🐱 YouTube’s algorithm seems to be funneling people to alt-right videos

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How do we know that? More than 330,000 videos on nearly 350 YouTube channels were analyzed and manually classified according to a system designed by the Anti-Defamation League. They were labeled as either media (or what we think of as factual news), “alt-lite” intellectual dark web, or alt-right.

The groups: The alt-right is what’s traditionally associated with white supremacy, pushing for a white ethnostate. Those who affiliate with the “intellectual dark web” justify white supremacy on the basis of eugenics and “race science.” Members of the alt-lite purport to not support white supremacy, though they believe in conspiracy theories about “replacement” by minority groups.

Gateway: The study’s authors hypothesized that the alt-lite and intellectual dark web often serve as a gateway to more extreme, far-right ideologies. So they tested that by tracing the authors of 72 million comments on about two million videos between May and July of last year. The results were worrying. More than 26% of people who commented on alt-lite videos tended to drift over to alt-right videos and subsequently comment there.

Blame game: It’s fairly easy to get to alt-lite and intellectual dark web content with a simple search, but alt-right videos tend to be harder to find for first-time users. Yet the researchers found that YouTube’s algorithm often directed users who searched for specific keywords toward increasingly violent, extreme content.

And it’s getting worse: The team, from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne, also found evidence that the overlap between alt-righters and others who dabble in intellectual dark web and alt-lite material is growing. The authors estimate that about 60,000 people who commented on alt-lite or intellectual dark web content got exposed to alt-right videos over a period of about 18 months. The work was presented at the 2020 Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency in Barcelona this week.

We still don’t know a lot about YouTube radicalization: For one thing, we aren’t quite sure exactly what makes people move from alt-lite material to the far-right stuff. That’s partially because YouTube restricts access to recommendation data. It’s also possible some people are coming to YouTube already having already been radicalized by some external, non-YouTube source. But this research suggests that YouTube’s recommendation algorithms may play a significant role.

The background: YouTube has long struggled with the balance between maintaining free speech and addressing hate speech. The company has taken some initial steps by banning some channels, most notably Alex Jones’s Infowars. But critics argue that YouTube hasn’t done enough.

In a statement, YouTube said it’s working through these issues: “Over the past few years ... We changed our search and discovery algorithms to ensure more authoritative content is surfaced and labeled prominently in search results and recommendations and begun reducing recommendations of borderline content and videos that could misinform users in harmful ways."

A spokesperson added that YouTube disputes the methodology and that it doesn’t take into account more recent updates to its hate speech policy or recommendations. "We strongly disagree with the methodology, data and, most importantly, the conclusions made in this new research," the spokesperson said.
 
Anything short of restricting recommendations exclusively to the B'nai B'rith family of content isn't going to be enough for the ADL.
 
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Youtube recommends based on what you watch. For example, I mostly watch gaming and computer videos. I get recommended more gaming and computer videos.

Someone who watches lots of political videos will get recommended political videos. An algorithm is not magic, it's just a set of rules being followed. Computers are autistic by nature, so they have a literal mind.

Even my mom who needs help uninstalling apps on her phone can understand this. You're outboomering my mom, ADL!
 
It's really bizarre seeing the alt-right at the heart of a new Satanic panic. I guess some things don't change, though the names and places may.

This could usefully be interpreted as a means of measuring the degree of social and psychological threat felt by the sort of people that read Wired and Technology Review: Tech adjacent, and equating what gets labelled as 'intelligent' by the lay press as the highest of qualities. We're hearing them scream as they realize they haven't escaped from history, or their own bodies and circumstances. At least they have Reddit.

The aesthetics here are powerful.
 
"People I disagree with are getting views and showing up in my recommendations! We should FORCE the algorithm to only recommend videos I agree with!"'

How is this different than that "Conservative radio is too popular! Liberal talking heads must have equal time!" bullshit they tried in the 90's? The Internet is not just huge, but it's also decentralized. If you want to find something, you will. Anyone who wants to blame the algorithm is forgetting that the AI is dumb as shit and only recommends what's popular. Lobotomizing the AI will only hurt it's ability to give users the content they want.
 
