The Designated Cheeki Breeki in Ukraine Shitting Thread - Tear each other apart I don't care.

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Jesus these are just terrible. I keep telling people but they never listen, keep it simple.

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I like how all the sudden Nazis are fine as long as they are OUR Nazis. LMAO. Honestly the amount of doublethink that goes on here is mindboggling because they generally don't deny they are Nazis, but the ends justify the means for whatever reason they can't articulate either.
 
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I like how all the sudden Nazis are fine as long as they are OUR Nazis. LMAO. Honestly the amount of doublethink that goes on here is mindboggling because they generally don't deny they are Nazis, but the ends justify the means for whatever reason they can't articulate either.
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This entire conflict coverage/narrative-wise in the west has just been insane fucking hypocrisy and doublethink for almost every group involved.
Leftists are cheering on Russian imperialism and warcrimes (Every single death) because of thinly veiled anti Americanism, Liberals have gone from calling anyone who isn't a wokeass retard a Nazi, to cheering on literal Nazis, the Right are claiming both sides are fighting for Western values, white race, Christianity against the Jewish/Asiatic hordes.

I think I've been banned from almost every single Reddit Politics sub and several forums simply because I try to analyse this conflict from a historical neutral viewpoint and I'm actually pretty genuinely anti-war. Don't like the Ukrainian Government, I think they have a real Neo Nazi problem through their politics, institutions and National identity, they genuinely engage in sadistic levels of war crimes and their crimes against the Donbass and Political opposition since 2014 have been horrific. Their bullshit National Identity is built entirely around OUN far-right ethnonationalism and eternal victim complex (ignoring that they basically ruled the USSR politically for most of it's life). and the place is corrupt as fuck. None of this justify Russian invasion which is based on insane delusional levels of Russian Chauvinism, paranoia and cringe Empire Nostalgia. Russia here is acting no different from Peter Mandelson, Alastair Campbell and Tony Blair in their running into Iraq to restore some sense of British empire nostalgia pride through war.

At the same time, NATO has been an extremely bad faith constant backstabbing actor towards Russia since the OSCE meetings with Gorbachev and it's clear to anyone with any historical knowledge of NATO, that NATO's main goal is to balkanise Russia and it's been pushing closer and closer to bring the conditions about to bring this goal in line. Putin made this claim in his insane speech about the Balkanisation threat from Clinton, and notice not a single US figure, nor Clinton denied it. NATO laid a very obvious honey barrel bear trap and Putin was dumb enough to run right in, probably because he was surrounded by Yesmen and didn't know how bad the state of the Russian military due to corruption really was in. Again though, this still doesn't justify a goddamn war. Russia would have been better off working with France towards building back up the OSCE and Russia could release in detail why it feels NATO acts in bad faith (not hard, the amount of NATO assurance knives in Gorbachev and Yeltsin's back is evidence enough)

I can understand why parts of my views are controversial, but I think I'm being pretty fair and moderate in my assessment and this shit has got be banned from pretty much everywhere. If you don't fall hardcore in a camp, you're a Hohol, Vatnik or Glowie.
 
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Donker dijo:
This entire conflict coverage/narrative-wise in the west has just been insane fucking hypocrisy and doublethink for almost every group involved.
Leftists are cheering on Russian imperialism and warcrimes (Every single death) because of thinly veiled anti Americanism, Liberals have gone from calling anyone who isn't a wokeass retard a Nazi, to cheering on literal Nazis, the Right are claiming both sides are fighting for Western values, white race, Christianity against the Jewish/Asiatic hordes.

I think I've been banned from almost every single Reddit Politics sub and several forums simply because I try to analyse this conflict from a historical neutral viewpoint and I'm actually pretty genuinely anti-war. Don't like the Ukrainian Government, I think they have a real Neo Nazi problem through their politics, institutions and National identity, they genuinely engage in sadistic levels of war crimes and their crimes against the Donbass and Political opposition since 2014 have been horrific. Their bullshit National Identity is built entirely around OUN far-right ethnonationalism and eternal victim complex (ignoring that they basically ruled the USSR politically for most of it's life). and the place is corrupt as fuck. None of this justify Russian invasion which is based on insane delusional levels of Russian Chauvinism, paranoia and cringe Empire Nostalgia. Russia here is acting no different from Peter Mandelson, Alastair Campbell and Tony Blair in their running into Iraq to restore some sense of British empire nostalgia pride through war.

At the same time, NATO has been an extremely bad faith constant backstabbing actor towards Russia since the OSCE meetings with Gorbachev and it's clear to anyone with any historical knowledge of NATO, that NATO's main goal is to balkanise Russia and it's been pushing closer and closer to bring the conditions about to bring this goal in line. Putin made this claim in his insane speech about the Balkanisation threat from Clinton, and notice not a single US figure, nor Clinton denied it. NATO laid a very obvious honey barrel bear trap and Putin was dumb enough to run right in, probably because he was surrounded by Yesmen and didn't know how bad the state of the Russian military due to corruption really was in. Again though, this still doesn't justify a goddamn war. Russia would have been better off working with France towards building back up the OSCE and Russia could release in detail why it feels NATO acts in bad faith (not hard, the amount of NATO assurance knives in Gorbachev and Yeltsin's back is evidence enough)

I can understand why parts of my views are controversial, but I think I'm being pretty fair and moderate in my assessment and this shit has got be banned from pretty much everywhere. If you don't fall hardcore in a camp, you're a Hohol, Vatnik or Glowie.
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This is why I don't want to touch this steaming pile of shit with a ten foot pole. It is the quintessential Not My Problem, Bye. Both sides are fucked up and I don't understand why foreigners want to die for Ukraine if they have zero connection. Let them box it out on their own.
 
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