🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[GenociderSyo]

It is different in the types though they both are ischeopathic having same fusion from pevlis downward which effects the same organs though it can be different to which degree.

The herrins only had one working kidney though so one of them has had transplant and is on medication for life. It also is possible to reonfigure the bladder it has been done in other cases of separation. They also are technically severely disabled either way. The parents in the interview do say they were told seperate was possible but they did not understand how they would do internal seperation so instead of educating themselves they decided not to even look into it.

 

[Chandelier]

This is based. So are hardcore disability activists in Israel as rabidly anti abortion as they are in the US?

It's usually only ever found in the US. There was a documentary on abortion in Scandinavia and how they had nearly eliminated Down Syndrome. I think it was mentioned earlier ITT. This girl from America who had Down's was pimped by her mother to be an activist to convince Europe to stop aborting Down babies. It was bizarre.

It isn't just medical costs, it's the culture. Certain states like Arizona bar them on the basis of genetic conditions like Downs.

Aren't even pretty conservative Jews usually ok with abortion, at least in the case of severe/lethal fetal anomaly? Barring shit like Kiryas Joel that's basically the Judaism equivalent of the FLDS.

Yes. Unless you're Ultra Orthodox/Haredim. They don't even like contraception.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

It's usually only ever found in the US. There was a documentary on abortion in Scandinavia and how they had nearly eliminated Down Syndrome. I think it was mentioned earlier ITT. This girl from America who had Down's was pimped by her mother to be an activist to convince Europe to stop aborting Down babies. It was bizarre.

It isn't just medical costs, it's the culture. Certain states like Arizona bar them on the basis of genetic conditions like Downs.

Yes. Unless you're Ultra Orthodox/Haredim. They don't even like contraception.

Iceland DS rates are very very low due to abortion. I can’t say if that’s a good thing or bad, my experience with DS is in relation to dementia and they all have the tau tangles, with 80 percent of them getting the disease.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Iceland DS rates are very very low due to abortion. I can’t say if that’s a good thing or bad,

It's good. It should be the case everywhere. There's no point in birthing a baby with a condition that can be detected in the womb and rob them of a life free of dementia and an independent life. People shouldn't be supported by their public health systems if they choose to have a DS child, they should privately.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

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late af and this has probably been pointed out before but notice how the icon is her, and not her kid. that says everything.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

It's good. It should be the case everywhere. There's no point in birthing a baby with a condition that can be detected in the womb and rob them of a life free of dementia and an independent life. People shouldn't be supported by their public health systems if they choose to have a DS child, they should privately.

I actually looked up what goes on in Iceland and it really isn’t so bad. I’m pro choice and all and initially thought Iceland was doing a eugenics kind of thing, but it’s more like counseling and no pressure to terminate.

Basically you have to talk to a social worker, then you can meet with drs and nurses who work with the DS population and talk with them of you wish and at any point you can back out of it. I gotta admit that it sounds a lot better than what I was thinking.

It wouldn’t work here in America because of our politics. Supreme Court overturned Roe V Wade and even if you do terminate like in the case of a fatal prognosis and it’s past whatever length the law allows for, it comes at your expense and it isn’t cheap.

 

[LonesomeDud]

People shouldn't be supported by their public health systems

I would argue it is one of the very few necessary functions of government in the modern age.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

I would argue it is one of the very few necessary functions of government in the modern age.

Yeah, like wtf do you do if you’re disabled because of a freak accident? Or if you have some condition ultrasound didn’t pick up prenatal? Newborn screenings don’t cover Marfans, MMA, fragile x, etc. where’s the line drawn?

 

[LonesomeDud]

Yeah, like wtf do you do if you’re disabled because of a freak accident? Or if you have some condition ultrasound didn’t pick up prenatal? Newborn screenings don’t cover Marfans, MMA, fragile x, etc. where’s the line drawn?

Also, just because your parents made harmful choices doesn't mean you don't deserve medical care, food, and shelter. Draconian attitudes towards the poor are in part what made the pendulum swing too far the other way.

 

[Android raptor]

Unfortunately, draconian attitudes towards the poor are still the norm in a good chunk of the US. Disabled people, like other marginalized groups, are disproportionately affected.

There's a reason why so much of the homeless population has mental illnesses or disabilities.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Unfortunately, draconian attitudes towards the poor are still the norm in a good chunk of the US. Disabled people, like other marginalized groups, are disproportionately affected.

There's a reason why so much of the homeless population has mental illnesses or disabilities.

There are a few reasons, but it certainly is a big one.

Enabling and cruelty to the mentally ill, disabled, and poor are different sides of the same coin.

 

[74164978231]

Also, just because your parents made harmful choices doesn't mean you don't deserve medical care, food, and shelter. Draconian attitudes towards the poor are in part what made the pendulum swing too far the other way.

In the grand scheme of things the math doesnt add up with the cost it takes to give ethical, 21st century care to most disabled people. You will spend hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars on someone who will never be remotely productive in their lives. Its a huge reason why our medical system at least in the US is imploding.