YouTube has never been more strict about meanie content on their platform, how are we still getting articles like this?
Because there is no end goal, no point at which they'd be satisfied.
Some people are holes that cannot be filled.
 
I have a few complaints already:

•The main study covers only two months, so the assumption that persons who had commented on alt-lite videos drifted to the alt-right en masse (as opposed to, say, having been radicals from the start) seems a bit of a stretch.

•26%, or ~0.2, is a weak correlate the result of which does not warrant the article’s alarmist language.

•Statements like “May” or “Could be” is an admission that the studies are inconclusive, thus meriting dubiety as opposed to a strong endorsement.

•The other study of 18 months by Technology Lausanne looks to be much more promising. Why it’s secondary, I don’t kno-clickbaits.

•It’s classification of as to what constitutes as “alt-right” or “alt-lite” seems highly opinionated. And the Anti-Defamation League is not without it’s political biases.

TL;DR seems like a politicized study that draws a tree out of a mere branch.
 
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Of course, we have to consider that their definition of "alt right" includes any opinion or facts they don't like. This includes any scientific discussion about gender, an unfavorable opinion about unborn baby killing, or any discussion about war and history, because the past was violent and involved guns. I think most youtube videos about war are demonitized because of that.
 
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I used to hate nazis because they burned books but seeing articles like this every day makes me wish the nazis would come back and really exterminate all the jews this time. surely if Hitler had won things wouldn't be as bad as they are now. it'd still be bad, porn would probably be illegal, but not as bad.
 
Of course, we have to consider that their definition of "alt right" includes any opinion they don't like. This includes any scientific discussion about gender, an unfavorable opinion about unborn baby killing, or any discussion about war and history, because the past was violent and involved guns. I think most youtube videos about war are demonitized because of that.
Advertisers allegedly don't want to have ads next to content about war or violence, but seem to be completely comfortable putting ads on the History Channel's 500th "COULD HITLER BE STILL ALIVE?" marathon. Ditto for fake news and videos about ancient aliens.
 
Archive of the story; https://archive.md/N0Hlw

Attached is the actual study, and this is their list of the most based and redpilled youtube channels

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Youtube is full of stupid shit. From Free Energy to Alien Conspiracies to dumb political hot takes and it is all liked together because dumb people like to watch it and it doesn't take much brains to make it.

It has always been this way. Why is this news? More importantly, why isn't the dumb shit that leans their way ideologically being scrutinized as well? The same crap holds true for the post-modernist antifa SJW-sphere. Yet no calls to restrict it. Hmmmm, I wonder why.

Anyways, the ADL can choke on their own smug farts. The unelected Stasi motherfuckers.
 
I guess YouTube isn't degenerate enough for jews yet. You can see how shitty the front page of YouTube is if you go I to private mode or delete your cookies on close. Youtube.com is filled with faggots putting on makeup, race mixing, and trannies, no healthy or same person could look at that and say that the alt-right is popular on youtube.
 
The Internet is not just huge, but it's also decentralized.
I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but the same people bitching about people expressing themselves are convinced YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit are the only websites you should care about.
The vast internet has been, slowly but surely, shrunken down into an easily-digestible selection of approved media and news sources by way of frenzied bitching and a lack of enthusiasm from their opposition(Our glorious errverlord being the sole exception, really).
 
This is just madness. If I go to an alt-right channel on YouTube (incognito) all of the videos promoted are mainstream globohomo content.
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This appears to be the case with all the channels I checked, YouTube isn't promotion alt-right content it is actively silencing it. If we go to look at some more kosher channels content, all the recommendations are their own videos or related to their content.
 
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We still don’t know a lot about YouTube radicalization: For one thing, we aren’t quite sure exactly what makes people move from alt-lite material to the far-right stuff. That’s partially because YouTube restricts access to recommendation data. It’s also possible some people are coming to YouTube already having already been radicalized by some external, non-YouTube source. But this research suggests that YouTube’s recommendation algorithms may play a significant role.
Laymen’s terms: we don’t know if and how YouTube radicalizes people, but we’re gonna say they do anyway.
 
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