Law Florida, Tennessee Ban Ranked-Choice Voting Despite Citizen Support - desantis daddy committing the real fraud

4.28.2022 2:10 PM

On Monday, Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a massive election bill into law that creates a special squad to investigate election fraud and crimes and increases some criminal penalties for some election-related violations.

But that's not all. Buried on page 25 of the 47-page bill is a complete ban on the use of ranked-choice voting anywhere in the state, regardless of what voters might want. In this case, it's the voters of Sarasota, who overwhelmingly decided in 2007 (with 77 percent in favor) to switch to this type of voting for local elections.

A similar ban was passed in February in Tennessee. There the target was the city of Memphis, where voters first decided they wanted ranked-choice voting back in 2008. The City Council itself resisted the change and attempted to get voters to repeal the system in 2018, but voters instead still chose to keep ranked-choice by 62 percent. Nevertheless, S.B. 1820 will stop Memphis (and any other municipality or county in Tennessee) from using ranked-choice voting to determine election results.

In Tennessee, the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Brian Kelsey (R–Germantown), made a typical claim by ranked-choice opponents—that it's a "very confusing and complex process that leads to lack of confidence." This is belied by the fact that voters keep choosing it when given the option to do so.

There's a lesson here on how some of the resistance to certain election reforms is actually about entrenched political interests protecting themselves from electoral consequences.

Ranked-choice voting is a system where voters don't just choose a single candidate over the others. Instead, voters are invited to rank candidates by preference. In a slate of five candidates, a voter can choose a favorite, then rank the rest as a second-choice, third-choice, et cetera.

When votes in this system are tabulated, a single candidate must receive a majority of the vote, not just the most votes, in order to win. If a single candidate doesn't surpass the 50 percent threshold, the candidate receiving the least number of votes is disqualified. Then the votes are retallied. For those who chose that last-place candidate as their first pick, instead their second choice is now their vote. The process repeats until a single candidate gets the most votes.

One of the stated goals for proponents of ranked-choice voting is to avoid a situation where, due to the size of the candidate pool, a person is declared a winner with just 30 percent of the vote or even less. Under the status quo, a candidate with polarizing positions that appeal to a small but committed group of voters can overcome the majority if votes get split among three, four, or more candidates.

Ranked-choice voting therefore also creates a system where third-party and independent candidates can have impact without voters having to worry about allegedly "throwing their vote away" or choosing a so-called "spoiler" who can't win but can draw votes away from a similar candidate. A voter can select a Libertarian Party or Green Party candidate or an independent candidate as their first choice. Then, the voter can select a more conventional Democrat or Republican candidate as the second choice, knowing that they can have their values reflected in initial results without losing their voice entirely.

FairVote, a nonpartisan organization pushing for election reforms, sees ranked-choice voting as a boon for voter participation and support of election outcomes. It views ranked-choice voting as a way of countering increasing polarization among both Democratic and Republican candidates: "America's constitutional system of governance is based on compromise. When polarization causes that to break down, policymaking can grind to a halt or swing wildly based on which party has majority control."

Unsurprisingly, politicians who benefit from a highly polarized environment wouldn't want an election system that encourages alternatives. Florida's politics these days can most certainly be described as "polarizing."

"There are some folks who benefit from divisive elections and the status quo," Deb Otis, a senior research analyst for FairVote, tells Reason. "Reforms will always have pockets of opposition."

And just because Republicans are behind the bans in Florida and Tennessee doesn't mean they're the only ones against ranked-choice. In New York City, establishment Democrats attempted to halt the implementation of ranked-choice voting in the mayor's race just last year. They failed, and Eric Adams eventually won with a majority of the vote after several rounds of tallies. Adams himself had spoken out against ranked-choice, claiming it would disenfranchise minority voters, even though the voters themselves (as in Sarasota and Memphis) overwhelmingly approved a referendum on it.

Despite the recent setbacks in Florida and Tennessee, Otis and FairVote are keeping a positive outlook and promoting the growth of adoptions of ranked-choice voting elsewhere. Maine pioneered ranked-choice voting in the U.S. for several state-level races (including governor and lawmakers), and a new bill will allow cities and towns to use the system for local races. In Utah, a Republican-sponsored bill signed into law by a Republican governor provided some technical tweak to its pilot program as ranked-choice voting continues to grow there. And Alaska will be using ranked-choice voting to replace Republican Rep. Don Young, who died in March.

"More and more cities are using ranked-choice voting," Otis says. "We continue to see voters like ranked-choice voting, understand it, and continue to elect candidates who have broad support."
 
Ranked-choice voting is good for deciding what you want to order for lunch at the workplace with your mates. For modern Denocracy with minimal voter information, it's basically begging for having #1 be some crazy celebrity, and #2 being the person who spent most money on advertising.
 
Ranked-choice voting is good for deciding what you want to order for lunch at the workplace with your mates. For modern Denocracy with minimal voter information, it's basically begging for having #1 be some crazy celebrity, and #2 being the person who spent most money on advertising.
you are just salty that in a world where voting third party would've been viable due to RCV, trump would never have been the president.
if it's good enough to decide what you eat, it is perfect for deciding representatives
 
>Senator Brian Kelsey opposed ranked-choice voting
Funny, this guy got nabbed for multiple campaign finance fraud charges.

