(07/29/2022) - New Chris Jail Letter - Barb is described as being "zombie-like" and like a "scared deer in a headlight", Chris shit talks jail staff, Chris adamant about the fundraiser

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Unless Null wanted to cooperate for whatever reason, the process for international service and enforcement of a subpoena is arcane and involves the filing of something called letters rogatory. It's pretty unlikely this will happen when Null knows very little if anything that's actually relevant to the case, since Chris mostly lied to him anyway.

It would be a significant chunk of change to a small rural jurisdiction that can't even afford an actual public defender department.

The only way I could see them even thinking of trying to get someone outside the US to come it would have to be a serious crime, especially for a tiny location like Ruckersville.

 

[Cockadoodle85]

She has some level of age related cognitive decline, and that means she's now completely unable to consent to sex? I'm going to have to give you some very disturbing news about old people: they still frequently screw, totally willingly. Disgusting, I know. And she wasn't faking dementia, she was massively playing it up.

I mean, she's ok to live by herself and have an active drivers license, but not quite enough to say "Keep your dick away from me"? Or is this just a very selective form of dementia that gets really really bad when she's forced to make extremely simple judgement calls? How do you suppose that works? Very peculiar.

And Chris would claim the exact opposite of everything he's saying if it meant he had a chance of going back to the status quo. Why are we supposed to believe him now? Because this is the option the A-logs desperately want to believe? Chris' word is absolutely worthless.

The reason Chris got arrested is because this is just how law enforcement works in domestic disputes. This is bumfuck Virginia, obviously they're going to charge the middle aged guy and not the old lady. That doesn't mean she can't consent, it just means they think the situation is degenerate and someone had to get nailed for it, so obviously it'll be Chris.

And, even if we pretended this was actually rape, A) she made chris what he is today, B) she's had unacceptable boundaries with him for years training him to see her this way, and C) the whole family is a blight, and the option that costs way, WAY less money is to just let them do whatever so long as it stays away from the public.

This literally nothing except dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money down the drain in a situation the government and public had no need to be involved in, and would never have been involved in had Chris shut his mouth about it.

Stop whiteknighting idiot

 

[NynchLiggers]

She has some level of age related cognitive decline, and that means she's now completely unable to consent to sex? I'm going to have to give you some very disturbing news about old people: they still frequently screw, totally willingly. Disgusting, I know. And she wasn't faking dementia, she was massively playing it up.

I mean, she's ok to live by herself and have an active drivers license, but not quite enough to say "Keep your dick away from me"? Or is this just a very selective form of dementia that gets really really bad when she's forced to make extremely simple judgement calls? How do you suppose that works? Very peculiar.

And Chris would claim the exact opposite of everything he's saying if it meant he had a chance of going back to the status quo. Why are we supposed to believe him now? Because this is the option the A-logs desperately want to believe? Chris' word is absolutely worthless.

The reason Chris got arrested is because this is just how law enforcement works in domestic disputes. This is bumfuck Virginia, obviously they're going to charge the middle aged guy and not the old lady. That doesn't mean she can't consent, it just means they think the situation is degenerate and someone had to get nailed for it, so obviously it'll be Chris.

And, even if we pretended this was actually rape, A) she made chris what he is today, B) she's had unacceptable boundaries with him for years training him to see her this way, and C) the whole family is a blight, and the option that costs way, WAY less money is to just let them do whatever so long as it stays away from the public.

This literally nothing except dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money down the drain in a situation the government and public had no need to be involved in, and would never have been involved in had Chris shut his mouth about it.

Chris will fuck anything that his demented mind thinks he will get a way with even if he knows it's wrong. If it was a kid instead of Borb he would do it regardless.
In short, Eid sirhC Eid!

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Chris will fuck anything that his demented mind thinks he will get a way with even if he knows it's wrong. If it was a kid instead of Borb he would do it regardless.
In short, Eid sirhC Eid!

This is my worry about him going to a group home. If he's put in with tard-ettes he will absolutely try to molest them. Hopefully he'll either be put in with other men or the wranglers will put a stop to it.

