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So what if one meets one of the rare cases of someone who isn't a toxic, forceful pile of narcissistic shite (i.e. they bother to acknowledge science), but is still a tranny (especially if they have interests that are troon-typical/have signs of AGP)?

I've come across such and such online who are very clearly genuine people but are trannies with likely AGP-induced transition reasons, who just live their lives, I'm just not sure how to feel about them. Whether they're bad people because of the AGP roots alone despite the fact they're proven to not be complete and utter wankers, or...
You're asking if a trans person didn't insist people uncritically accept their belief that a man can become a woman or vice versa, would people be okay with that? Probably. Nobody really cared about people with "headmates" or whatever until they started making that a social justice issue too.

But on a one-to-one level? That's just between you and whoever you're talking to. There are lots of people who have really personal reasons for why they may never get along with trans people, no matter how nice are outwardly. Nobody has the right to control anyone else's feelings.
 
So what if one meets one of the rare cases of someone who isn't a toxic, forceful pile of narcissistic shite (i.e. they bother to acknowledge science), but is still a tranny (especially if they have interests that are troon-typical/have signs of AGP)?

I've come across such and such online who are very clearly genuine people but are trannies with likely AGP-induced transition reasons, who just live their lives, I'm just not sure how to feel about them. Whether they're bad people because of the AGP roots alone despite the fact they're proven to not be complete and utter wankers, or...
Can't speak for anyone else, but personally idgaf as long as they don't try to claim identities and spaces that don't belong to them. If they call themselves a crossdressing man, don't claim to be "women," don't go into women's bathrooms/other sex-specific spaces for women, etc. I could give a shit what they do or what fetishes they have.

But the minute they start prancing around claiming that their fetish or mental illness means they're "women", the minute they start barging into women's bathrooms and invading women's privacy? Yeah, that makes them "bad people". It makes them entitled and misogynistic - entitled enough to assume that they, as men, can know what it's like to be a woman; entitled enough to believe that they deserve access to women's single-sex spaces; misogynistic enough to believe that a man can "become" a woman by embodying misogynistic stereotypes... etc. And that harms all women. Nevermind the ones that support and fight for the "right" to legally be considered "women," to be included in women's sports, etc. which is even worse.

So that's what makes them shit. It's not just their disgusting attitudes, it's the entitlement and misogyny that is part and parcel of "identifying" as something you can never be and destroying women's rights and spaces. If all of that didn't happen... sure, whatever. But they wouldn't be trans, they'd just be crossdressing men, so it's a moot point.
 
Can't speak for anyone else, but personally idgaf as long as they don't try to claim identities and spaces that don't belong to them. If they call themselves a crossdressing man, don't claim to be "women," don't go into women's bathrooms/other sex-specific spaces for women, etc. I could give a shit what they do or what fetishes they have.

But the minute they start prancing around claiming that their fetish or mental illness means they're "women", the minute they start barging into women's bathrooms and invading women's privacy? Yeah, that makes them "bad people". It makes them entitled and misogynistic - entitled enough to assume that they, as men, can know what it's like to be a woman; entitled enough to believe that they deserve access to women's single-sex spaces; misogynistic enough to believe that a man can "become" a woman by embodying misogynistic stereotypes... etc. And that harms all women. Nevermind the ones that support and fight for the "right" to legally be considered "women," to be included in women's sports, etc. which is even worse.

So that's what makes them shit. It's not just their disgusting attitudes, it's the entitlement and misogyny that is part and parcel of "identifying" as something you can never be and destroying women's rights and spaces. If all of that didn't happen... sure, whatever. But they wouldn't be trans, they'd just be crossdressing men, so it's a moot point.
The problem is that ultimately these troons cannot have what they want - which is the remaking of their own objective physical condition - and after failing that they seek to remake society's perceptions of the troon in question. For the longest time the best they could do was crossdressing in private settings, but after attaching themselves to the drive to normalize homosexuality they see no reason to limit themselves to what they had before. Now nothing less than a complete eradication of objective gender norms and roles will do. They don't want women's sports or women's bathrooms, they want a singular space where they and only they are applauded and validated.
 
