Business Leaked guidelines reveal more details about Amazon's controversial 'voluntary resignation' program for remote workers - Amazon is forcing employees to relocate to central "hub" offices.

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Leaked guidelines reveal more details about Amazon's controversial 'voluntary resignation' program for remote workers​

Eugene Kim
Jul 28, 2023, 2:00 AM PDT

  • Amazon shared an internal guideline for some managers to use when discussing the new RTO policy.
  • Amazon is forcing employees to relocate to central "hub" offices.
  • Those who refuse to relocate can be considered a "voluntary resignation" under the new policy.
Amazon recently rolled out a so-called "return-to-hub" policy that forces employees to work out of centrally assigned office locations, called hubs.

Those going into an office nearest to their current city now have to relocate, seek a team change or special approval to stay put — otherwise, they have to leave under a "voluntary resignation" program, as Insider first reported.

Insider obtained an internal guide that Amazon shared this week with some managers to help them discuss the policy with staff. The 10-page document, prepared for a specific group within the company, sheds more light on this campaign and how it could play out in coming months.

This "Employee Conversation" guideline suggests that Amazon expects its new return-to-office policy to face initial resistance from employees. It also reveals how the company wants to communicate the sudden change.

"It is important to note that we do not necessarily expect the employee to make a decision in the initial conversation with you," the document states.

In an email to Insider, Amazon's spokesperson, Brad Glasser, said there's "more energy, collaboration, and connections happening since we've been working together at least three days per week."

"We continue to look at the best ways to bring more teams together in the same locations, and we'll communicate directly with employees as we make decisions that affect them," he added.

Here are some of the key points from the guidelines:

  • Those deemed to have voluntarily resigned will get no severance.
  • Employees who get approval to stay in their current location will still have to come into an office 3 times a week. That could apply even if the rest of the employee's team is in other cities.
  • Amazon managers should have "empathy and positive intent" when having these difficult conversations with their staff.
The goal of the new hub policy is to encourage more in-person work. After Amazon rolled out a 3-times a week office attendance policy in February, many employees questioned its effectiveness because in many cases their team members still worked in other locations. It was particularly confusing for those hired as virtual or who moved to remote locations during the pandemic. Just last year, Amazon said it didn't plan on forcing people back to the office, while it would continue "experimenting, learning, and adjusting for a while."

Three options​

According to the internal guidelines, those unwilling to relocate near the hubs get three options. These apply to US-based employees, and those outside the country will have to follow local rules and timelines, it said.

First, they can get a special "co-location exception" approved by a director and HR partner. Those approved will still need to come into the office 3 times a week, regardless of where the rest of the team is.

Secondly, they can find a new team within 60 days that accommodates their needs. Some employees in good standing may get up to 6 months to find a new team.

The final option is to leave the company without severance. "This will be considered voluntary resignation," the document stated. "If they are not interested in relocating, the alternative is to leave the company."

Special exceptions​

On a case-by-case basis, Amazon will give a "Remote Work Exception" that doesn't require an employee to come into the office at least 3 times a week, according to the guideline for managers.

It also has a "Field by Design" role for jobs that require visits to customer locations or other Amazon buildings a minimum of three times a week.

Jobs that can be done remotely, like customer service or ad sales, can be assigned "Remote by Design," and won't need to come into the office as much.

All three designations require approval from Amazon's S-team, a group of just over two dozen top executives. Amazon has about 300,000 corporate employees.

'Be prepared'​

Perhaps in anticipation of sharp resistance from employees, the guidelines provide Amazon managers with several talking points and best-practice examples to follow.

It says managers should "lead with empathy and positive intent" throughout the employee conversation. They should also "be prepared" to explain the team's strategy and share options for the employee if they are "not aligned with the approved locations."

Managers should also "practice what you want to say ahead of time" and "be direct and clear, and also empathetic and compassionate."

If the employee threatens legal action, managers must notify HR and legal teams.

"Remember, the employee may be surprised by the proposed location, so it is normal to have to repeat information," the document advises.

Q&A templates​

The guidelines come with 15 potential Q&A templates.

One of the questions is how to respond if an employee keeps asking why they need to relocate. The suggested answer is: "We are working to bring our teams together in the office and feel that this is the best location to support your ongoing growth and development, and the ability to deliver for our customers. These decisions are not taken lightly and we don't underestimate how much they might affect those who will need to re-locate."

It also tells managers to keep individual employee situations confidential. If an employee asks why someone else may have a remote work exemption, managers are to say "personal circumstances are confidential."

