Chinese Military Operations in Taiwan


If China is taking back it's pandas that's a rather significant move. Didnt Biden just go over there to smooth over relations?
wait I was mistaken. the meeting hasn't happened yet and it's in San Fran
 
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If China is taking back it's pandas that's a rather significant move. Didnt Biden just go over there to smooth over relations?
wait I was mistaken. the meeting hasn't happened yet and it's in San Fran
Pandas are fucking retarded. Just display grizzlies instead. Zoos need to stop simping for foreign animals and show how fucking terrifying American wildlife can be. At least then we'd get interesting stories about dip shits who snuck into the bear exhibit getting brutally mauled every few years.
 
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With Biden managing to fuck up ukraine with the whole backing of NATO, Taiwan is being protected by the most pozzed military branch in NATO. The US navy will somehow fuck up protecting Taiwan, leaving the Taiwanese to defend themselves. How long can they last by themselves? Joe Biden won't do shit if it's going to distract from protecting Israel.
 
Not exactly Taiwan, but more China fuckery in the South China Sea (which will come into play if US-China conflict erupts):


tl;dr Chinese Coast Guard boats keep fucking with resupply vessels for a disputed reef outpost manned by Filipino Marines. China wants to claim the reef and dump landfill to make another artificial island aka military radar station/airfield/anti-ship missile base. They (China) already lost arbitration in front of the United Nations for this particular reef, so they've been trying to bully the Flips off it and just plant their flag anyway.
 
Not exactly Taiwan, but more China fuckery in the South China Sea (which will come into play if US-China conflict erupts):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Afz1qzZ1vVI
tl;dr Chinese Coast Guard boats keep fucking with resupply vessels for a disputed reef outpost manned by Filipino Marines. China wants to claim the reef and dump landfill to make another artificial island aka military radar station/airfield/anti-ship missile base. They (China) already lost arbitration in front of the United Nations for this particular reef, so they've been trying to bully the Flips off it and just plant their flag anyway.
Coercion and aggression are perfectly valid strategies for improving your strategic position to me. I think territory should go to the strongest, especially when it's so strategically important for China and basically irrelevant for the smaller powers that rim the SCS. To me, it's pretty based when countries recall their true nature and upset the established system.
 
Coercion and aggression are perfectly valid strategies for improving your strategic position to me. I think territory should go to the strongest, especially when it's so strategically important for China and basically irrelevant for the smaller powers that rim the SCS. To me, it's pretty based when countries recall their true nature and upset the established system.
There's nothing "based" about war or aggression. The international community rejected offensive war as legitimate part of diplomacy because nobody wanted to get dragged into regional or global wars that costed millions of lives ever again. There is nothing to be gained by anyone from China trying to upset the established the international status quo.
 
There's nothing "based" about war or aggression. The international community rejected offensive war as legitimate part of diplomacy because nobody wanted to get dragged into regional or global wars that costed millions of lives ever again. There is nothing to be gained by anyone from China trying to upset the established the international status quo.
This isn't war though, it's just bullying. Filipines aren't going to declare war on China over a reef they only care about because the yanks tell them to deny China positions it could use to defend itself from foreign aggression.

And there is plenty to be gained for just about everyone from China overturning the western hegemony.
 
This isn't war though, it's just bullying. Filipines aren't going to declare war on China over a reef they only care about because the yanks tell them to deny China positions it could use to defend itself from foreign aggression.

And there is plenty to be gained for just about everyone from China overturning the western hegemony.
Its not war yet, but this kind of brinksmanship can very easily cascade to war. Which is why nations generally repudiated such actions in favor of international arbitration. This isn't about China resisting "foreign aggression", this is about a larger power attempting to bully a weaker one.

And no, nobody has anything to gain from an authoritarian, Communist dictatorship attempting to expand its power.
 
There's nothing "based" about war or aggression. The international community rejected offensive war as legitimate part of diplomacy because nobody wanted to get dragged into regional or global wars that costed millions of lives ever again. There is nothing to be gained by anyone from China trying to upset the established the international status quo.
Coercion is a continuously used strategy by all major powers, and often without serious near-term consequences that affect real balance-of-power calculation. Russia uses it, China uses it, the US uses it, France used it until recently. The whole point is to get what you want, when you want it, for cheaper than a war but in a riskier way than some imaginary peaceful negotiation. The SCS is China's littoral until someone else feels like building a navy for fighting in that area. The US cannot influence that conflict meaningfully, FONOPS and long-term attempts at fucking China's position as export king are about all the US can commit to as tactics without creating a much worse conflict, which they simply won't do if they can help it, not with retard joe drooling at the helm. The international status quo does not benefit the ruling elite of a country with a powerful military to their liking, they're going to buck. The flips and the rest of ASEAN are on their own.