 

[Clownery]

Hopefully he'll either be put in with other men or the wranglers will put a stop to it.

Dont forget chris also thinks hes gay now. i wouldnt put it passed him to "soul bond" with a guy

 

[D is for Stupid]

Funny thing Chris seems to be honest about Barbs condition.... which makes it more disgusting that he fucked her.

I don't think Caden is talking to barb at all., he's been making money with little effort so why even have the thought of putting himself in legal risk?
Pretty much the same reason he hasn't contacted Helena or Kengle, he doesn't want to give up on this gravy train.
He is enabling the fuck out of Chris of course but he needs the "art" to keep enjoying the free ride. He'll just keep telling Chris all the sweet nothings he wants to hear.

And if that kickstarter/gofundme pops up anywhere, it's going down pretty quick on how controversial it's going to be.

Edit: ebegging campaign name mix up

 

[King Kiwi]

She has some level of age related cognitive decline, and that means she's now completely unable to consent to sex? I'm going to have to give you some very disturbing news about old people: they still frequently screw, totally willingly. Disgusting, I know. And she wasn't faking dementia, she was massively playing it up.

I mean, she's ok to live by herself and have an active drivers license, but not quite enough to say "Keep your dick away from me"? Or is this just a very selective form of dementia that gets really really bad when she's forced to make extremely simple judgement calls? How do you suppose that works? Very peculiar.

And Chris would claim the exact opposite of everything he's saying if it meant he had a chance of going back to the status quo. Why are we supposed to believe him now? Because this is the option the A-logs desperately want to believe? Chris' word is absolutely worthless.

The reason Chris got arrested is because this is just how law enforcement works in domestic disputes. This is bumfuck Virginia, obviously they're going to charge the middle aged guy and not the old lady. That doesn't mean she can't consent, it just means they think the situation is degenerate and someone had to get nailed for it, so obviously it'll be Chris.

And, even if we pretended this was actually rape, A) she made chris what he is today, B) she's had unacceptable boundaries with him for years training him to see her this way, and C) the whole family is a blight, and the option that costs way, WAY less money is to just let them do whatever so long as it stays away from the public.

This literally nothing except dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money down the drain in a situation the government and public had no need to be involved in, and would never have been involved in had Chris shut his mouth about it.

I've got some very disturbing news for you:

Spoiler

No one likes penguins.

 

[Whaler]

She has some level of age related cognitive decline, and that means she's now completely unable to consent to sex? I'm going to have to give you some very disturbing news about old people: they still frequently screw, totally willingly. Disgusting, I know. And she wasn't faking dementia, she was massively playing it up.

I mean, she's ok to live by herself and have an active drivers license, but not quite enough to say "Keep your dick away from me"? Or is this just a very selective form of dementia that gets really really bad when she's forced to make extremely simple judgement calls? How do you suppose that works? Very peculiar.

And Chris would claim the exact opposite of everything he's saying if it meant he had a chance of going back to the status quo. Why are we supposed to believe him now? Because this is the option the A-logs desperately want to believe? Chris' word is absolutely worthless.

The reason Chris got arrested is because this is just how law enforcement works in domestic disputes. This is bumfuck Virginia, obviously they're going to charge the middle aged guy and not the old lady. That doesn't mean she can't consent, it just means they think the situation is degenerate and someone had to get nailed for it, so obviously it'll be Chris.

And, even if we pretended this was actually rape, A) she made chris what he is today, B) she's had unacceptable boundaries with him for years training him to see her this way, and C) the whole family is a blight, and the option that costs way, WAY less money is to just let them do whatever so long as it stays away from the public.

This literally nothing except dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money down the drain in a situation the government and public had no need to be involved in, and would never have been involved in had Chris shut his mouth about it.

Just because some old people like to fuck, doesn't mean Barb was willing to throw down in the sack with Chris. From his own mouth, Barb said no and stopped him before, it was when her mental decline got low enough that he started going to town on her. It's why he bought a book about it, or so he claims, and that's what really matters.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Just because some old people like to fuck, doesn't mean Barb was willing to throw down in the sack with Chris. From his own mouth, Barb said no and stopped him before, it was when her mental decline got low enough that he started going to town on her. It's why he bought a book about it, or so he claims, and that's what really matters.

