🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Bibbity Bobbity]

I wonder if the normal functioning siblings of children with fatal recessive genetic disorders ever feel survivor's guilt. They were so close to inheriting both bad genes...

Late, but this is sorta me. It's a 50/50 crapshoot to inherit the mutated BRCA gene. My late sibling had it, I do not. Their death at an early age destroyed the parent who contributed the gene.

It's not survivor's guilt, more like existential angst. Why did the dice roll this way? The mutation was there since conception. Like Harry, I feel like the spare.

Anyways, my ancestral country allowed, probably encouraged, cousin marriage, which is BAD for genetics.

 

[Android raptor]

Isn't cousin marriage practiced for more or less the same reason royals inbred i.e. keep wealth and shit in the same family? Especially when you have cultures that still have dowries.

With the Amish and Jewish communities isn't it moreso founders syndrome, where everyone is decended from a relatively small group of people? Same thing with the population of Iceland.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Isn't cousin marriage practiced for more or less the same reason royals inbred i.e. keep wealth and shit in the same family? Especially when you have cultures that still have dowries.

With the Amish and Jewish communities isn't it moreso founders syndrome, where everyone is decended from a relatively small group of people? Same thing with the population of Iceland.

Legit, genetics is really fascinating to me. Not how it’s inherited cuz it’s either dominant or recessive or de novo, but how missing an enzyme, having an extra chromosome, missing ones, translocations etc all screw up your body in major ways.

Take Tay Sachs. It’s the result of missing an enzyme so it causes gangliosides (fatty substance) to build up, destroying nerve cells and causing neuro-degeneration.

Amish, I’d say yes to that. Ashkenazis, also yes. They are all fourth and fifth cousins. Diversifying the gene pool is best. De novo mutations of things will always exist.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I find inbreeding, especially in "royalty" terms fascinating because it seems to go agiasnt common sense from an evolutionary point of view.

One time in 4th Grade I claimed to a playground duty that Ancient Egyptian royalty died out bc they married their cousins. Then the bitch was so mean and passive aggressive to me, bc (unknown to me) she was married to her 2nd cousin and had 2 kids with dwarfism. My mom had to call the school to tell her to back off.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

One time in 4th Grade I claimed to a playground duty that Ancient Egyptian royalty died out bc they married their cousins. Then the bitch was so mean and passive aggressive to me, bc (unknown to me) she was married to her 2nd cousin and had 2 kids with dwarfism. My mom had to call the school to tell her to back off.

Pharaohs were considered gods so it was encouraged to marry family members.

 

[Bibbity Bobbity]

Isn't cousin marriage practiced for more or less the same reason royals inbred i.e. keep wealth and shit in the same family? Especially when you have cultures that still have dowries.

IMO, yes. You know the family, they've been vetted, you have common land. Also, IMO opinion, this is an advantage for a Levirate marriage (where the husband dies, the younger available brother is brought in). The family has been cleared, so have at it!

I went to a genealogy seminar where the speaker described finding a Jewish marriage certificate where EVERYONE in attendance had the same last name- bride, groom, rabbi, witnesses.

On my inbred, mutated side, my great-great grandmother had the same maiden and married name. From a town of 500 people. You can't convince me there were two unrelated families.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

On my inbred, mutated side, my great-great grandmother had the same maiden and married name. From a town of 500 people. You can't convince me there were two unrelated families.

Lol, that sounds like little Acadian fishing villages in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

 

[booklover]

Late, but this is sorta me. It's a 50/50 crapshoot to inherit the mutated BRCA gene. My late sibling had it, I do not. Their death at an early age destroyed the parent who contributed the gene.

It's not survivor's guilt, more like existential angst. Why did the dice roll this way? The mutation was there since conception. Like Harry, I feel like the spare.

Anyways, my ancestral country allowed, probably encouraged, cousin marriage, which is BAD for genetics.

I found out a few years ago that ovarian cancer is very common in one branch of my family tree. My grandmother fortunately did not spring from that exact branch.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Nah, though family members who make their disabled kids constantly miserable and overstimulated should be euthananised.

Or... Hear me out...

People could learn to love and value every child, because every child is a gift and a chance to become something better.

And every person who has been failed could choose forgiveness for their own sake (which doesn't exclude going no-contact with those we've forgiven), and try to grow rather than being diminished by the cruelty and failures of others.

 

[Android raptor]

Or... Hear me out...

People could learn to love and value every child, because every child is a gift and a chance to become something better.

And every person who has been failed could choose forgiveness for their own sake (which doesn't exclude going no-contact with those we've forgiven), and try to grow rather than being diminished by the cruelty and failures of others.

I think the people responsible for this should be euthananised at least

Absolutely the worst miscarriage of justice in Canada since Karla Homolka.

 

[LonesomeDud]

I think the people responsible for this should be euthananised at least

Absolutely the worst miscarriage of justice in Canada since Karla Homolka.

I know I'm unqualified to judge if someone deserves death, but there are far worse things than death. I have been so fortunate in my life so few bad things have happened to me, when I have seen so many terrible things happen to innocent people. I hope we can all be better, less blind people to the atrocities around us, so that we can save ourselves, in a sense. May God have mercy on all of our souls.

