UK UK looks to overcome damaging skills 'deficit - I repeat they claim they won't use infinity migrants for this 😂

A shortage of skilled labor is a problem in many developed economies, but it has become acute in the UK — particularly in England. The country's new government is targeting a reset.

The United Kingdom has a skilled labor problem, particularly in England. According to the country's Department for Education, nearly a third of all job vacancies in 2022 were related to skills shortages while a majority of firms regularly report being unable to fill vacancies.

An obvious knock-on effect is on productivity. Since the financial crisis, the UK has struggled with sluggish productivity growth and multiple studies point to a link between this and its widening skills gap.

One of the ways the new government wants to tackle the problem is by revamping the way it identifies skills shortages and trains workers.

Last month, Prime Minister Keir Starmer launched Skills England, a new government body which aims to cut the country's skills gap by funding the training courses likely to produce the workers businesses need most.

"We are going to fire up the training of all UK workers," said Starmer. "If there's one thing we know that will drive innovation and accelerate productivity, [it] is having skilled workers."

For Mark Gray, a country manager for the UK and Ireland with robotics firm Universal Robots, the UK's skills shortage is something he comes up against on an almost daily basis.

He highlights the example of a small company he knows which employs 10 skilled welders. Many of the welders are over the age of 50, with two set to retire imminently.

A severe lack of skilled welders in the general workforce means they have to look at alternative solutions to maintain productivity and keep securing the contracts they need for the business to survive.

"One of the things that this company has looked at is putting two robot welders in there and having a younger operator who can program the robots," Gray told DW. "And the robots will do the lower value, repetitive things, and let the guys with the skills concentrate on what they're really good at."

While Skills England could potentially help train up the robot program operators for a role like this quickly, it will also need to boost the training of more traditional manufacturing roles like welding, said Gray.

"The average age of a welder in the UK is 50," he said. "And as they start to retire in the next 10, 15 years, that is going to leave us with a huge skills gap, which we are going to have to fill."

Shortages in all sectors
The UK's skills gap is regularly mentioned as a source of the country's sluggish economic productivity.

"While we have one of the most highly educated workforces in the world, in terms of the proportion of the educated to degree level, we have a substantial skills deficit in terms of intermediate and technical skills and qualifications," said Lizzie Crowley, senior skills adviser at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development.

She told DW there are also major deficits in terms of basic skills, including literacy, numeracy and digital. The country also faces challenges with poor leadership and management skills, she said, all contributing to lower productivity growth.

Kate Shoesmith, deputy CEO at the UK's Recruitment and Employment Confederation, said the UK has had a significant skills gap for decades but that the COVID-19 pandemic emphasized and exacerbated the problem.

Shoesmith said her organization did financial modelling which estimates that skills shortages now cost the UK economy £39 billion (€46 billion/$50 billion) per year.

"It's a huge cost in terms of lost GDP to the UK economy," she said. "It's a significant burden. Employers said it got far harder to recruit as they came out of the pandemic."

The pandemic combined with the chaotic events of Brexit to intensify the problem, with many EU nationals leaving the UK workforce in recent years.

"The figures show that the proportion of EU nationals that have left the UK is quite fundamental," said Shoesmith. "So these were people that were living and working in the UK and contributing to the economy in terms of jobs. They've left."

She said the current problems are apparent across multiple sectors, from data analysts and cybersecurity specialists in the digital economy, to truck drivers, teachers and health care professionals.

Will Skills England work?
In the launch, Starmer emphasized that the UK would not turn to foreign labor as a way of dealing with the problem, describing it as an "easy lever."

Yet the question is, will Skills England be able to solve the problem?

It will largely replace the existing Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical Education, but there is considerable optimism that it will be an improvement.

Mark Gray said the key is that the program works well with all stakeholders, from business to colleges and other third-level institutions.

"Getting training apprentices to go to those companies with the next generation of skills...if you invest in that, then you're going to see the productivity increase in the companies that you're supplying with labor," he said.

Skills England aims to identify regional and sectoral shortages by working with the central government, local councils, educational and training institutions, businesses and trade unions. "Historically, there has also been a lack of join-up between skills and education policy and local and regional economic development, industrial strategy and workforce development," said Lizzie Crowley.

"Skills England has the potential to address these weaknesses, by bringing together central and local government, businesses, training providers and trade unions to meet the skills needs of the next decade and ensuring alignment between the government's industrial strategy and local skills and growth priorities," she added.

Shoesmith said that while it's still not fully clear how Skills England will work, the ambition to connect various parts of the system — and to focus on regional differences — is clearly something to welcome.

"The other emphasis of the remit for Skills England is to really look at the local and regional differences of the employment market and ensure that training adapts to deliver for that employment market," she added.