“The indictment alleges that Kelsey, Smith, and others orchestrated the concealed movement of $91,000 to a national political organization for the purpose of funding advertisements that urged voters to support Kelsey in the August 2016 primary election, and that the conspirators caused the political organization to make $80,000 worth of contributions to Kelsey’s federal campaign committee in the form of coordinated expenditures,” the DOJ wrote in a release.


“Kelsey and Smith are charged with conspiracy to defraud the FEC, illegally transferring ‘soft money’ as a federal candidate and his agent, and illegally transferring ‘soft money’ as a state officeholder and his agent. Kelsey is also charged with making excessive contributions to a federal campaign and accepting excessive contributions,” they continued.
IIRC he plans to run again whenever the legal drama is over. Germantown and Collierville both think their shit doesn't stink, so he'll probably get re-elected anyway.
 
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you are just salty that in a world where voting third party would've been viable due to RCV, trump would never have been the president.
if it's good enough to decide what you eat, it is perfect for deciding representatives
I'd be willing to bet it will be easier to get an average nigger to rank his top 5 junk food than him naming 3 senators from his state.

But we all know that, mathematically, the best political system, where people can vote however they want without compromising and a unanimous vote elects the selected official, is a dictatorship.
 
As nice ranked voting sounds, I don't trust them to count ballots with just one vote marked on it, let alone one with a fucking tier list on it. How are we supposed to ensure that funky number crunching doesn't happen in the background when we can't get proper transparency with the system we already have?
 
Everyone in elected government is in government because they worked the current system better than their opponent. They aren't about to change the rules to a game they're winning.
 
I'd be willing to bet it will be easier to get an average nigger to rank his top 5 junk food than him naming 3 senators from his state.

But we all know that, mathematically, the best political system, where people can vote however they want without compromising and a unanimous vote elects the selected official, is a dictatorship.
theoretically, a benevolent dictatorship is better than an avg democracy. but the dictatorship falters when the question of succession comes and isn't sustainable
As nice ranked voting sounds, I don't trust them to count ballots with just one vote marked on it, let alone one with a fucking tier list on it. How are we supposed to ensure that funky number crunching doesn't happen in the background when we can't get proper transparency with the system we already have?
there's a magical device called EVM
 
you are just salty that in a world where voting third party would've been viable due to RCV,
That's actually a misconception. Ranked choice tends to filter out 3rd parties. It can be gamed fairly easily as well be fielding candidates similar to the opposition or promoting candidates as similar. Ranked choice voting is a system that appeals to midwits/redditors who only look at it from a 3rd party supporting or faux intellectual view.
 
Ranked-choice voting is good for deciding what you want to order for lunch at the workplace with your mates. For modern Denocracy with minimal voter information, it's basically begging for having #1 be some crazy celebrity, and #2 being the person who spent most money on advertising.
We can't do much worse than what we have now. At this point, a Kardashian in the White House would probably be an improvement.
 
you are just salty that in a world where voting third party would've been viable due to RCV, trump would never have been the president.
Actually, if anything, Hillary would probably have lost even more decisively had ranked choice voting been in operation that year. From what I recall, polls showed that Libertarian voters heavily preferred Trump over her, so with RCV in place, she would likely have also lost Minnesota, New Hampshire, and the remainder of her Maine electoral votes.
 
Methinks ranked-choice voting is a ploy to keep controversial popular candidates out and reward establishment types with broad appeal and few strong positions.
If a candidate was truly very popular they'd get voted in anyway because they'd be the first choice for many people. In fact, a candidate who is more extreme should get more votes in this system because people wouldn't be afraid to vote for them in case their favoured broad-appeal candidate isn't elected (and those nasty "Demonrats"/"Republicunts" win). It'd get rid of "electability" as an argument for voting for somebody.
Ranked-choice voting is good for deciding what you want to order for lunch at the workplace with your mates. For modern Denocracy with minimal voter information, it's basically begging for having #1 be some crazy celebrity, and #2 being the person who spent most money on advertising.
With the current system, wouldn't #1 just be the one who advertised the most? The idea is that people don't have vote against a candidate - they can pick their favoured candidate as their first and a more centrist, broad-appeal candidate as their second. So, for example, if the election was between, say, a popular but unusual/extreme candidate, a more moderate candidate from the same party (party A), and a candidate from the other party (party B), people voting for the extreme candidate wouldn't have to worry about accidentally letting the party B candidate win because party B's votes were split between two candidates.
 
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I'd be willing to bet it will be easier to get an average nigger to rank his top 5 junk food than him naming 3 senators from his state.
Not much of a bet when they can't even vote down ballot without being given a checkbox to automatically do it for them.

And that's not a racist kiwi speaking, that's federal judges admitting niggers and beaners can't read past a single character.
The court also found that the GOP-backed law "imposes a discriminatory burden on African-American and Hispanic voters" and is "likely to cause confusion among voters."
 
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