Here's a hotdog guzzling tranny making jokes about having been molested by his uncle as a child. He destroyed his marriage to troon out, claims he's living his best bimbo life getting railed by straight men all the time now. Sure, Jan.
 
The problem is that ultimately these troons cannot have what they want - which is the remaking of their own objective physical condition - and after failing that they seek to remake society's perceptions of the troon in question. For the longest time the best they could do was crossdressing in private settings, but after attaching themselves to the drive to normalize homosexuality they see no reason to limit themselves to what they had before. Now nothing less than a complete eradication of objective gender norms and roles will do. They don't want women's sports or women's bathrooms, they want a singular space where they and only they are applauded and validated.
I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that trans-identified people even want to actually change their physical bodies. Only about 5% of trans-identified males get SRS, and the numbers are far lower for trans-identified females. iirc even the number of trans-identified people who get cosmetic surgeries ("top surgery," ffs, etc.) is quite low. The majority don't even try to pass. They don't want to be the opposite sex, they want the control and, often, sexual excitement that - for them - comes with forcing others to treat them as the opposite sex and invading opposite sex spaces.

I also don't think the trans movement can be blamed on the gay rights movement. Trans activism steals from every minority rights movement - they've stolen slogans and activist narratives from the civil rights movement, the gay rights movement, BLM, Stop Asian Hate, every movement you could possibly imagine. I think the trans movement could more accurately be pegged to be riding the coattails of the sex positive movement than the gay rights movement - the sex positive movement is all about normalizing fetishes, public exposure of sex and sexuality, extreme pornography, etc. All things that the trans movement is based in and relies on. Even if gay rights had never been even remotely successful - and I'd like to remind you that gay people still do not have equal rights in virtually any part of the world today, the movement is not over - the trans movement very likely still would have happened so long as the liberal feminist-led sex positive movement still arose. That's ymmv though.

The trans movement also has zero interest in eradicating gender norms and roles - they rely on those gender norms and roles and strictly enforce them. They can't claim an uproar over not being recognized as a woman while wearing a dress if you normalize men wearing dresses - and I'm not pulling that as a random example, there was a whole uproar a while back because some black male celebrity wore a skirt and trans activists proclaimed that he was "stepping on trans territory" and needed to stop being gender non-conforming because if he were gender non-conforming and male, it would make it harder for them to be "recognized" as identifying as women based on their conformity to opposite sex-assigned gender stereotypes.

They also emphatically do want "women's spaces" and "women's sports" to exist, because being "validated" as women is what gets them off. Even if you created an entire space dedicated to the worship of trans-identified males, it wouldn't be good enough, because forcing everyone to include them as "women" is part of the fetish.

...sorry. I didn't mean to come at this so hard. Please know I'm just shooting the shit here and not trying to attack you or say you're necessarily wrong, etc. This is how I get away with not paying attention to the shit movie I've got on lol.
 
As soon as a trans person(or ally) tries to use 'cis' I immediately tune out anything they say as they try to make normal people some sort of oddity.

There are no 'cismen' or 'ciswomen'. It's 'men' or 'women' for normal people and 'transmen' or 'transwomen' for the others.
Unless you're talking about isomers

Although how the term got from isomers to people dicking around in dresses is beyond me
 
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No comment.
 
No, the entire Alpha/Beta/Omega hierarchy is fiction. It was originally used to describe wolf packs - with Alphas being the only ones allowed to breed, Betas waiting in the wings, and Omegas on the periphery. But in reality, wolves don’t operate like that. Instead there is a breeding pair and their children - the latter obviously not breeding with one another.
It’s just lazy science, but it permeating popular culture just like that “only 10% of your brain” myth.
Right, it was based on captive wolves and the man who coined the terms thinks it’s the worst mistake of his life.

Same thing with the stereotype of monkeys throwing feces. Both is what happens if you observe the behavior of captive, traumatized animals and take it to be behavior of a whole species.