So IR theory considers punishment against civilians and against military targets as two distinct kinds of coercive force. They're usually intermingled when a country considers coercion. Direct military coercion is the one you use when you're not the US and can't do economic coercion effectively and when political coercion is failing you. There's no law that's binding to a country with nukes, which is the basic and overarching rule of the international community. It has allowed the US to avoid becoming a pariah state as it launched wars of aggression against multiple countries with flimsy and eventually proven-false causes. It's allowed Russia to keep the US out of a regional war it would lose if they got gulf stormed. China's going to use the coercive options it has, because it values the territory enough to humiliate a trading partner that's on the fence between them and the US in terms of its medium term security guarantor. The established international status quo is not going to hold up forever, nor should it, because it is not satisfying to all big boy countries.
 
Coercion is a continuously used strategy by all major powers, and often without serious near-term consequences that affect real balance-of-power calculation. Russia uses it, China uses it, the US uses it, France used it until recently.
The coercion used in modern politics is usually discreet, and is either economic or political in nature. Overt brinksmanship is avoided.

The SCS is China's littoral until someone else feels like building a navy for fighting in that area. The US cannot influence that conflict meaningfully,
The U.S. very much can influence the conflict meaningfully. Its why China is trying to claim the South China Sea in the first place; to nullify America's naval advantage and render its alliance structure moot.

The flips and the rest of ASEAN are on their own.
This completely flies in the face of reality and America's strategic thinking over the last 15 years. America has been pivoting towards Asia, and countering China, for awhile now, including reopening American bases in the Philippines that had been closed for over a decade, and strengthening its military and diplomatic ties with China's very worried neighbors.

There's no law that's binding to a country with nukes, which is the basic and overarching rule of the international community.
Yes there is. Its called Mutually Assured Destruction.

China's going to use the coercive options it has, because it values the territory enough to humiliate a trading partner that's on the fence between them and the US in terms of its medium term security guarantor.
The only thing China's actions will do will be to drive the Philippines more and more into the arms of the United States, after they wavered on supporting the U.S. under their previous President.

The established international status quo is not going to hold up forever, nor should it, because it is not satisfying to all big boy countries.
The international status quo will hold for as long as the United States is willing to enforce it, and you damn well should hope it does, unless you want to return to a world where the planet is engulfed in huge devastating wars every few years.
 
Not exactly Taiwan, but more China fuckery in the South China Sea (which will come into play if US-China conflict erupts):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Afz1qzZ1vVI
tl;dr Chinese Coast Guard boats keep fucking with resupply vessels for a disputed reef outpost manned by Filipino Marines. China wants to claim the reef and dump landfill to make another artificial island aka military radar station/airfield/anti-ship missile base. They (China) already lost arbitration in front of the United Nations for this particular reef, so they've been trying to bully the Flips off it and just plant their flag anyway.

Yes. US already reopened old Phillipines US military bases. They've started sending carrier groups to the South China sea. In the East China sea, they've sent Australian Frigates. Japan and Taiwan have been making new orders for armaments. And they've approved sale of US Nuclear submarines to Australia.

The only reason Australia would need US Nuclear submarines is if they need to loiter indefinetely. Therefore the only possible conclusion you can come to is US is planning a future blockade of China. So China has to close the sea gaps in their defenses, so the US doesn't get free reign in this scenario.
 
The only reason Australia would need US Nuclear submarines is if they need to loiter indefinetely. Therefore the only possible conclusion you can come to is US is planning a future blockade of China. So China has to close the sea gaps in their defenses, so the US doesn't get free reign in this scenario
I do hope they don't blockade China until after Christmas, I'll be annoyed of my random bits don't arrive.
 
I do hope they don't blockade China until after Christmas, I'll be annoyed of my random bits don't arrive.
Everything's moving to Vietnam and India so you don't really need to worry.

Also lol at China's military. Their subs get caught in their own nets and their carriers are afraid to sail.

 
You know, I'm starting to think China is a big soppy vagina. It can't even find the testosterone to conquer Taiwan when the US president is a mindless undead thing and 75% of the US military's officer corps are pozloaded furries (95% of those ranked OF-6 and above). I mean come on Xinnie do you think your chances are gonna get better when the God-Emperor is back in 14 months?
 
You know, I'm starting to think China is a big soppy vagina. It can't even find the testosterone to conquer Taiwan when the US president is a mindless undead thing and 75% of the US military's officer corps are pozloaded furries (95% of those ranked OF-6 and above). I mean come on Xinnie do you think your chances are gonna get better when the God-Emperor is back in 14 months?

Why waste resources when the US debt is 33 trillion. The US bond market is faltering, and China is diversifying it's currencies. It not a matter of if the US will unable to maintain the interest debt payments on their empire, it's when they will default. The US economy is almost running on pure number fudging and corruption now.
 
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