That dude's been harping on about that for a while now, he's either trolling or so invested in his version of the narrative that it is equally pointless to argue with him about it.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Imagine Chris with a car.

Oh wait… we don't have to.




What we do know is Chris is not being charged with rape. There has to be a reason for that. I mean if I could charge Chris for rape instead of just incest, I definitely would. I have to assume the prosecution would as well, so something is just not right there.

Rape is very difficult to prove, particularly when the rapist is known to the victim. Add in questions about whether Barb is willing (or able) to cooperate with a rape prosecution, and you have every reason to charge incest vs rape. Prosecutors don't prosecute what they don't think they can win.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Is it possible it was consensual, but they chose to not charge Barb simply because she’s an old lady and it’s a hillbilly crime?

Yes on the old lady part and no on the rest, bc the Chandlers aren't actual hillbillies.

Technically consensual or no, the truth of the matter is that Chris outweighs Barb by a good 200 pounds, probably significant height and strength differential, and is 40 years younger. He is prone to physical, violent outbursts and is not well-regulated. There's a power imbalance on multiple levels there.

Hiwever, going with incest rather than rape, and prosecuting only Chris rather than both of them, scoots you past having to prove physical force (or getting into the murky concept of consent/ coercion, especially with a person in some possible stage of dementia who perhaps cannot or will not be able to provide reliable testimony), while not prosecuting a person is or at least often seems to be quite delicate (physically or psychologically).

 

[King Kiwi]

Yes on the old lady part and no on the rest, bc the Chandlers aren't actual hillbillies.

Technically consensual or no, the truth of the matter is that Chris outweighs Barb by a good 200 pounds, probably significant height and strength differential, and is 40 years younger. He is prone to physical, violent outbursts and is not well-regulated. There's a power imbalance on multiple levels there.

Hiwever, going with incest rather than rape, and prosecuting only Chris rather than both of them, scoots you past having to prove physical force (or getting into the murky concept of consent/ coercion, especially with a person in some possible stage of dementia who perhaps cannot or will not be able to provide reliable testimony), while not prosecuting a person is or at least often seems to be quite delicate (physically or psychologically).

I wonder where their children would be called:

Barbarian Monstro Robert Cole Chandler.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Is it possible it was consensual, but they chose to not charge Barb simply because she’s an old lady and it’s a hillbilly crime?

Absolutely. There's a reason why they chose the shorthand as "Incest with own child" and not something else that would have more of a two-way implication for their database. I would wager with confidence that the majority of cases where someone is charged with incest but not rape only the parent is charged. Even it's 'consensual' between parent and child the state can put two and two together and see that one party is clearly a victim and use their discretion. I think the fact that they stepped in at all also points to the state seeing Barb as a victim. Government agencies have limited resources and, if they were both all there in the head, it would be a very messy situation that a caseworker would want to pretend not to see. Unless it was on tape, it would be very hard to get a conviction if both parties are claiming that nothing happened

 

[A-№1]

Is it possible it was consensual, but they chose to not charge Barb simply because she’s an old lady

Who knows? All we do know is they're not charging Chris for rape, and there has to be some reason for that.

and it’s a hillbilly crime?

I think the point is it's not a hillbilly crime. Up in Appalachia, incest is just another Tuesday night. It's only them uppity city folk down the plains as have problems with lovin yer kin. Cue banjo music.

It's pretty unlikely this will happen when Null knows very little if anything that's actually relevant to the case, since Chris mostly lied to him anyway.

Also whatever Null might contribute to the case could probably be handled by affidavit.

If he's put in with tard-ettes he will absolutely try to molest them.

At this point, any tard home that accepts Chris will be the kind that makes prison look preferable. And it absolutely will NOT be mixed gender.

don't prosecute what they don't think they can win.

IIRC they couldn't pursue rape charges in J&DR court, and everyone seemed pretty eager to handle things there for some reason (until Chris fucked it all up).

