills 'deficit - I repeat they claim they won't use infinity migrants for this 😂

A shortage of skilled labor is a problem in many developed economies, but it has become acute in the UK — particularly in England. The country's new government is targeting a reset.

The United Kingdom has a skilled labor problem, particularly in England. According to the country's Department for Education, nearly a third of all job vacancies in 2022 were related to skills shortages while a majority of firms regularly report being unable to fill vacancies.

An obvious knock-on effect is on productivity. Since the financial crisis, the UK has struggled with sluggish productivity growth and multiple studies point to a link between this and its widening skills gap.

One of the ways the new government wants to tackle the problem is by revamping the way it identifies skills shortages and trains workers.

Last month, Prime Minister Keir Starmer launched Skills England, a new government body which aims to cut the country's skills gap by funding the training courses likely to produce the workers businesses need most.

"We are going to fire up the training of all UK workers," said Starmer. "If there's one thing we know that will drive innovation and accelerate productivity, [it] is having skilled workers."

For Mark Gray, a country manager for the UK and Ireland with robotics firm Universal Robots, the UK's skills shortage is something he comes up against on an almost daily basis.

He highlights the example of a small company he knows which employs 10 skilled welders. Many of the welders are over the age of 50, with two set to retire imminently.

A severe lack of skilled welders in the general workforce means they have to look at alternative solutions to maintain productivity and keep securing the contracts they need for the business to survive.

"One of the things that this company has looked at is putting two robot welders in there and having a younger operator who can program the robots," Gray told DW. "And the robots will do the lower value, repetitive things, and let the guys with the skills concentrate on what they're really good at."

While Skills England could potentially help train up the robot program operators for a role like this quickly, it will also need to boost the training of more traditional manufacturing roles like welding, said Gray.

"The average age of a welder in the UK is 50," he said. "And as they start to retire in the next 10, 15 years, that is going to leave us with a huge skills gap, which we are going to have to fill."

Shortages in all sectors
The UK's skills gap is regularly mentioned as a source of the country's sluggish economic productivity.

"While we have one of the most highly educated workforces in the world, in terms of the proportion of the educated to degree level, we have a substantial skills deficit in terms of intermediate and technical skills and qualifications," said Lizzie Crowley, senior skills adviser at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development.

She told DW there are also major deficits in terms of basic skills, including literacy, numeracy and digital. The country also faces challenges with poor leadership and management skills, she said, all contributing to lower productivity growth.

Kate Shoesmith, deputy CEO at the UK's Recruitment and Employment Confederation, said the UK has had a significant skills gap for decades but that the COVID-19 pandemic emphasized and exacerbated the problem.

Shoesmith said her organization did financial modelling which estimates that skills shortages now cost the UK economy £39 billion (€46 billion/$50 billion) per year.

"It's a huge cost in terms of lost GDP to the UK economy," she said. "It's a significant burden. Employers said it got far harder to recruit as they came out of the pandemic."

The pandemic combined with the chaotic events of Brexit to intensify the problem, with many EU nationals leaving the UK workforce in recent years.

"The figures show that the proportion of EU nationals that have left the UK is quite fundamental," said Shoesmith. "So these were people that were living and working in the UK and contributing to the economy in terms of jobs. They've left."

She said the current problems are apparent across multiple sectors, from data analysts and cybersecurity specialists in the digital economy, to truck drivers, teachers and health care professionals.

Will Skills England work?
In the launch, Starmer emphasized that the UK would not turn to foreign labor as a way of dealing with the problem, describing it as an "easy lever."

Yet the question is, will Skills England be able to solve the problem?

It will largely replace the existing Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical Education, but there is considerable optimism that it will be an improvement.

Mark Gray said the key is that the program works well with all stakeholders, from business to colleges and other third-level institutions.

"Getting training apprentices to go to those companies with the next generation of skills...if you invest in that, then you're going to see the productivity increase in the companies that you're supplying with labor," he said.

Skills England aims to identify regional and sectoral shortages by working with the central government, local councils, educational and training institutions, businesses and trade unions. "Historically, there has also been a lack of join-up between skills and education policy and local and regional economic development, industrial strategy and workforce development," said Lizzie Crowley.

"Skills England has the potential to address these weaknesses, by bringing together central and local government, businesses, training providers and trade unions to meet the skills needs of the next decade and ensuring alignment between the government's industrial strategy and local skills and growth priorities," she added.

Shoesmith said that while it's still not fully clear how Skills England will work, the ambition to connect various parts of the system — and to focus on regional differences — is clearly something to welcome.

"The other emphasis of the remit for Skills England is to really look at the local and regional differences of the employment market and ensure that training adapts to deliver for that employment market," she added.

No perfect model
As the new system takes shape, many comparisons have been made with other countries' training models, from the likes of South Korea and Canada to Germany's vocational education system.

But Crowley said the key to Skills England's future success may be to focus on what has happened in the UK over the years, to understand what works best.

