Culture Your Asian representation is not my Asian representation

The Wellesley News (Archive) - September 29, 2021
by, Maryam Ahmad

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I am Indian American and Muslim. Am I Asian to you?

Honestly, I’m barely Asian to myself. I think of myself as Indian first, but when people say “Asian,” it always takes me a second to realize, “Oh, that’s me, too.” “Asian” is a label that I did not think applied to me. But over time, it started to nag at me when people referred to Asians but didn’t mean my Asian.

This has been especially true for the conversations around “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings” and what the film does for Asian representation on-screen. “Shang-Chi” is being heralded as a groundbreaking win for Asian Americans’ representation, and it is. This is the first Marvel film with an Asian American lead, and not only is he Asian, he’s a superhero. He’s not the typical Asian, the awkward nerd. He’s strong and confident and refreshingly witty.

So it is absolutely valid to say that “Shang-Chi” is a win for representation, since the movie helps us break out of stereotypes that have stuck around for far too long. Many people have also lauded “Shang-Chi” as a welcome opportunity for celebration of their culture, especially in wake of anti-Asian hate during the pandemic.

Stop AAPI Hate reported more than 9,000 hate incidents from March 2020 to June 2021. This wave of hatred and harassment has taken a toll on many Asian Americans’ mental health as well, especially after incidents like the shootings in Atlanta on March 16, 2021, where eight people, six of which were Asian women, were killed.

But that hate was directed to a specific kind of Asian American. Not the ones who look like me. Of course Shang-Chi is going to be a welcome change from how horribly they have been treated, but it’s not for all Asians. And it shouldn’t have to be.

Although the conversation surrounding “Shang-Chi” left something to be desired, the film certainly did not. “Shang-Chi” followed its titular character (played by Simu Liu) and his reluctant journey home to his estranged father, who trained him to be a ruthless killer, along with some nail-biting action scenes and fantastical visuals (there’s a dragon).

Personally, I think the film was one of Marvel’s best. There was a healthy balance between the fast-paced action and the emotional story of the family’s grief for Jiang Li, and how it impacted them all, even driving Wenwu, a calculating warlord, to near-insanity in his denial of her death. A stand-out in the film for me was Shang-Chi’s sister, Xialing (Meng’er Zhang), who built her own fighting ring and empire after realizing that her father was not going to look at her with the same pride as he did his son. The film also draws on Chinese mythology and traditions. Shang-Chi and most of the main cast often switch between Mandarin and English with an ease that many of us who are between two cultures will understand.

There are definitely moments and emotions that I relate to in the movie. The nosy relatives, the expectations of our families to make something of ourselves, and even the practice of taking our shoes off before entering the house. But this film was not meant for me, it was meant for those who will look at Shang-Chi and see themselves. That can include Chinese Americans, East Asian Americans and Southeast Asian Americans, too.

Time and time again, people have used the phrase “Asians are not a monolith.” Asia is the most populous continent and consists of 49 countries with so many different cultures, languages and people. Technically, the Middle East is West Asia. I don’t know if there are any Arab or Middle Eastern people who feel necessarily represented by “Shang-Chi.” And that’s ok.

“Shang-Chi” is a win for Asian representation, simply because of the scarcity of Asian stories on screen in the first place. The entire Asian American community, numbering more than 20 million, is so starved for stories of our own that we herald a movie that is targeted to a specific kind of Asian as a step forward for all of us.

There are, however, caveats to how this film contributes to representation of the Asian American community. Awkwafina, who plays Katy, has been accused of appropriating Black culture through speaking with a “blaccent.” Simu Liu has also skirted controversy recently, with screenshots of his alleged old Reddit posts circulating online. In 2020, he faced criticism for deleting a tweet from 2018 expressing concern about Mark Wahlberg, a fellow actor, for asking courts to grant him a pardon after having been found guilty for violating the civil rights of three Black children in 1986. Liu deleted the tweet, and subsequently, news broke of his new project: a film titled Arthur the King, also starring Mark Wahlberg.

Indian Americans are the second-largest group in the Asian American community. Kunal Dudhekar, an Indian American actor, plays John in the movie, one of Katy and Shang-Chi’s friends who appears in two scenes of a two-hour long movie.

All potential Asian representation should not depend on one film, but we are so lacking in representation whatsoever, that “Shang-Chi” is the best Asian Americans have gotten. Success at the box office should not depend on this one movie, but we have been conditioned to think that way.

But more representation for different kinds of Asians, especially South Asians, is on the way. Marvel’s next film, “Eternals,” will star Kumail Nanjiani, as a superhero himself. On Disney+, Ms. Marvel, a series about the titular superhero, a Pakistani American Muslim teenager, will be coming soon too.

