Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[ZMOT]

In the case of Sweden, we could wonder if most of the dead people came mainly from the no-go zones in Malmo and Stockholm?

which begs the question if death by grenade while having the coof is still counted as a covid victim...

 

[Silence of the Troons]

Man I love this country http://archive.md/xPi08

The emails that reveal Giesecke's influence over the corona plan (part 1)
"I think the virus will sweep like a storm over Sweden and infect basically everyone in one or two months /.../ I think there are already thousands of infected in Sweden./.../ It all ends when so many become infected and then immune so that the virus has nowhere to go (called 'herd immunity' ”)

It is Friday 13 March and Johan Giesecke has just sent a first analysis to the Third AP Fund. A global pandemic has just gained a foothold in the world and the AP Fund needs to understand in detail how it can affect their investments.

Johan Giesecke has been hired. He has been retired for some time from his job as head of research at the European Agency for Communicable Disease Control and was a state epidemiologist in Sweden between 1995-2005. He accepts the assignment. He is fast, quick in thought, sometimes a little drastic in his analysis.

Among epidemiologists, Johan Giesecke is a household name. His network of contacts is large and his status at the Swedish Public Health Agency is high, despite the fact that it was many years since he was employed there. It was Johan Giesecke who once recruited the current director general Johan Carlson as well as state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. In interviews, Giesecke has repeatedly called them "his boys". The authority therefore listens when Giesecke speaks.

Or rather: The top tier of the authority listens.

On Saturday evening, March 14, Johan Giesecke gets an idea. Sweden has just had its first death and the Swedish Public Health Agency has just changed its strategy from stopping the virus, to now reducing its effects. Giesecke emails assistant state epidemiologist Anders Wallensten and head of analysis Lisa Brouwers. Could they set aside some time to visualize his idea? Anders Wallensten answers in the affirmative already on Sunday evening.

Responds too late

But Anders Wallensten's positive answer is too late. Giesecke has already got hold of both the head of analysis Brouwers and got the authority to allocate resources to his project. Which is not a problem at all for Anders Wallensten. Despite the fact that Giesecke at this time is neither contracted nor has any other formal position with the Public Health Agency.

The officials at the Swedish Public Health Agency, on the other hand, are not impressed. In cautious emails, epidemiologist Annasara Carnahan first writes that the curve will be misleading: "Either it fuels fear or it reduces mortality in covid-19". Another of the authority's officials writes: [Regarding mortality, a lot to think about before making such a comparison]

Head of Analysis Lisa Brouwers immediately forwards the comments to Johan Giesecke, who answers the same evening: [Why do investigators / statisticians with you have so many views on how data should be used?]

Why does Johan Giesecke, who has no formal role in the authority, get access to the authority's internal resources and results? Why is internal communication sent to an outsider? Lisa Brouwers says today that she did not start any project, nor does she think she gave Giesecke access.

In an email, she writes: "Johan G has not been given access to either employees or their internal answers to me - I chose to forward answers from employees to him to point out some problems you could see with the analysis proposal".

The graph is never published. But this is only the beginning of Giesecke's journey at the Public Health Agency during the corona pandemic.

"Do you want to work here?"

On March 17, the day after the question about the graph, Johan Giesecke receives an email from Anders Tegnell. It is concise, as it almost always is when Tegnell emails. A few words, often without punctuation or commas. This time, the message is only in the subject line. [Do you want to work here?]

Johan Giesecke answers within half an hour.

[Why not?]

Worked for the Third AP Fund and FHM - at the same time

A contract begins to be drawn up and Giesecke announces that he can formally start work the following Monday. Meanwhile, Giesecke continues other assignments. The very next day, he writes a knowledge base for the Third AP Fund's CEO Kerstin Hessius and on Sunday he even participates in a debate in SVT's Agenda - with Hessius. A debate where Giesecke is orally contracted by both the Third AP Fund - and the Public Health Agency, something that DN has previously told.