Imagine doing that with humans. “Oh look, this Homo sapiens took a break from crying in the corner of the room after a brutal beating, and then stabbed another Homo sapiens with a blade he made from whittling down a toothbrush handle. What an interesting species.”

Unless you're talking about isomers

Although how the term got from isomers to people dicking around in dresses is beyond me
Apparently it was invented (as a term to talk about non-troons, I mean) by a pedophile in the 1990s.


Just like John Money was a pedophile. I’m seeing a pattern here.
 
So what if one meets one of the rare cases of someone who isn't a toxic, forceful pile of narcissistic shite (i.e. they bother to acknowledge science), but is still a tranny (especially if they have interests that are troon-typical/have signs of AGP)?

I've come across such and such online who are very clearly genuine people but are trannies with likely AGP-induced transition reasons, who just live their lives, I'm just not sure how to feel about them. Whether they're bad people because of the AGP roots alone despite the fact they're proven to not be complete and utter wankers, or...
Others have made good points but it's worth noting that just because they aren't mask off in front of you or agree with the things you believe doesnt mean they genuinely believe them. A tranny who says sex is immutable and no amount of surgery or hormones makes you the opposite sex and then turns around and transitions/"identifies" as the other sex isn't any different than another who toes the trans party line ultimately. IMO they're even worse because they don't even have the conviction to actually hold to their beliefs and try to have their cake and eat it too. I like to call them the "not like the other trannies" trannies personally and you see a lot of them in places like honesttransgender or GC circles.

Also worth noting that if you're not their target, you're likely not facing their absolute lunacy. I speak from experience knowing maybe 20~25 troons (most mtf, some actually featured in this thread at some point or other) who varied a fair amount in terms of race, class, background, age, locale, etc. on a personal level when I was trans identified and not one has been normal. They may seem it at first but once they get comfortable, think you'll be receptive to their fetish shit, or (god forbid) are attracted to you, it comes full force.

The way I see it transition is an implied endorsement of trans ideology - that you can somehow be in the "wrong" body, that a male can become female or vice versa via transition, that a lesbian can be attracted to a male in any form, and the other myriad misogynistic and homophobic beliefs that'd make even a fundie uncomfortable. Sure, maybe not every trans person is as bad as CWC or Riley Dennis or Yaniv or Aimee Chandelier or whatever the fuck his name was, but the beliefs shared are necessary to be trans in the first place and that's enough imho.
 
Some prime peaking material tonight, kiwis. In no particular order:

Giggly gay sounds, teehee!:

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Fresh off the set of Jerry Springer:

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It's poly time!:

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Comparing their vanity cosmetic procedures to cancer yet again:

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"THIS IS NOT A FETISH. I AM A WOMAN." and "You're a girl sis!" with insane comment about going thru menopause at 9:

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Thanks for the creep receipt:

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From best bros to transbian lovers:

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Narc debating trooning out on his 5 month pregnant wife:

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Christian troon's wife feels betrayed by her husband's transition. Coward troon excuses his behavior as a medical condition and compares transitioning to chemotherapy:

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"Like proof is in the pudding that you're a woman when taking estrogen alleviates previous lifelong issues.":

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r/honesttransgender weighs in on Lia Thomas. Remember these are supposed to be the "sane" trannies:


Yet another drag bashing post:


Guide to masturbating like a girl:


Based mum:

 
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Pro-tip: You (and every other trans-identified person) will always have your "birth genitals," and getting them butchered up doesn't make demanding sex from unwilling gay and lesbian people any more acceptable or okay. A biological male who has had his dick turned inside out doesn't have a "vagina," he has an inside-out dick; A biological female who has had some of her arm skin turned into a salami sewn to her crotch doesn't have a "penis," she has a tube of arm skin stuck to her crotch over where her vulva was before she had it removed as much as possible and sewn shut. No lesbian is ever going to be attracted to a male, even if he has an inside-out dick; likewise, no gay man will ever be attracted to a female, even if she has a bologna tube stuck between her legs.