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It also tells managers to keep individual employee situations confidential. If an employee asks why someone else may have a remote work exemption, managers are to say "personal circumstances are confidential."
Unless there's confidentiality in law for manager employee communication, Amazon will just tell the manager to tell them everything or "voluntarily resign". I'd just assume everything I say will be shared up the company chain. Amazon also has tons of surveillance and I wouldn't doubt they record all calls.
"We are working to bring our teams together in the office and feel that this is the best location to support your ongoing growth and development, and the ability to deliver for our customers. These decisions are not taken lightly and we don't underestimate how much they might affect those who will need to re-locate."
What does it have to do with someone's growth and development. Its just employment. You're picking up and moving and telling me its the right move for me. Insane. "These decisions are not taken lightly" means nothing. Executives don't care, as policy. "We don't underestimate how much they might affect those who will need to relocate." is void. It sounds compassionate but it robotically cold.
Amazon managers should have "empathy and positive intent" when having these difficult conversations with their staff.
Difficult for management, dealing with people.
Those deemed to have voluntarily resigned will get no severance.
Suspiciously absent is the option where they give severance. I hate Amazon so much.
 
I am confused because I don't know the employment law in the US.

Can you just change the term of a contract (something substantial, like geographical location) and consider it to be a voluntary resignation if they disagree?

You would get slaughtered for even trying to do this in the EU.

I understand these guys are probably not the most valuable/hard to find, but still. You would imagine the long term ones would have some level of job security.
 
I am confused because I don't know the employment law in the US.

Can you just change the term of a contract (something substantial, like geographical location) and consider it to be a voluntary resignation if they disagree?

You would get slaughtered for even trying to do this in the EU.

I understand these guys are probably not the most valuable/hard to find, but still. You would imagine the long term ones would have some level of job security.
not sure what was in their contract. the last job i worked was remote but they attempted to make us go into office. there wasnt anything in the employment contract i signed with them which stipulated location and remote vs in office. im guessing the amazon contracts also dont say anything about it. i cant imagine amazon making that a contract thing where you are bound to a particular location/working style.

as for being the most valuable, well if any of these jobs are the amazon web service programmers and maintainers then they kind of arnt the most replaceable. amazon is known for having a tough interview process for those jobs. so these wouldnt be the kind of jobs were you would want to be trying to recruit a bunch of new people all at once.
 
It's not about productivity, it's about showing you how much they can fuck with you.
The management wants you to know that you're their dog, so you have to come when you're called and stay in the kennel until they let you out.

Can you just change the term of a contract (something substantial, like geographical location) and consider it to be a voluntary resignation if they disagree?
Yes, because there's this thing called "at-will employment" which means you can be fired at any time, for any reason. There is no legal requirement to prove "just cause" to fire anyone unless that person is a member of a protected class, and even then you have to prove you were fired because you're a member of that protected class.
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Montana is the only exception. If you can make it 6 months in a job in Montana your boss has to prove he fired you for a reason.
 
Suspiciously absent is the option where they give severance. I hate Amazon so much.
I'm not sure who their general counsel is, but they're going to be looking for a new job pretty quickly. If there's one thing States don't fuck around with, it's megacorporations fucking with their residents.

This is quite brazen, even for them.
Yes, because there's this thing called "at-will employment" which means you can be fired at any time, for any reason. There is no legal requirement to prove "just cause" to fire anyone unless that person is a member of a protected class, and even then you have to prove you were fired because you're a member of that protected class.
A common misunderstanding. That would be the case if there was no employment contract, but companies like Amazon don't hire without contracts. 8 weeks + 4 per year of service is standard.

If these were no-contract positions, they wouldn't bother with this "voluntary resignation" nonsense; they'd just lay them off. They're doing this specifically to avoid having to lay them off and pay severance, and they're framing it this way because if they fired for cause (insubordination) they'd have way more lawsuits on their hands. They're hoping some percentage of people will just accept the situation, but I see a class action in their future.
 
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Can you just change the term of a contract (something substantial, like geographical location) and consider it to be a voluntary resignation if they disagree?
No, you cannot retroactively and unilaterally change a contract after it was signed, that's a major no-no across the board - you can enshrine such egregious crap in a new contract, but unless the other party accepts those changes the existing one legally stands.

Already brought up by others, but Amazon is likely banking on those affected not pursuing them in court because they're ignorant of their state's labour laws. Someone will take this to a lawyer though and then it'll be interesting seeing how much Amazon pays out because no judge or jury will put up with such flagrant thumbing at established labour law.
 
The management wants you to know that you're their dog, so you have to come when you're called and stay in the kennel until they let you out.


Yes, because there's this thing called "at-will employment" which means you can be fired at any time, for any reason. There is no legal requirement to prove "just cause" to fire anyone unless that person is a member of a protected class, and even then you have to prove you were fired because you're a member of that protected class.
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Montana is the only exception. If you can make it 6 months in a job in Montana your boss has to prove he fired you for a reason.
Corporate dystopia.
 