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Chris will fuck anything that his demented mind thinks he will get a way with even if he knows it's wrong. If it was a kid instead of Borb he would do it regardless.
In short, Eid sirhC Eid!

Fiona would've fucked him. He was more interested in Bella, but despite all of that he still chose to fuck his mom.
So I dunno.

This is my worry about him going to a group home. If he's put in with tard-ettes he will absolutely try to molest them. Hopefully he'll either be put in with other men or the wranglers will put a stop to it.

To be fair a lot of tards have the sex drive of rabbits given viagra, so it could go either way. I hope they put him in a place where he isn't given the opportunity to be a sex pest. Turn him into a work horse, make him do manual labor until he doesn't have enough energy to be a predator.

 

[NynchLiggers]

Fiona would've fucked him. He was more interested in Bella, but despite all of that he still chose to fuck his mom.
So I dunno.

After years of trolling, he probably thought it was some kind of gayop (It was on the part of Bella) and prefered his mom because he would have a easier time controlling if she freaked out ( or even had the capability to at this point)

 

[Ophelia]

I am genuinely curious what Chris meant by exercising someone, like, did he try the "soul bonding" exorcism or what? If so, I am honestly not surprised he got restrained.

He speaks of it as a hypothetical and we can’t even be sure it’s the event that necessitated The Chair. It’s possible he sperged at a nurse about how someone needed an exorcism and then started chanting gibberish and flailing around when he wasn’t heeded. He probably didn’t start humping some stranger. Probably.

Absolutely. There's a reason why they chose the shorthand as "Incest with own child"

That reason being the title is so long that it’s cut off in the forms. The full title includes exactly what Chris did, according to our resident experts.

 

[ScaliasGhost]

For trial most of them are not very useful, if not irrelevant. Most of them are not confessions, just Chris saying stuff that makes him sound suspicious. It doesn't matter, because they only need one confession, not ten. Two confessions if they're being extra thorough. Trying to go through the trouble of proving the meaning and provenance of each letter is an exercise in diminishing returns. Their efforts and budget would be better spent on other evidence than Chris saying something sus for the umpteenth time.

Have you checked out VA law/ case law regarding stipulations to evidence? Seems a lot of the call/texts could just be stipulated into admission, since the ability of potential witness to lay the proper foundation is pretty much a foregone conclusion. If Chris wants to examine Bella or Null over something in particular I guess they would need to be called. But insofar as proving or disproving the actual elements of what he is charged with idk what they would say besides essentially "yes, I was on the phone with you and you said you fucked your mom, as reflected in the recording."

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

That reason being the title is so long that it’s cut off in the forms. The full title includes exactly what Chris did, according to our resident experts.

I'm saying that they chose that specific abbreviation for a reason and that's because it covers the vast majority of the usages

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

She has some level of age related cognitive decline, and that means she's now completely unable to consent to sex? I'm going to have to give you some very disturbing news about old people: they still frequently screw, totally willingly. Disgusting, I know. And she wasn't faking dementia, she was massively playing it up.

I mean, she's ok to live by herself and have an active drivers license, but not quite enough to say "Keep your dick away from me"? Or is this just a very selective form of dementia that gets really really bad when she's forced to make extremely simple judgement calls? How do you suppose that works? Very peculiar.

And Chris would claim the exact opposite of everything he's saying if it meant he had a chance of going back to the status quo. Why are we supposed to believe him now? Because this is the option the A-logs desperately want to believe? Chris' word is absolutely worthless.

The reason Chris got arrested is because this is just how law enforcement works in domestic disputes. This is bumfuck Virginia, obviously they're going to charge the middle aged guy and not the old lady. That doesn't mean she can't consent, it just means they think the situation is degenerate and someone had to get nailed for it, so obviously it'll be Chris.

And, even if we pretended this was actually rape, A) she made chris what he is today, B) she's had unacceptable boundaries with him for years training him to see her this way, and C) the whole family is a blight, and the option that costs way, WAY less money is to just let them do whatever so long as it stays away from the public.

This literally nothing except dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money down the drain in a situation the government and public had no need to be involved in, and would never have been involved in had Chris shut his mouth about it.

You're disgusting, faggot.