I'd also point out that it's all "entitled bullshit". Including "wanting to be seen as (your) desired gender identity". When you walk into the men's room, that's entitled bullshit - you feel entitled to a space that doesn't belong to you, and you are invading the privacy of those who do belong there. When you call yourself a "man" despite having no idea what that actually means because you aren't and never have been one, that's entitled bullshit too. And so on.

(Sorry y'all. I have an ongoing frustration with troons who try to act like they can actually change their sex, or that SRS bears any resemblance whatsoever to actual genitalia at all, let alone the genitalia of the opposite sex.)

Oh-- Maybe I didn't word myself correctly there, I'm really not good at explaining anything more serious like what I meant. You're correct though.

Many trans people think everyone has to bend to their delusional entitlement and those are the ones that bother me. I know my genitals will always be female and to say otherwise is to just reject reality - which too many do, then get violently upset when others don't play along with them.

Gay men don't owe me sex just because I've got a mental disorder that makes me want to say I'm a guy too lol. And like hell I'm paying for glorified genital mutilation when I know fully well I will never be a man, will never be have what natural men have, etc.

To "be" a guy in my personal life, with people who just love me as me, would be enough. People on the outside don't have to give a shit, they can see me as a woman, and I don't have to give a shit about how they see me either. I get called ma'am on the phones at work Monday through Friday, 9 to 5, it's not the end of the world.



After this post however, I'll shut my mouth. I'm hardly contributing and making a fool of myself.
 
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Monologuing about their covert love of the Meat Lego Matrix.
See? Called it:
It's just bus-clap bullshit they spin in hopes of getting attention from evangelical Christian men because baptist daddy wouldn't touch them pissing off "the alt-right"


It's either pissing off the feminists or pissing off the "alt-right". Heaven help them if they'd get over their fetishes grudges and get a life

Right, it was based on captive wolves and the man who coined the terms thinks it’s the worst mistake of his life.

Same thing with the stereotype of monkeys throwing feces. Both is what happens if you observe the behavior of captive, traumatized animals and take it to be behavior of a whole species.

Imagine doing that with humans. “Oh look, this Homo sapiens took a break from crying in the corner of the room after a brutal beating, and then stabbed another Homo sapiens with a blade he made from whittling down a toothbrush handle. What an interesting species.”


Apparently it was invented (as a term to talk about non-troons, I mean) by a pedophile in the 1990s.


Just like John Money was a pedophile. I’m seeing a pattern here.
Ugh. WHY.

You know what? No, this is just conditioning. Study your chemistry hard, and the alphabet loons can go back to being the nothings they are.
 
Oh-- Maybe I didn't word myself correctly there, I'm really not good at explaining anything more serious like what I meant. You're correct though.

Many trans people think everyone has to bend to their delusional entitlement and those are the ones that bother me. I know my genitals will always be female and to say otherwise is to just reject reality - which too many do, then get violently upset when others don't play along with them.

Gay men don't owe me sex just because I've got a mental disorder that makes me want to say I'm a guy too lol. And like hell I'm paying for glorified genital mutilation when I know fully well I will never be a man, will never be have what natural men have, etc.

To "be" a guy in my personal life, with people who just love me as me, would be enough. People on the outside don't have to give a shit, they can see me as a woman, and I don't have to give a shit about how they see me either. I get called ma'am on the phones at work Monday through Friday, 9 to 5, it's not the end of the world.



After this post however, I'll shut my mouth. I'm hardly contributing and making a fool of myself.
So is your name Haydin, Aydin, or Gaydin?

Seriously, you were a woman since the moment of conception. If you hate dresses, you're a woman. If you like heavy metal, you're a woman. If you hate your breasts, you're a woman. If you like playing sports with boys, you're a woman. If you hate having a period, you're a woman. If you like wearing boy's clothes, you're a woman. If you hate older men creeping on you, you're a woman. If you like MMA, you're a woman.

You are a woman. Therefore, everything you say, do, and believe is a feminine trait.
 
If Randy can get work than anyone can get work. No need to mutilate one self for a job.
 
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