The contract with the Third AP Fund will not end until Monday morning, five minutes to nine. Then Giesecke writes an email to the AP Fund and wants to end his contract.

The dismissal does not fall into place and the AP Fund points out that "oral agreements also apply" and that "It would have been nice to have a line that it is a pity that it is like this". This will not be the last time Giesecke steps on anyone's toes.

"Something patriotic"

When Giesecke now begins his work at the Public Health Agency, he is in his natural habitat. He is frequently hired by all of Sweden's media, SVT Aktuellt sends booking requests for several days and weeks in a row. Giesecke stands up for almost everything and has a huge impact both nationally and internationally. He's becoming a celebrity.

Receives offers for book contracts (says no) and an invitation to become a national day speaker in Södertälje (says yes). The latter he passes on to Anders Tegnell.

[What will you say?] [Something patriotic]

It's a good atmosphere. As it can be between colleagues who are welded together during major crises. These are the most important projects of their careers and the eyes of the world are on them.

The first week on the job, Giesecke invoices 50 hours in eight working days. The crisis is not taking a break. On a Friday night after dinner and a glass of wine, Giesecke gets a whim about school closures. It is sent directly to Tegnell and CEO Johan Carlson.

An hour later that evening, Giesecke sends a message to Preben Aavitsland, at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health regarding an article in Dagbladet. Norway is doing wrong, says Giesecke.

The mood is like that. Johan Giesecke is sure that he is right, others are wrong. He enjoys the attention. Sends the music video that Dr Alban made to Anders Tegnell, asks "have you seen?".

Johan Giesecke's consulting contract will finally be signed on 12 April. That gives him SEK 1,250 an hour and a maximum of 800 hours. A moderate compensation for a senior consultant, according to industry experts. Giesecke's mission is to "support the unit for analysis", where Lisa Brouwers is unit manager. Furthermore, it states that Giesecke will support the unit "in their work with modeling and analysis of covid-19". But Giesecke emails most with Anders Tegnell. The one Tegnell gets the most emails from during the first months of the pandemic is Johan Giesecke, only beaten by Jan Albert. And the one Tegnell emails most often is Johan Giesecke.

Spells wrong on the declaration of non-compliance

For April, Giesecke invoices 157 hours. In the duty report, he writes that the evenings have been spent participating in SVT Aktuellt and TV4. Anders Tegnell sees and confirms the invoice, according to Giesecke. It will later be revealed that Giesecke cannot invoice the Public Health Agency for participation in the media. It will also be revealed that several newsrooms do not even know that Giesecke has a contract with the authority during his appearances. The news will have a big impact. But that's it. Now is now, and the contract is signed.

No declaration of non-compliance has been made. Such an application must be submitted in order for the authority to be able to determine which possible non-conflicting partners have that may complicate the work. It is not forbidden to have a dispute, but it is important for the authority to know in order to avoid being suspected of conflict situations. Giesecke will not submit one until May. He fills it in carelessly. Even spells his name incorrectly.

In the declaration, previous assignments must be stated. Giesecke does not state the contract with the Third AP Fund. The declaration must also state assignments that a relative or someone in a close relationship has had. Giesecke states no one.

Does not mention the wife

But Johan Giesecke's wife is called Kajsa Giesecke. She is an anesthesiologist and has founded the respiratory hospital Remeo. She no longer owns it, but is still an active board member. Her company was involved in building the field hospital in Älvsjö and when it was never used, she went out on SVT with harsh criticism of the decision.

Johan Giesecke does not mention any of this. But he is generous in helping Kajsa with contacts. One week into his new assignment with the authority, he puts his wife Kajsa together with the right people at Karolinska Institutet, since his wife has contact with financiers with "seriously big money".

According to antitrust expert Folke Johansson, it is not automatically problematic to miss or not state one's antitrust. A consultant may do what the consultant wants and a poorly filled out declaration of non-compliance means the poorest basis for the authority to assess what tasks and meetings a consultant can attend. He is supported by the Public Health Agency's General Counsel Bitte Bråstad.

