Culture ‘Your Land’? Some Native Americans question inaugural song - This song is our song too, whitey


On the first day of Joe Biden’s presidency, Native Americans had reason to celebrate. Biden halted construction of the border wall that threatened to physically separate Indigenous people living on both sides.

He also revoked a permit for the Keystone XL oil pipeline that tribes fought in court for years, and he agreed to restore the boundaries of the first national monument created specifically at the request of tribes in southern Utah. Inaugural events showcased tribes across the country in traditional regalia, dancing and in prayer.

But amid the revelry, some Native Americans saw a glitch in Wednesday’s swearing-in ceremony. The only mention of Indigenous people came in the benediction delivered by the Rev. Silvester Beaman. And then there was the mishmash of songs sung by Jennifer Lopez that included lyrics from “This Land is Your Land.” The folk tune is popular around campfires and in grade schools, but it also called to mind the nation’s long history of land disputes involving tribes.

“Oh, I love J.Lo,” said Kristen Herring, who is Lumbee and lives in Austin, Texas. “It wasn’t super disappointing that she sang it. But I was like, ‘Oh, why did that have to be on the list of things to sing?’”

Woody Guthrie, who wrote the song in the 1940s, meant it as a retort to “God Bless America” and a rebuke to monetizing land at a time of economic crisis, said Gustavus Stadler, an English professor and author of “Woodie Guthrie: An Intimate Life.”

Lopez put a twist on it, throwing in part of the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish that translates to “justice for all.” The Guthrie song has been a symbol of equality, inclusion and unity.

Lady Gaga sang a rendition of it at the Super Bowl months after Donald Trump took office. It was part of Barack Obama’s inaugural programming, with a trio of singers, including Bruce Springsteen, adding back some of the original, more controversial verses.

But arriving amid an effort by some tribes to be recognized as stewards of ancestral land, a movement known as Land Back, the lyrics hit the wrong note for some tribal members.

“It’s a nice little sentiment that America is this mixing pot,” said Benny Wayne Sully, who is Sicangu Lakota and lives in Los Angeles. “But does anybody believe this land was made for you and me? Or was it made for white folks? People forget this land was made of brown people before it was colonized.”

Rep. Deb Haaland, who is from Laguna Pueblo in New Mexico, acknowledged that perspective in a virtual welcoming to the inaugural events over the weekend. She’s been nominated to lead the Interior Department, which oversees tribal affairs. If confirmed, she would be the first Native American in a Cabinet post.

That’s one of the reasons Cherie Tebo was able to look past the song that she said was inappropriate and emphasized how little some Americans know about Indigenous people. She sees an opportunity for tribes to have a seat at the table in Biden’s administration, citing Haaland and Winnebago tribal member Ann Marie Bledsoe Downes, who has been named a deputy solicitor for the Interior Department.

“In order to make it work, ‘this land is your land, this land is my land,’ people (need) to understand it doesn’t belong to us,” said Tebo, who also is Winnebago. “If anything, we belong to it. And when our land is sick, we are sick.”
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This land is my land, whitey and you can't even sing songs about it. I thought the natives were suppose to be a musical people, what happened?
 
Indians are just old worlders who migrated to the new world via Russia and Alaska being together and probably slaughtered some other races for their land. There's also the fact that Native American tribes colonized other tribes, forced other tribes to assimilate to their tribes, kidnapped people into their tribes, and murdered foreigners near the area. To my eyes, they are no better than African tribesmen who do the same thing, along with selling other tribesmen as slaves.
If I remember right there is actual evidence injuns did exactly that, I might be remembering wrong but Clovis Man existed in America before injuns and the bones they found have marks of being murdered.
 
Indians are just old worlders who migrated to the new world via Russia and Alaska being together and probably slaughtered some other races for their land. There's also the fact that Native American tribes colonized other tribes, forced other tribes to assimilate to their tribes, kidnapped people into their tribes, and murdered foreigners near the area. To my eyes, they are no better than African tribesmen who do the same thing, along with selling other tribesmen as slaves.
It's almost like mankind is inherently flawed and that civilisation is the emergent phenomenon of the simultaneous practise of all true virtue.
 