 

[Chandelier]

Isn't cousin marriage practiced for more or less the same reason royals inbred i.e. keep wealth and shit in the same family? Especially when you have cultures that still have dowries.

With the Amish and Jewish communities isn't it moreso founders syndrome, where everyone is decended from a relatively small group of people? Same thing with the population of Iceland.

Ashkenazim as we know it are descended from only 350 individuals around the Middle Ages. This population bottleneck may have contributed to their higher intelligence - from intelligent rabbis marrying the most intelligent women - but it did absolute disasters to their population. Tay Sachs, a whole host of neurodegenerative conditions, and more, all arise from this very small group. Israel has genetic screening tests that have seen Tay Sachs syndrome rates cut in half, and along with some handy eugenics, they have cleaned up their genes rather well (abortion is also legal there, especially in the case of fetal abnormality, they DO NOT WANT that kid born, and will fully admit it. But don't tell Ben Shapiro).

The Church began to recognize inbreeding pretty early on, and so barred the marriage of first and second cousins. Queen Isabella of Castile and Fernando of Aragon were second cousins; they had to prove they were just distant enough to get married. Otherwise, the Church had no issue with third or fourth cousins getting married; today, we know it as the 'Darwinian sweet spot', where there is enough genetic distance for few deformities to occur and they tend to be the most fertile. Cousin marriage was condemned pretty harshly in Europe, and even royal marriages had to have their genealogy checked. Only small towns had higher rates of it, where they were isolated from other groups.

Interestingly enough, certain species of silverback gorillas at risk of extinction have developed a sort of bottleneck protection where they can undergo inbreeding without the major genetic defects. This is only for small populations, though, and these were an isolated group.

 

[AnOminous]

The Church began to recognize inbreeding pretty early on, and so barred the marriage of first and second cousins. Queen Isabella of Castile and Fernando of Aragon were second cousins; they had to prove they were just distant enough to get married.

The problem is while doing this once or twice is okay, doing it for a few hundred years every single time you reproduce gets you this:

Of course they also occasionally threw in stuff like uncle-niece (and Charles II's parents were exactly that).

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I know I'm unqualified to judge if someone deserves death

I support eugenics so I am a lot more open to the idea but I think pretty much everyone can agree with Android than child abusing fucks deserve it.

Israel has genetic screening tests that have seen Tay Sachs syndrome rates cut in half, and along with some handy eugenics, they have cleaned up their genes rather well

This is based. So are hardcore disability activists in Israel as rabidly anti abortion as they are in the US?

(abortion is also legal there, especially in the case of fetal abnormality, they DO NOT WANT that kid born, and will fully admit it. But don't tell Ben Shapiro).

He's such an Amerilard. I wonder if he keeps up the anti abortion sperging to other Jews, regular people who care about the genetic health of their kin.
I'm pretty sure Ben is wearing eyebrow makeup at 2:00:

 

[LonesomeDud]

I support eugenics so I am a lot more open to the idea but I think pretty much everyone can agree with Android than child abusing fucks deserve it.

I believe in temperance in all things, and death as a solution as rarely as possible. I don't know that child abusers as a whole deserve death or that killing them would bring us any closer to salvation as a society.

Things like mercy and justice are pretty nuanced and I want whoever makes the judgment to be a wise and fair person, even if I'm biased and unqualified.

 

[Android raptor]

Aren't even pretty conservative Jews usually ok with abortion, at least in the case of severe/lethal fetal anomaly? Barring shit like Kiryas Joel that's basically the Judaism equivalent of the FLDS.

 

[Bibbity Bobbity]

Aren't even pretty conservative Jews usually ok with abortion, at least in the case of severe/lethal fetal anomaly?

In general, for Jews, life begins at birth.

Most large cities have a pre-pregnancy screening program for Jewish linked diseases.

After genetic testing became available, there were rabbis who wouldn't marry two carriers, or two people where there was TS in family history. One in 4 babies of two carriers would have TS.

But the other reason there's few TS babies is acceptance of abortion for an incurable disease. Also increasing rates of outmarriage.

 

[Trombonista]

Aren't even pretty conservative Jews usually ok with abortion, at least in the case of severe/lethal fetal anomaly? Barring shit like Kiryas Joel that's basically the Judaism equivalent of the FLDS.

There's no consensus in Judaism on abortion, but most Jews support it in that case or to preserve the life of the mother.

 

[GenociderSyo]

So seems Paisley went in for a trach/esophagus check under anesthesia (particulary dangerous for dwarfs) to see if she would need degrannulation. She did not at this time. She then became quite poorly. They have stated she's turned the bend and though still under the weather she got through the worst of whatever it was.

Also new SBSK. These two can be seperated, but the mother does not want it.

There are multiple conjoined twins like them that got seperated one is very vocal on IG and though they each require a prostethic leg they find their lives much better. They were seperated at 9 months with the same type of conjoinedness.

 

[booklover]

All conjoined twins are different. The girls on the bottom, who each have one leg, probably had separate pelvic organs. Callie and Carter, the girls in the top link, do not, and separating them would probably kill them, and leave them severely disabled if it didn't. One girl has a significant hearing loss, but other than that, they are very healthy and attend a regular school.