"While there are excellent examples internationally, in my view we would do better from learning from our own past successes and failures in this space," she said. "And building on that knowledge rather than cherry-picking from other countries, which are operating in very different historical, political and socioeconomic contexts."


 
These guys are whistling past the graveyard. Before long they'll be needing morgue trucks from the civil war raging, not pajeet programmers.
Its not about pajeet programmers they need slavic welders and various industry related staff none of those are going to show up to work for shit pay that they can't save on . Their home countries are paying just as much without shitty regulations and the expense aren't that high.
 
UK has the issue of being both an economically backwards and disgraced country outside of the ivory towers in London. Nowadays, there is very little reason for European or East Asian skilled migrants to enter the UK as its salaries are comparatively low (for Northern Europe) with much higher costs of living and lower quality of life. The Benelux, Scandinavia and Switzerland have better pay, equally expensive housing at better quality and easier entry through Schengen. They can also just stay at home or move to their country's capital for higher pay.

For white collar workers (and workaholics), Singapore is still the be-all and end-all, and increasingly competitive with London. For overseas students, I don't see why you would choose Russel Group over Swiss Institutes of Technology or USA universities. Especially since UK doesn't even support its graduate students other than very limited grants.
 
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The United Kingdom has a skilled labor problem, particularly in England. According to the country's Department for Education, nearly a third of all job vacancies in 2022 were related to skills shortages while a majority of firms regularly report being unable to fill vacancies.

One of the ways the new government wants to tackle the problem is by revamping the way it identifies skills shortages and trains workers.
It's going to lower the requirement of the skills required. For example, to work on electrical panels higher than 24v DC, employers require an NVQ3 or equivalent in engineering because of the dangers involved and requirements by HSE and insurers
"We are going to fire up the training of all UK workers," said Starmer. "If there's one thing we know that will drive innovation and accelerate productivity, [it] is having skilled workers."
No, you're not. This is a lie.
it will also need to boost the training of more traditional manufacturing roles like welding,
PL: This hits close to home. I've argued with bluechip companies for the better part of a decade in regards to the drop of productivity because companies have abandoned any apprenticeship schemes. In the UK, when you come to retirement, you can request to have your work hours halved. Most companies refuse because they need those workers. Those workers then just quit.
Instead of being sensible and mandating "ok, you can do half hours on the job, but the other half are training a young apprentice" the companies refuse, because their mid and senior managers are fucking morons. I mean that genuinely.

The skills shortage starts in management because 99% of all of the managers i've met aren't managers. The ones under 30 years old are a fucking disaster and see management as an excuse to play internet janny IRL.
The pandemic combined with the chaotic events of Brexit to intensify the problem, with many EU nationals leaving the UK workforce in recent years.
You were warned about this after 2008. The construction workers refused to return to work because you wouldn't pay them a fair wage and instead paid pavlov and viktor 2/3rds of the wage. Now you've pissed them off because modeep and ubongo will do it for a third of that price.
"The figures show that the proportion of EU nationals that have left the UK is quite fundamental,"
These nationals aren't leaving because of Brexit. Far from it. They're flooding back to Eastern Europe because their wages and quality of life now surpass the UK.
Sure, you will only earn half of what you could in the UK, back in Latvia, but things are cheaper, the crime is lower, the weather is better, the government isn't tyranical....

The idea that Labour will fire up the apprenticeship scheme to help the working man - whom they've just villified, is a pipe dream. The manufacturing sector will disappear to Eastern Europe within the next 10 years, while the slavs are tard-wraangled by expat Brits WFH in costa del sol.
Ironically, the UK government wanted to be fully integrated into the European market. Unfortunately for the UK it's backfired and most people are fleeing in large numbers.

Bonus: The working class who work in factories have realised it's cheaper to work every hour God sends for 3 months, then live abroad for 3 months, than it is to stay permanently in the UK.
If Labour wants to retain people, it needs to stop migration, not to stop people coming in, but to stop the skilled from leaving (more than they already have).
 
Getting training apprentices to go to those companies with the next generation of skills...if you invest in that, then you're going to see the productivity increase in the companies that you're supplying with labor,
Holy shit you mean training young apprentices to learn skilled labor is something we have to invest in instead of just putting up a job posting for "10+ yr experienced welders only pl0x"

Amazing that in the current year of businesses refusing to invest any money into apprenticeship or trainee programs and instead just rely on hiring already experienced workers from the market that we would run into skill shortages and effective knowledge loss from aging experts retiring.
 
Now that I actually thought this through, won't Skills England simply create a new class of British emigrants? By training people without giving them a reason to stay, you will only increase their ability to emigrate. This might actively make the issue worse.
She said the current problems are apparent across multiple sectors, from data analysts and cybersecurity specialists in the digital economy, to truck drivers, teachers and health care professionals.
The workers in all of these sectors can expect amazingly higher pay outside of the UK while also having the education, skillset and financial assets needed to penetrate the visa obstacles for most countries. Similarly, welders, electricians and other blue collar workers are in very high demand across the pond. Labour really does not seem to get the core of the issue. Training does not matter if people have no reason to stay in your country.
 