In June, she asked Giesecke to submit additions. Giesecke has not done that. "I have nothing to add", he commented on the matter in an email in June and developed it later on Di TV.

Today, Giesecke only refers to the General Counsel Bitte Bråstad, who now believes that they have made the assessment that there is no conflict of interest situation. Via the press service, the Swedish Public Health Agency announces that Giesecke is not "involved in any decisions at the agency and is only advisory".

Popular and compared to GW

But all that is only discovered after Giesecke toured the world's fliers. Although Giesecke never made any secret of his contract with the Public Health Agency, most of the media did not know about it. In the Spanish media, his statements receive hundreds of thousands of shares on Facebook. His interview with Lockdown TV gets over 1.3 million views and in India he becomes a recurring topic of conversation. In Sweden he is starting to fall in love with people and is compared to Leif GW. At the same time, he receives criticism, which also reaches Anders Tegnell.

Several react to the fact that Giesecke is over 70 years old, but still bounces around among Sweden's TV studios. His age means that he belongs to the risk group Sweden's strategy wants to protect, even isolate. "I usually say I'm 69 and a half," the 70-and-a-half-year-old Giesecke replies to Dagens industri. But when Tegnell forwards a citizen's worried email about the same thing, Giesecke seeks support in how and if he should respond.

In short, Giesecke evokes emotions. At Tegnell, they are hot, but in neighboring countries, for example, they are annoyed. Frode Forland, Norway's equivalent of Anders Tegnell, has openly shown his irritation that Giesecke's quote that Sweden is doing the right thing, "all other countries are doing the wrong thing". Frode Forland's public comment has been that Giesecke "should be more humble".

A special situation arises when Svenska Dagbladet seeks Tegnell for a comment on precisely this and sends the then as yet unpublished reply to Tegnell. Instead of answering the reporter, Tegnell forwards the quotes to Frode Forland and asks "How do you think about below".

The relationship between Norway and Sweden has long been good and the contact frequent. That is why Forland's comment stands out. Frode Forland emails an answer and copies in Johan Giesecke.

The next day, Johan Giesecke responds with an apology to Forland and Norway.

Forland thanks, and Anders Tegnell follows up. Explains how employed The Public Health Agency feels about the media.

Tegnell's sense of betrayal lingers. One week later, another quote request comes to Tegnell. Frode Forland has once again made a proposal about the Swedish strategy. Tegnell answers laconic that he is still disappointed with Frode because of the criticism of Giesecke.

Tegnell sends a copy of his answer to Johan Giesecke, who immediately answers and thanks.

The same hour, the same day, comes the revelation of Giesecke's contract with the Public Health Agency. The next day it is revealed that he, illegally, invoiced the Public Health Agency for television appearances.

Giesecke disappears from the media spotlight. But not from Tegnell's circle of trust - or email basket. In addition to his wife, Giesecke continues to be the one Tegnell usually sends emails to, even during the summer.

Anders Tegnell has had access to the information in this article before publication.

How would you describe Giesecke's status at the Swedish Public Health Agency and your relationship with him?

- No comment, but in general, of course, personal relationships do not affect our assessments of an authority, but they are based on evidence and experience and the authority's overall assessment.

Was it appropriate for Johan Giesecke to have access to the authority's internal resources and communication?

- Yes, consultation with external experts is ongoing all the time but never has more impact than their relevance. It is always the authority's overall assessment that applies.

Expressen has contacted Johan Giesecke and asked questions about his role and influence on the Public Health Agency's choice of corona strategy and about his and his wife's different commitments, but he has not returned.

