Are people remembering traumas decades after legit?

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It depends on the situation, and the age at which the trauma occurred. There are legitimate concerns about implanted memories.
 
I nearly drowned in a really nasty accident when I was a child and I don't really have any special recollections or particular emotions about that event, it's just some forgotten piece of history that I had to dig up hard for, just cause I saw your thread.
 
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There's a reason why hypnotically-induced recollections are generally inadmissible in US courts. It's a similar mechanism at play, here, with recalling traumas. Memories are extremely unreliable to begin with, then you take into account a large passage of time, then you start monkeying with them like that with something that isn't reliably clear to begin with, or something pops into your head that hasn't consistently been there.

I don't think 100% of cases of trauma recollection are bogus, though I wouldn't be inclined to believe extraordinary claims in any given case without additional supporting evidence. The guy claiming he was nearly kidnapped in childhood is extremely likely to be lying for attention or extremely misguided.
 
No, events that had an strong impact on you, you're more likely to remember than forget.

I mentioned this once in the US political thread on the topic of trauma and a theory of buddy of mine came up with to how exposure to porn is a traumatic event for people, by retelling how my buddy would survey people and ask them when was the first time they watched porn and his was amazed how all them could remember their age and what they saw in detail. As if it imprinted its self on their physic.
 
Yes, medically it is a thing.

However, for instances of outright serious sexual and physical abuse it normally only becomes memory voided when people are young enough that their brains are still developing. It also presents itself in alternative symptoms such as attachment issues; sexual deviancy; and violent or anti-social behaviour. Even with those instances though, actually forming a realistic memory is very rare and almost always not true to the actual event as memory isn't very static or effective in capturing precise moments.

Another issue is that people can have their memories inserted in to them -- if someone has a guardian or individual in their life who tells them specific details to replace the individuals memory then that individual will start to form memories around whatever has been told to them, regardless of reality.

Even in non-trauma induced individuals memory is very weak as a recollective tool for anything that isn't actively happening in someone's life outside of the important life events.
Mr Bunny dijo:
No, events that had an strong impact on you, you're more likely to remember than forget.
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That's not correct. Memory is very complicated and the relation of stress/trauma to it actually inhibits memory recollection. We have extensive medical and historical evidence that the higher the trauma the less likely someone is to remember something accurately.
 
No, look up the Elizabeth Loftus studies on memory confabulation. There's no evidence for Freudian "repression" and it makes no sense evolutionarily; you would not want to forget dangerous or threatening situations. Whenever you see someone push repressed memories, they're usually a psychoanalyst which means they are basically into pseudoscience.
 
Truly traumatic stuff you can't forget. You can just pretend to forget by avoiding thinking about it or distracting yourself when you're reminded of it. So it can seem like you've forgotten but you're just avoiding it

Mild bad memories you forget all the time. As long as it's not traumatic there's a tendency to forget bad memories. It's why old people say stuff like "my kids weren't like that" when they see kids throwing a tantrum in public. Their kids were like that, they just only only remember the good parts of raising kids. Or when you quit a job you really hate because you can't stand it anymore then 5 to 10 years later you think "it wasn't that bad. Maybe I could find a similar job now".
 
Schwarzwald dijo:
The guy claiming he was nearly kidnapped in childhood is extremely likely to be lying for attention or extremely misguided.
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In the story it's fake for the sake of having a plot. The video I referred to was two guys talking about a story called Penpals. I didn't want to make the classic mistake of mentioning something that is more interesting than the original topic.
 
Schwarzwald dijo:
There's a reason why hypnotically-induced recollections are generally inadmissible in US courts. It's a similar mechanism at play, here, with recalling traumas. Memories are extremely unreliable to begin with, then you take into account a large passage of time, then you start monkeying with them like that with something that isn't reliably clear to begin with, or something pops into your head that hasn't consistently been there.

I don't think 100% of cases of trauma recollection are bogus, though I wouldn't be inclined to believe extraordinary claims in any given case without additional supporting evidence. The guy claiming he was nearly kidnapped in childhood is extremely likely to be lying for attention or extremely misguided.
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There was some case where a woman basically believed she was sexually assaulted, repressed the memory, and ended up sending an innocent man to prison before it turned out that she really had imagined it. (This might be in relation to Elizabeth Loftus as previously mentioned).

For normal memories, something you see or hear can trigger old memories but these aren't admissible in court cases since memories can be distorted over time, and there's also the off-chance that you remember a weird dream you had.

That being said, you can block out the severe moments of the trauma. Clint Malarchuk was severely injured in a hockey game when he took a blade to the neck in a tumble and later witnessed Richard Zedník get injured in a similar way, which brought back traumatic memories of his injury, to the extent that he tried to commit suicide later that year. But it wasn't like Malarchuk didn't know he was injured before, it just triggered the worst parts of that. Car accident survivors usually tend to not remember the actual moment of impact. (This also should be noted that if someone was involved in a traumatic incident, what happened in the seconds before should not be considered trustworthy)*


* Two specific well-publicized incidents in the recent years would be Alec Baldwin shooting Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza. I don't believe that his "my finger wasn't on the trigger" line not because he was trying to weasel his way out of it, but it was a traumatic incident for him, as well, and probably replayed the event in his mind so many times that he changed what happened.

The second would be a security guard that was zerg-rushed at Astroworld Festival. He passed out and was revived with Narcan, claiming to be stabbed with a needle. He probably got poked by someone's clothes or something.
 
Harbinger of Kali Yuga dijo:
No, look up the Elizabeth Loftus studies on memory confabulation. There's no evidence for Freudian "repression" and it makes no sense evolutionarily; you would not want to forget dangerous or threatening situations. Whenever you see someone push repressed memories, they're usually a psychoanalyst which means they are basically into pseudoscience.
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While I agree with your point, Elizabeth Loftus is a hired hack:

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Pitbull Victim dijo:
While I agree with your point, Elizabeth Loftus is a hired hack:

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I saw that and don't know the details; Loftus' research has been replicated and despite everything the lawyers for the plaintiffs might have been trying to argue something relating to recovered memories which is absolutely bullshit no matter what and thus hiring Loftus would be a prudent choice regardless of the defendant's guilt.
 
There is stuff you'll remember. Depends on how emotional the moment is and how much adrenaline you got.

I almost fell off a cliff when I was ten. I still recall gripping the rock vividly, and how the mud felt sliding against my back.

But you have to be in a panicked, life or death flight or flight moment. If your loved one dies in your arms, you'll remember it. If you went along with a funny, fat stranger with a rainbow shirt until a cop yelled at him and shepherded you back to your mother, you'll likely forget it, as at that time you weren't terrified because of your ignorance.
 
I don't know about repressed memories, but I do think people can repress feelings that explode out at a later date.

People who are sexually abused don't suddenly forget they've been abused. They may be too young to fully understand what happened. They might want to pretend it didn't happen. In some cases indeed, it might become advantageous or acceptable to talk about something that previously may have put them at a disadvantage.

There is a type of short term amnesia associated with shock, but I suspect a lot of the time with repressed memories I think it's more repressed behaviour. They haven't forgotten, they just didn't want to talk about it for whatever reason and it could well have influenced their behaviour long before coming out.
 
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