No perfect model
As the new system takes shape, many comparisons have been made with other countries' training models, from the likes of South Korea and Canada to Germany's vocational education system.

But Crowley said the key to Skills England's future success may be to focus on what has happened in the UK over the years, to understand what works best.

"While there are excellent examples internationally, in my view we would do better from learning from our own past successes and failures in this space," she said. "And building on that knowledge rather than cherry-picking from other countries, which are operating in very different historical, political and socioeconomic contexts."


 
I have had to teach at a lower educational attainment college to make ends meet when I first graduated. I asked a student when calibrating a thermometer: "Right, now that the water is boiling; what temperature should the thermometer be?" And this lad answered "25?". It was literally 28C in the room.

How do you fix that? He was 16 an didn't know what temperature water boiled and he was doing a level 3 qualification in science. I do not know how you fix that.
 
It's not about training exclusively. Many skilled workers train, do the minimum required by their training agreement then fuck off to another English speaking country.
Why would you stay in the UK if you had the skills to go anywhere else?
Schools need to teach useful labor skills starting in childhood. It's gonna be really hard to teach some kid who has never used a screwdriver by age 21 to be a skilled laborer. It's like saying you need training programs to turn people into lawyers when all the potential students are illiterate.
Good luck getting that through to any educators in the west - they all count on migrant laborers to fix their homes.
 
Good luck getting that through to any educators in the west - they all count on migrant laborers to fix their homes.
Yeah, these educators might act like the marketing guy campaign in a well known Stonetoss meme:
"Educator: Behold, our newest campaign (show a poster of two guys kissing)
Principal: How that overcome damaging skills deficit?
Educator: Damaging skills deficit?"
 
The UK only excels at clear cutting their country for temporary military power, tanking V2s and making stupid mailboxes.

Sorry UK Kiwis I wuv you as much as you wuv the Reliant Robin.
 
That's actually quite sensible, is anyone actively pushing for it?
I pushed for it, got told to fuck off by the plant manager. I explained the benefits, they didn't want to hear it.
The management believed that this fella (and two others) coming to retirement would give the company enough notice to hire people to run this highly specialised equipment. They didn't. They gave the mandatory 1 weeks' notice that they had warned about for three months.

The result was having to pay OT (at x2 normal time) to other fellas to run that machine, as they were nearing retirement and saw the ill treatment of the now retiree, they told the management to fuck off. This left 48 hours a week where the line stood, costing £50k in products, a week. The fellas wage was £40k a year.

Plant manager was sacked soon after. They never found a replacement. A young kid could have run the machine in his sleep (it was computerised) for £28k a year, saving money and keeping the plant ticking over.

Like I say, the skill shortage is in the area where the old boys work; welding, tool making, lathing etc, but the real skill shortage is management because when a shortage appears in management, they hire any old fuck wad to cover the gap. It's the equivalent of hiring a fisherman to operate a nuclear reactor. That alone costs companies billions a year.
Or more broadly, does Britain have anything like a de-regulatory movement, pointing out how tied down and uncompetitive every aspect of life has become and trying to reverse it? Or is it just maximum safetyism as far as the eye can see?
Simply put, a senior manager can't lose if they do nothing. If it goes tits up, they blame those below them. If it goes really tits up they're (rarely) sacked with 6+ months wage payments as is their contract. If it goes really, really tits up and the factory shuts down, they get mega redundancy payments, a golden parachute and the chance to float into another management position where they can fuck things up.
 
"While we have one of the most highly educated workforces in the world, in terms of the proportion of the educated to degree level, we have a substantial skills deficit in terms of intermediate and technical skills and qualifications," said Lizzie Crowley, senior skills adviser at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development.

She told DW there are also major deficits in terms of basic skills, including literacy, numeracy and digital.

I think I have identified the problem.
Everyone in Britain is retarded.
So, what is it bitch? You have the most educated workforce in the world? or your applicants are illiterate niggers who cant read, write or do addition?
Pick one, it can't be both things.

Why not train all these muslim men that are rioting in the streets? Oh, they don;t want a job or training, they just want gibs and forcing them to work would be racist?
 
I think I have identified the problem.
Everyone in Britain is retarded.
So, what is it bitch? You have the most educated workforce in the world? or your applicants are illiterate niggers who cant read, write or do addition?
Pick one, it can't be both things.

Why not train all these muslim men that are rioting in the streets? Oh, they don;t want a job or training, they just want gibs and forcing them to work would be racist?
they do have work by selling drugs and pimping out underage girls who cant fend for themselves at the family business .
 
Plenty of useful school programs have been removed. Home Economics, Shop Class, Automechanics. Gone.
Fucking. PL.