Two days later the National Health Agency has chosen to classify some of the e-mails that were featured in this article, most notably Giesecke's "wine e-mail" from March in which he proposed to re-open all schools after the Easter break, and also some other previously unclassified e-mails relating to face masks. http://archive.md/wip/upMfn

The email requested is the so-called "wine email" from the 27/3 from Giesecke to Tegnell / Carlson and FHM's lawyers say that it is not public (anymore - we got it! A few weeks ago

http://archive.md/990ad

Classified Tegnell e-mail
Aftonbladet has also requested an email that Anders Tegnell sent to Mike Catchpole, chief researcher at the EU agency ECDC, and Frode Forland, director of infection control at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health.
The email is about masks and are sent in April - but the Public Health Agency chooses to classify parts of Tegnells email.
Why is it so important to keep it secret?
- You can talk to our lawyers about that. It is they who make those assessments, not me, says Anders Tegnell.
In its decision, the authority refers to foreign secrecy.

Sweden has almost no deaths happening now worth speaking of and the infection rates are dropping.

Not anymore. It's small so far but we've been seeing a slight rise in the amount of cases for the past two weeks, particularly in the 20-29 age group. http://archive.md/vFKzZ

Tegnell: There are no guarantees for anything

Sweden's positive trend may be broken - now the infection among young people is increasing.

At the same time, the high school opens for physical education.

- You have to make sure that you reduce the risks as much as possible, says state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell.

The public health authority had expected a certain increase in the number of virus infections later in the autumn, but already now the curves are starting to creep upwards. And just like in other countries, it is the young people aged 20 to 29 who run the infection.
- It's a bad sign. That's how it started once upon a time. There is a clear risk that it may start to spread in the group which can then spread to other groups who become significantly sicker, Anders Tegnell states during Thursday's press conference.
Disease cases are now increasing among young people. Is it safe to open high schools in that situation?
- There are no guarantees for anything, but we still think it is important that upper secondary schools are allowed to return to some kind of normality, says Anders Tegnell.

- Then you can also make sure that you reduce the risks as much as possible and just like in primary school have different rooms for different occasions and perhaps above all spread out when you start school so that you do not have to meet more than necessary.
Since the beginning of the pandemic, the rules for how upper secondary education can be conducted have changed in stages. This is to provide greater flexibility when it comes to school times and the opportunity to conduct distance learning. The latest offer from the government came in mid-July and means that higher education institutions must adapt their start and end times to public transport in order to avoid congestion on buses, metro and commuter trains. This means that many school leaders are now forced to change schedules and arrangements at the last minute before school starts.
- We are very critical of that, says Matz Nilsson, union chairman of the Swedish School Leaders Association.
- It will be difficult to practice. Many schools set their schedules already in May and now, in the eleventh hour, they have to be thrown again.

The new adaptation, together with the increased spread of infection, worries many teachers, says Matz Nilsson.
- It is precisely among the younger part of the population that the spread of infection increases again.
Matz Nilsson is positive that the schools are now reopening for physical attendance, but believes that this must be done in an orderly manner.
- We are generally happy that we can go back to normal high school education, but these are problems we have presented to the government.
Anders Tegnell does not rule out that an increase in the number of infected people may lead to the teaching being put at a distance again.
- There is already in the regulation that is in place now the opportunity for upper secondary schools to increase the part distance education, so it is probably the first part you could look at, he says.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

>Virus mostly kills the old, the obese, and people with co-morbities

That's not Eugenics, that's just Nature.

 

[coolkille]

In the case of Sweden, we could wonder if most of the dead people came mainly from the no-go zones in Malmo and Stockholm?

According to this article, the excess mortality/deaths among middle-aged persons born in Sweden, EU, Nordic countries or North America is -1%. Excess mortality/deaths for middle-aged persons born in Somalia, Iraq and Syria is 220%. For people aged 65+, the first category has excess mortality/death at 19%, and the second sits at 205%.

which begs the question if death by grenade while having the coof is still counted as a covid victim...

Only in the Public Health Agency's statistics, if the person in question gets grenaded within 30 days of getting a positive test for COVID-19. Nobody has died from a grenade attack this year, anyhow. I think two people have died due to grenades in the last 6 years or so, and one of them died due to his own negligence. Really begs the question.