100+ years ago this problem simply did not exist. If you where born with down syndrome you died relatively fast.

 

[Dysnomia]

In the grand scheme of things the math doesnt add up with the cost it takes to give ethical, 21st century care to most disabled people. You will spend hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars on someone who will never be remotely productive in their lives. Its a huge reason why our medical system at least in the US is imploding.

100+ years ago this problem simply did not exist. If you where born with down syndrome you died relatively fast.

I agree it's a total waste to waste money on a non-sentient potato. They should just receive comfort care as that's the most humane thing to do unless you want to go down the euthanasia road.

The resources going towards potatoes can then be redirected towards people who have a chance at some quality of life.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Looks like Paisley had a bad seizure (she stops breathing during them) and still is not recovered.

 

[Skullshatterer]

Everyday Paisley is closer to sweet release

Now about the twins, it's really, really sad that their mom and dad are ignorant and are not willing to even do their research for the benefit of their daughters. I hate parents like that. They should never procreate.

 

[Android raptor]

In the grand scheme of things the math doesnt add up with the cost it takes to give ethical, 21st century care to most disabled people. You will spend hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars on someone who will never be remotely productive in their lives. Its a huge reason why our medical system at least in the US is imploding.

Better than spending it on blowing up brown kids tbh

Keeping potatoes and literal brain-dead corpses on life support is a waste tho. Kids with terminal illnesses who are suffering also shouldn't have their suffering prolonged unnecessarily.

 

[ShadowCass]

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Gee I don’t know - maybe her parents could help her by following her health care professionals’ suggested o2 levels? Maybe - just maybe - that would be a good place to start?

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Better than spending it on blowing up brown kids tbh

Keeping potatoes and literal brain-dead corpses on life support is a waste tho. Kids with terminal illnesses who are suffering also shouldn't have their suffering prolonged unnecessarily.

you should watch A Lion In The House. Maybe your attitude will change. It shows several kids with terminal cancer. Only in one case was a kids life “prolonged” and the family kicked themselves for it. But the child wasn’t little, he was 19 and thus capable of making his own medical decisions until he couldn’t anymore. The other kids were younger. One kid died alone because his mother couldn’t be assed to deal with the reality of the situation. The hospital staff were pretty mad about it even.

It’s easy to say “well x and y don’t deserve to live” when you’re not the one in that situation. I’m all for palliative care and hospice, and all I did for four years was take care of terminally ill patients and I loved being able to at least make their last years fun. But I still feel decisions should be left up to the family. Like Luna, she was a birth injury situation and she should be in hospice but it isn’t our call, it’s Robyn’s. And that is maybe a selfish decision on her part, but it’s still hers to make. We shouldn’t let the govt decide that stuff. Medical decisions should be made by a patient and their family and doctors, not insurance companies or anyone else.

(And in the case of Gwen…the dr did say the girls wouldn’t live very long and tried to be reasonable so there’s that).

Look at Roe v Wade now. The govt decided to make medical decisions for women and now those women who do have fetuses who are terminal are sol. Or women who find out they are pregnant while also having cancer. It’s messed up.

 

[74164978231]

But I still feel decisions should be left up to the family. Like Luna, she was a birth injury situation and she should be in hospice but it isn’t our call, it’s Robyn’s. And that is maybe a selfish decision on her part, but it’s still hers to make. We shouldn’t let the govt decide that stuff. Medical decisions should be made by a patient and their family and doctors, not insurance companies or anyone else.

Except its society thats picking up the tab for basically every one of these people. Either through medical insurance or more likely through medicaid aka welfare.

Look at Roe v Wade now. The govt decided to make medical decisions for women and now those women who do have fetuses who are terminal are sol. Or women who find out they are pregnant while also having cancer. It’s messed up.

I agree its pretty shitty of Republicans to more or less try and outright ban abortion as much as possible. Zero reason why a woman should ever have to carry a nonviable or severely complicated child.

Better than spending it on blowing up brown kids tbh

The healthcare industry is 1/6 or 1/5 of the US economy iirc and military spending is less than we spend on welfare. You wont get much by using those bombs for browns funds on this.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Except its society thats picking up the tab for basically every one of these people. Either through medical insurance or more likely through medicaid aka welfare.

That’s true. I don’t deny it’s not expensive. It’s certainly a complicated issue. I mean, I would have no issue doing the right thing if my kid had no quality of life but maybe there is a compromise somewhere.

With prenatal screenings and newborn screenings and with crispr and gene therapy, we will probably be seeing less awful things in the future.

And let me tell you, it isn’t the just potato babies that are a burden. Alzheimer’s is effing expensive. Do you know Aduhelm is the reason Medicare premiums went up a lot? That mediation is like what 20k a year for virtually no payoff? Then there’s the 24/7 care and all that stuff.

I know this is the tard thread so the focus is on that, but my point is adults can be just as expensive to take care of medically. Tard babies like Paisley, Luna etc aren’t going to live a normal lifespan anyways so they won't be on the dole forever so at least there’s that.