Shang-Chi is groundbreaking, to an extent. There will be many Asian Americans who see themselves in his story, and they deserve it. But it is not for all of us, and it shouldn’t have to be.

After all, Asian Americans are not a monolith.
 
Lol, why would Asian Americans want to be represented by capeshit, especially when for the past 35 some so years, anime, manga, video games, and Bruce Lee and Sho Kosugi and Ming Na and other Asian American actors exist?

If I was Asian American, I'd rather stick with that than the literal cucked out embodiment of moral and political whitewashing as all powerful gary and mare sue yes men that has kowtowed to censorship and creative and cultural suppression for ages to be nothing but sockpuppets for droning realpolitik bullshit and self absorbed fuckery.

Maybe if Asian Americans embraced and understood their heritage more, they'd realize the whole "mystical warrior" thing is more underlying, subjective/open to interpretation and spiritual than literal and is better than whatever is being put out by a company that had a literal white as snow weeaboo masqurade as a Japanese man for a full decade and has an actor who advocates pedophilia and shits on what art what got it to be big in the first place.

Oh, this was written by an Indian dude? Worry about your side of the world, thanks.
 
Representation is an unachievable goal, these people cannot see that "true" representation of themselves mean, in the context of consumer goods, that everyone else on the planet has been excluded from enjoyment and, all you've done, is effectively created a clone of yourself and charged people to watch it, when they can still watch YOU for free.

Why bother?
 
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i think the problem with representation for asians is straight up lack of numbers.
white americans are 56% of the puplulation. hispanics are like 30% and blacks are 13ish percent.
the hispanic numbers are probably wrong because they all add up to 99%.
but even if only 5% of the population is asian or something.
that still splits the demographics between types of asians.
chinese, japanese, korean and vietnamese are probably the highest frequency of asian in america and take up the majority of that percentage and its followed by everything else. which includes indians and pakistanis. basically like less than 1% of the population is probably pakistani. also most are geered towards persuits that arent artistic so not too many qualified actors.
 
isn't the solution to just. . .

buy the Marvel comics when the indian and/or pakistani heroes star/guest star in them? Kamala Khan's the only notable published one but they've been slowly pushing the new Indian Giant-Man in Agents of Atlas books.
 
Representation is an unachievable goal, these people cannot see that "true" representation of themselves mean, in the context of consumer goods, that everyone else on the planet has been excluded from enjoyment and, all you've done, is effectively created a clone of yourself and charged people to watch it, when they can still watch YOU for free.

Why bother?
My two cents include how representation demands you to take the reins and stand out in your own way.

We are still human beings- Beings that have made waves and taken names and done gargantuan, grueling, and insane things for even simple things like food or freedom, or to even become what we want to see in life despite everyone else saying no.

I know I'm making this more overblown than it needs to be, but if you don't even bother putting on the grown up clothes and dare to stand up for what you believe in, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. You don't deserve representation if you can't take the reins or the fire of the gods.
 
Look, if *I* have to sit through woketards going on about how some brahmin is the first WOMAN ASIAN AMERICAN VPOTUS, then you have to accept that pajeets are considered Asian. If you don't like it then make your brahmin stop representing Orientals before you REEEEE about how people think of Orientals first.
 
isn't Shang-Chi supposed to be an ethnic chinese guy?
wouldnt he have more in common with Xhong Xina in china, than with Daniel Chang in america?
 
I'm really curious what people from Asian nations (and other countries where a lot of immigrants to the US originate) think when they hear stories like this. I assume it just proves to them that after at most a couple generations everyone is pretty much more or less as American as everyone else here. Sperging this much about "representation" or "identity" seems like a distinctly American trait. People all over the West do it too, but Americans really have our own special brand of obsession with it.

Also who tf hates Asian people? Is this Asian hate stuff all because some idiots beat up some random Asian people because covid or something??
 
I'm really curious what people from Asian nations (and other countries where a lot of immigrants to the US originate) think when they hear stories like this. I assume it just proves to them that after at most a couple generations everyone is pretty much more or less as American as everyone else here. Sperging this much about "representation" or "identity" seems like a distinctly American trait. People all over the West do it too, but Americans really have our own special brand of obsession with it.

Also who tf hates Asian people? Is this Asian hate stuff all because some idiots beat up some random Asian people because covid or something??
Nobody hates asians except other asians. I don't really think of south asians as asian. but my attitudes toward them are american.

Most people I know who move to America are very willing to lose their old "identities" to become american, except maybe for Chinese. Japan and Korea are both differently oppressive / convenient, so I do see some Japanese move back (usually because they're Japanese girls who marry rich weebs). Otherwise, my experience is that Viet, Thai, etc. just move here and try to assimilate.
 
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