"Remember, the employee may be surprised by the proposed location, so it is normal to have to repeat information," the document advises
I thought this was also pretty slimy. It reads like they are going to propose these employees go to offices that wouldn’t even be in their area. They keep saying they want them to go to “hubs.”

“I know the office is 6 hours away in another state but you could just voluntarily resign

Edit: Reading through this again it’s absolutely Amazon trying to do massive layoffs without providing what they are legally bound to provide for layoffs. And even worse, by calling it “voluntary resignation” these people wouldn’t be eligible for unemployment insurance or COBRA. They are just telling people to fuck off and starve.
 
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Somehow I doubt labor laws will see it quite that way. This sounds amazon trying to manipulate their way into not paying severance and EI for firing people
Exactly. And they're relying on ignorance and/or guilt to harass people into accepting that it has to be this way. If you reply to an email saying "fine, I'm not coming into the office, call it whatever you want" - they will use that to defend it as "Look he said fine he accepted it as a voluntary resignation" to a court. And they won't even have to go that far, as most people won't even be aware they can oppose it.

Your average person is incredibly ignorant to their own rights, and overworked Amazon wagies are already not the cream of the intellectual crop, otherwise they'd have moved on already.
 
Amazons known to be a shit employer in the industry.

They are pulling this so they don't have to pay unemployment tax. You can't file for unemployment if you voluntarily resign. They are hoping to bully as many beta males into eating the shit they are shoveling. FYI the most chad thing you can do is to bs a mental stress note from a health care provider and use to to initiate FMLA, and use that time to job search.

The usual process to fire an employee at Amazon is their version of performance improvement plan called pivot. Most pip are just a way to document for a termination. The pipes are given the option to take a payout, or go on pivot for a period of time after which their performance will be evaluated based on impossible goals. They are skipping the pip process altogether with this and trying to get voluntary resignation. This is kinda unexplored territory that Amazon would try large-scale firings without documentation.

Amazon has no problem firing people, infact they mandate it. Amazon has a "unregrettable attrition goal". I think something like half of employees don't last one year. The culture at Amazon is all about backstabbing. Managers have been known to hire to fire just to meet ura goals. Managers at Amazon are broken goods who can never outgrow the Amazon mindset and fuck up whatever company they join in the future.

Many states specifically state you can't resign employees by changing their location of work. Every employement contract I've seen for remote work specifically state the employee works remotely. They know you can't legally withhold unemployment due to rto policies, they are just hoping people accept it.

It's just Amazon being Amazon
 
Suspiciously absent is the option where they give severance. I hate Amazon so much.
Only C-Levels and people who voluntarily resign with blackmail get severance. And with it being considered a voluntary resignation; you won't be applicable for unemployment, because "you left willingly." Just man the fuck up and fire people Amazon; most people may think you're trying to soften the blow, but the fact is, quitting/voluntary leaving is a jewish bitch level move.
 
My sympathy depends on where in Amazon they are. If it's AWS folk then that sucks, also it's retarded because these are skilled employees.
If it's the veritable ocean of HR drones overseeing Amazon warehouse/delivery operations and mandating shit like African pride week and pronoun pins in your local Prime depot instead of shifting goods around then fuck them, they are literal parasites.

Remember when The Amazon Seattle office held a demonstration about returning to the office during their lunch hour? Those nuggets. These are the people who mandate minimum troon requirements. Fuck them, I just want my Barry White CD in 6 hours.
 
Somehow I doubt labor laws will see it quite that way. This sounds amazon trying to manipulate their way into not paying severance and EI for firing people
It isn't unheard of, at least to me. During covid my job threatened anyone who didn't give up their private information about vaccination status with automatic "voluntary resignation". It came real close to me testing them on that. The "you volunteered to quit, we didn't fire you" thing got my blood boiling more than the "fuck you, do what we tell you" thing.

I think the point is not that they're confidnet they are legally entitled to do it but rather that the company is laying out up front that they're gonna screw you over and if you try to fight, they'll fight back even harder. So even if you ultimately win, you still lose.
 
What choice do these tards have? The AWS SWEs won't find a job with their current salary in Chattanooga and the DEIs won't find a job anywhere else. Every major tech company is calling people back into the office, not that it matters because they are laying people off. There is too much pressure from local politicians, real estate developers, and LinkedIn influencers.
 
SWEs won't find a job with their current salary in Chattanooga
Frankly, if they're intelligent, they'll take a lower salary as long as they live somewhere with a lower cost of living.

Every major tech company is calling people back into the office, not that it matters because they are laying people off.
This is the key: they're trying to lay people off without actually laying them off. Plenty of companies exist that are doing well and still keeping people fully remote. These giant tech companies are shitholes, and nobody should work there, Twitter included, no matter how "cool" Elon Musk may seem. Amazon is especially bad, as @sadrefrigerator explained up above.
 
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