My older brother and sister both had the same Auto Shop teacher in the high school across the street from our house and she was awesome, always worked with all the kids, even helped older brother with his motorcycle off-the-clock.

I get there around the turn of the millennium and they've gotten rid of Auto Shop, replaced it with Space Science for some reason, and the teacher since got married and is working in Counseling now.

Worst part? She let her politics slither in. So she went from Based Car Lady to Stuffy Counselor Lady.

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You used to be cool, man.
 
I think I have identified the problem.
Everyone in Britain is retarded.
So, what is it bitch? You have the most educated workforce in the world? or your applicants are illiterate niggers who cant read, write or do addition?
Pick one, it can't be both things.

Why not train all these muslim men that are rioting in the streets? Oh, they don;t want a job or training, they just want gibs and forcing them to work would be racist?
What she's talking around - and doesn't want to mention - is the absolutely fucking chasm of divide in education standards for various areas. There are places in the UK, where schools have to take literally everyone that's thrown at them, and ram them in 45-50 people classrooms, taught by fresh PGCE graduates, with a shoestring budget. Then down the road in a different catchment area, you can classes of 20-25 kids, with teachers that have 30 years experience - because the good teachers retire and do reduced hours to the nice schools - with inflated budgets and parental engagement.

That's not even touching on the private school thing, and the disparity in government support for various areas, and how the way foreigns congregate means you can get schools absolutely rammed with them, degrading your education down to nothing. No one who is in power can deal with these issues, because the answer is illiberal. Some kids are retards and won't benefit from advanced education, having mixed skills classes is bad, children who are too disruptive need to be removed; having all their foreign children is disruptive by its very nature.
 
No one who is in power can deal with these issues, because the answer is illiberal. Some kids are retards and won't benefit from advanced education, having mixed skills classes is bad, children who are too disruptive need to be removed; having all their foreign children is disruptive by its very nature.
So, what happened to instilling an drive to improve themselves? Because, you know, schools can't teach them everything that's important within 12 years without it being diluted by politicians
 
So, what happened to instilling an drive to improve themselves? Because, you know, schools can't teach them everything that's important within 12 years without it being diluted by politicians
Split parent families became the norm, and parents don't seem too bothered when it comes to engaging with their children and encouraging their education. If you really care about your childs education, you probably aren't going to move to the catchment area with a doghshit 'megaschool' that takes every child with a pulse and packs them in like sardines.

School can't teach you everything sure, but a lot of the schools in this country can't teach you anything.

Also doesn't help that people seem to trust the education system because when they went through it, it used to be decent. So they assume it still is, and still teaches you practical and useful skills. This is no longer the case. A good example is when I was a kid, I did two months work experience, my little brother only has to do 3 days, and it can be work from home.
 
So, what happened to instilling an drive to improve themselves? Because, you know, schools can't teach them everything that's important within 12 years without it being diluted by politicians
There is no drive to do better. Very, very few people want to do better and in some areas, those who want to do better are browbeaten into not wanting to do better.
 
Also as an aside. I've done teaching in a deprived college (not university, it seems to be a UK specific thing, that if you don't go sixth form, you go to college which is where the mongs go), and I've done lectures for university years 1-3 during my masters, and PhD work. The standards for passing have flatlined. We don't fail anyone anymore because funding is linked purely to pass/fail rates for many places. The lowest I've been allowed to give a student was 49%, and that was just for handing something in. I've been directly told to just do work for students, by sitting them down with me and telling them what to write in order to pass them. Many of the qualifications lower income students are driven towards aren't graded, they are pass or fail.

So even if you are actually driven, what doe it matter? Your qualification is the same as Ngwesi Mubunti or Dave Shithead that didn't do any work, but still managed to get through. So you go to apply for a job, or a trade, or anything that you need that qualification for, and the boss sees 'North South Tynesgate Technical Retard College' on it and into the bin your paper goes. We tell children and teens to pursue education, and devalued the degreee, so we say do alternatives, and the government rams through infinite people and it devalues that, so invent more and more bullshit qualifications and swap names around - you're doing an O level, sorry A level, sorry T level, sorry technical award, sorry secondary higher, etc, etc, etc - to try and sweep this under the rug.

The reality is that we don't have enough good jobs, with good wages, and we have too many fucking people. We have imported too many people, and dismantled our industries, and we are lying about it. We convince teenagers that there is a wealth of employment out there that doesn't exist. There is no foundation of good trade jobs in this country, no industrial jobs, and no production jobs. You can work in a call centre, the NHS, or London. Otherwise you can work in a shop. Fuck you.

Pisses me off man.
 