Y'know, I used to be of the impression that of all of the groups in this country who claim to be "marginalized", the Natives were pretty much the only one who actually could legitimately claim that they were. I mean, for god's sake, if you're a non-Native and commit a crime on a reservation - say, rape - the state has no jurisdiction to try and imprison you - that the reservation's job since, y'know, sovereign territory. And have you even seen their reservations?! It's like literally being transported to a third-world country. But then, I realized something. Much like us black folk, Natives' "oppression" is entirely to blame on themselves. They don't like the rampant alcoholism in their communities? Maybe put the fucking fire water down and go to an AA meeting or something. Don't like the shitty conditions of your reservation? Protest and rail against the corrupt tribal officials that pocket the money that could be used to improve it! But instead, they seem to be content with getting whatever scraps the casinos and federal government gives them, and complaining about their lot in life without actually doing anything about it. It's all so tiresome (:_(
 
Weren't Native Americans quite territorial with their land?

This land is your land, up until you make a wrong turn.
Depends on the group. Many were pretty nasty. Some were pretty cosmopolitan. The Mandan did a lot of trading, but they were really good at growing corn and usually had surpluses. You can't be too violent with your neighbors if you want them to trade you meat for corn.

Others were really murder-y.
 
It's really just our land. We fought a bloody 400-year war and won it fair and square from the pull-starts. We just give them reservations and pretend it's still theirs because we have white guilt. Literally no other culture outside of modern white westerners has felt guilty of winning land in war. We should be proud of it.

I mean... it was more smallpox that won the land... not us.

Also we broke a shit ton of treaties and stuff... Really america's acquirement of most of its land was done through incredibly scummy means.
 
The American Indians already got reservations and have done jackshit with it. Ever seen the navajo territory? Vast lands, nearly all of it barren, except the occasional rancher and dirty towns. Did they get screwed historically? Maybe, but when should that stop being an excuse?
 
Also we broke a shit ton of treaties and stuff... Really america's acquirement of most of its land was done through incredibly scummy means.
Sucks to suck. Hey fun fact. Bulgars aren't from Bulgaria. Huns aren't from Hungary. Turks aren't from Turkey.

Turns out this whole fucking world is just tribes of people displacing each other. Been that way from the beginning.
 
Lmao, there were no property rights when the Spanish showed up in the Americas. The disparate, eternally warring Natives ran into people who were better at killing than they were (which is really saying something) and got BTFO, that's all. Sour grapes all around.
 
Weird how "stewardship" of land comes off as exactly like ownership of land here

ie "It's our land fuck you."

I mean... it was more smallpox that won the land... not us.

Also we broke a shit ton of treaties and stuff... Really america's acquirement of most of its land was done through incredibly scummy means.
And we beat smallpox

So
 
Sucks to suck. Hey fun fact. Bulgars aren't from Bulgaria. Huns aren't from Hungary. Turks aren't from Turkey.

Turns out this whole fucking world is just tribes of people displacing each other. Been that way from the beginning.
Wrong. The Macedonians have been there ever since the days of Alexander and are totally not self-hating Bulgars. /sneed
 
Can any injun Kiwis give insight into how many of ya'll actually give a shit about this kind of stuff? Because I get the feeling a lot of the supposedly native people freaking out about shit like songs and fictional characters and words and shit are about as native as Elizabeth Warren is.
 
I mean... it was more smallpox that won the land... not us.

Also we broke a shit ton of treaties and stuff... Really america's acquirement of most of its land was done through incredibly scummy means.
You're a faggot. Who gives a shit? Smallpox blankets were a myth. Any transmission was involuntary. We still fought with them for centuries and won the land fair and square. Before we even got here, they were fighting among themselves and stealing land from each other. A new faction appears and suddenly winning land in war is immoral? Screw them. I feel zero guilt, and don't think they deserve a single red cent of our tax dollars nor any free land that white man can't enter or enforce laws on.
 
Shit, Woodie got enough credit for his folk music. What I want to see is Arlo's "Alice's Restaurant Masacree" in an inauguration.

Maybe put the fucking fire water down and go to an AA meeting or something.
There is actually an entire branch of AA developed by Indians for Indians: NAIGAA. They have slightly different steps, and different literature that they read from.
 
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