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Holy shit you mean training young apprentices to learn skilled labor is something we have to invest in instead of just putting up a job posting for "10+ yr experienced welders only pl0x"

Amazing that in the current year of businesses refusing to invest any money into apprenticeship or trainee programs and instead just rely on hiring already experienced workers from the market that we would run into skill shortages and effective knowledge loss from aging experts retiring.
british 'industry leaders' are fat little worms wriggling for the state to save them from themselves.
they want skilled, experienced staff - no, they will not train you or give you experience. if you want training, youll have to pay for it, tee hee! if you want experience you need more experience, tee hee!
arrrgh we cant fill positions! help us mummy starmer, we're only little!
 
Last month, Prime Minister Keir Starmer launched Skills England, a new government body which aims to cut the country's skills gap by funding the training courses likely to produce the workers businesses need most.
“No, no, Mgumbu. Remember what I said last week and the week before that and three times the week before that? Remember? Go into your remember place. No, not the one where you rape women at machete point. The other one. The good one. No, not the rape…

“Anyways, threatening rape at machete point won’t fix a stuck hydraulic press. You need to press the red button, right there with the big yellow sign that says, wait, never mind I forgot you can’t read. Just hit the red button below the yellow sign and wait for Mark to come and fix it.

“No, you can’t rape Mark at machete point. At least not on the company dime. What you do in your free time is up to you.”
 
Holy shit you mean training young apprentices to learn skilled labor is something we have to invest in instead of just putting up a job posting for "10+ yr experienced welders only pl0x"

Amazing that in the current year of businesses refusing to invest any money into apprenticeship or trainee programs and instead just rely on hiring already experienced workers from the market that we would run into skill shortages and effective knowledge loss from aging experts retiring.
It's not about training exclusively. Many skilled workers train, do the minimum required by their training agreement then fuck off to another English speaking country.
 
Oh look, if it isn't the fallout of supporting foreigners looking for gibs over natives willing to do the hard work. Who could have seen this coming? In England you say? The brownist part of the UK, how shocking!
 
800k skilled engineers and doctors a year, they said.
Hugely beneficial to the economy, they said.
When? We said.
 
In the UK, when you come to retirement, you can request to have your work hours halved. Most companies refuse because they need those workers. Those workers then just quit.
Instead of being sensible and mandating "ok, you can do half hours on the job, but the other half are training a young apprentice"
That's actually quite sensible, is anyone actively pushing for it?

Or more broadly, does Britain have anything like a de-regulatory movement, pointing out how tied down and uncompetitive every aspect of life has become and trying to reverse it? Or is it just maximum safetyism as far as the eye can see?
 
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That's actually quite sensible, is anyone actively pushing for it?

Or more broadly, does Britain have anything like a de-regulatory movement, pointing out how tied down and uncompetitive every aspect of life has become and trying to reverse it? Or is it just maximum safetyism as far as the eye can see?
Obviously it's 2 tier.
Joe and Mark completed years of college and sign up to 15 registers/authorities to rewire a house but don't get the job because an Albanian did it himself with speaker wire and got a pajeet to sign it off for whiskey and 30 min with his prozzy wife.
 
Schools need to teach useful labor skills starting in childhood. It's gonna be really hard to teach some kid who has never used a screwdriver by age 21 to be a skilled laborer. It's like saying you need training programs to turn people into lawyers when all the potential students are illiterate.
 
Schools need to teach useful labor skills starting in childhood. It's gonna be really hard to teach some kid who has never used a screwdriver by age 21 to be a skilled laborer. It's like saying you need training programs to turn people into lawyers when all the potential students are illiterate.
Dunno about now but in the 90s we had 'design and technology' where you'd make something useless like a keychain ornament, trowel or pathetic electronic device. For some reason, part of the syllabus was how to make a jazzy brochure for your item even though marketing and graphic design are completely different disciplines. It might've been canned by now cos of the cost of insuring it; if a kid's going to lose a hand, it's going to be in DT. Not that this stopped kids hurting themselves in other classes at that school; the swot who looked down a test tube at the wrong moment and blasted boiling water in his eyes in chemistry or the pudgy bully somehow getting hypothermia in the school's vintage swimming pool despite the rest of the class being ok. That was a selective school as well.
 
Schools need to teach useful labor skills starting in childhood. It's gonna be really hard to teach some kid who has never used a screwdriver by age 21 to be a skilled laborer. It's like saying you need training programs to turn people into lawyers when all the potential students are illiterate.
This is a problem here in the Economic Zone of North America as well. Plenty of useful school programs have been removed. Home Economics, Shop Class, Automechanics. Gone.

Factor in the rampant propaganda demonizing blue-collar workers, its no wonder why no-one wants to work such jobs. Because the dream of every kiddo nowadays is to either work white collar jobs or be a famous Internet Celebrity.

This collapse was a problem decades in the making.
 
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