This is a problem here in the Economic Zone of North America as well. Plenty of useful school programs have been removed. Home Economics, Shop Class, Automechanics. Gone.

Factor in the rampant propaganda demonizing blue-collar workers, its no wonder why no-one wants to work such jobs. Because the dream of every kiddo nowadays is to either work white collar jobs or be a famous Internet Celebrity.
slightly related, over here (other part of europe) those programs are now part of "job integration" (take a guess where that comes from). fucked up and have no degree? state is outright willing to spend money to get you that training you need to find a job. it's not the worst idea, you gotta spend some to get some, hopefully ending up as a skilled worker.

however, the jobs itself are not as glamorous as you said (even tho you can make damn good money, especially in today's shortage), and anyone who flunked school probably doesn't have the foundation or drive to get through those programs.
spoke with a mate recently who's currently in one of them (late 30's, state is even willing to pay you get retraining so you become productive again), according to him he's one of like 2 natives, and like one of 3-4 actually in to get a successful certificate. rest doesn't care and just spends time so the gibs keep flowing.

point is even with the programs, which the UK doesn't even seem to have, you still need a willing population first.
 
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point is even with the programs, which the UK doesn't even seem to have, you still need a willing population first.
Unironically fucking this. When a person is invested in a community, it shows. They do jobs no-one cares about. They are much more considerate. Far more kinder even.

But this multi-culti Hellhole is creating a class of people that can care less about their fellow man. After all, nothing is really bonding them together. Culture and Religion used to occupy that slot but it has been burned away because our rulers just hate us. Of course, you can always pay more but our rulers are penny pinchers unless its being spent on Adrenochrome, Child slaves, their gaudy tastes and pleasing their masters.

So now, they are facing down the barrel of societal collapse and refuse to fix it because of that simple hatred for the Pleb.
 
however, the jobs itself are not as glamorous as you said (even tho you can make damn good money, especially in today's shortage), and anyone who flunked school probably doesn't have the foundation or drive to get through those programs.
spoke with a mate recently who's currently in one of them (late 30's, state is even willing to pay you get retraining so you become productive again), according to him he's one of like 2 natives, and like one of 3-4 actually in to get a successful certificate. rest doesn't care and just spends time so the gibs keep flowing.
Where I'm from there's always a shortage of tradesmen who work a trade where they can be their own boss, so electricians, car mechanics, HVAC technicians etc. because if they're competent they can afford an upper class lifestyle with just a 3 year high school degree, while they're being paid fucking peanuts if they work somewhere else. 2 years ago our railway had a massive shortage of workers, most notably train dispatchers and train drivers with a few odd jobs in between. Despite the fact that they looked for 21 dispatchers and 12 train drivers, so many people showed up to be trained for those jobs that they even had the privilege to pick the best candidates. It pays well despite being pretty rough work (train drivers especially are very well paid here). On the flipside they were looking for 2 electricians... and they still can't find any, for two years they've been looking to train just 2 electricians and there still haven't been any takers because any self-employed electrician can easily make three times as much as one working for the railway.
 
Also as an aside. I've done teaching in a deprived college (not university, it seems to be a UK specific thing, that if you don't go sixth form, you go to college which is where the mongs go), and I've done lectures for university years 1-3 during my masters, and PhD work. The standards for passing have flatlined. We don't fail anyone anymore because funding is linked purely to pass/fail rates for many places. The lowest I've been allowed to give a student was 49%, and that was just for handing something in. I've been directly told to just do work for students, by sitting them down with me and telling them what to write in order to pass them. Many of the qualifications lower income students are driven towards aren't graded, they are pass or fail.
Reading your posts, education is the same on this side of the pond. It's probably endemic in the entire West at this point.
 
ok, you can do half hours on the job, but the other half are training a young apprentice" the companies refuse, because their mid and senior managers are fucking morons. I mean that genuinely.
Like there’s anyone to train… Said this before but I know a guy who does something technical with nuclear power plant control systems. Designs them I think. Wanted to retire, couldn’t. They couldn’t find anyone to replace him. Kept giving him people to train and they were dangerously bad. He retired and went back the next day as a day rater n an obscene amount of money. Retired far later than he wanted to but it took management almost a decade to find him someone (who is apparently‘not great’ to be able to learn the basics. )
My own industry is chronically short staffed. We need people who are very qualified and capable but then they treat them like shit and they burn out. And leave. why can’t we fiiiiind anyone?? Wahhh!
To avoid a double post - @Chunky Salsa ive taught at Russel group unis and experienced the same - absolutely no marks below a set point or above a set point, and a 2:2 equivalent given for students who handed in a blank workbook. This was in the 1990s - the rot runs deep
 
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