 

[JosephStalin]

New York’s true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy

Full Article | Archive

It's getting harder to keep a lid on how many people you killed, isn't it Andrew?

The truth will out.

The truth will get on the Internet.

Cuomo's a murderer.


"People are still dying"
Does the nurse realize how normal death is? Like i said months ago it feels like I'm living in a world where the majority of people have never considered their own mortality

@Übertroon - Indeed. Most people don't consider their own mortality, except maybe in passing, until they get that diagnosis of a life-threatening condition. First reaction is to be scared shitless. Second reaction, hopefully, is to defeat it.

Everyone thinks they are tough until they get that diagnosis. Then they realize they aren't tough at all. That's when "strong and resilient" replaces tough. When that happens, you can bear down and start fighting. You may run out of time, but you shall not lose. I know. I been.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

A friend reports that her roommate's sister went for a Covid test, got stuck in line so long she gave up and went home, and still got a positive result on a test she never took. (That is my exact line of contact - lol. I know it matches a rumor on the internet so I pushed for Friend to be precise in the relationship chain.)

 

[Standardized Profile]

I went to a research center to participate in the Moderna mRNA phase III trial this morning. It started out with some paperwork, blood pressure (best she had seen all day), height and weight, etc. Then they stuck the long q-tip up my nose, which wasn't as bad as I've heard. After that they drew some blood. They wanted 7 or 8 vials of the stuff. I'm a blood donor, I've had blood drawn for labs with no problems. The stick and the first few vials were fine, we were chatting and having a good time. You can guess where this is going. A little over halfway through, I had a vasovagal reaction. They, in turn, reacted with extreme concern (but also delight). They stopped the blood and brought an ice pack, my pulse and all that immediately returned to normal, they checked my blood sugar and it was good. I felt fine, other than the embarrassment. I wanted to continue but they booted me from the study.

I am sorry, my friends. I tried to do my part against COVID-19, but I failed.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

My folks are so sure that this nonsense will start to go away post-election, but I don't think they're seeing what I'm seeing. They've dragged out this mask bullshit for so long that it's been successfully ingrained in everyone's minds that having to put useless fabric over your face just for stepping outside is "normal" now. It's infiltrated advertising, it's infiltrated art, it's infiltrated memes, it's infiltrated every fucking little aspect of life so universally that it's not going to end. Especially not now when they're already trying to pull more dystopian shit as I've predicted (complying with the stupid masks was the inch giving for them to take the mile) with "morality pills" and "COVID pass" and fuck knows what other horrors.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

Remember the ventilator shortage? And how the automobile companies were helping to make more of them?
General Motors plans to hand off operational control of ventilator production to Ventec Life Systems, with whom they have been working. "GM and Ventec have so far delivered more than 20,000 ventilators to the U.S. Strategic National Stockpile for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services." They plan to bring that total to 30,000 by the end of August.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2020/08/12/gm-handing-off-ventilator-production-ventec/3353769001/

(archive)

Lansing man dies after being stabbed over a month ago in a mask-related dispute. John Duncan III, 77, was stabbed by Sean Ruis, 43, after an employee at Quality Dairy told Mr. Ruis to wear a mask. Contrary to some earlier reporting, Mr. Duncan did not confront Mr. Ruis, or indeed interact with him at all. Mr. Ruis was shot by police and died at the hospital.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2020/08/10/lansing-man-dies-after-being-stabbed-quality-dairy-mask-dispute/3333509001/

(archive)
I think this makes the fourth corona-related violent death in Michigan, to my knowledge. There's these two, the security guard who got shot in Flint, and a man in Ann Arbor who allegedly killed his roommate.

Busboy will face no charges for falsely claiming to have corona in order to get time off work, causing his restaurant to close down for two days and costing them thousands of dollars. "The Mason County prosecutor said that while the intent to get time off is clear, it cannot be proven he intended to terrorize or frighten his coworkers."

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/08/busboy-who-forced-michigan-restaurant-to-close-by-lying-about-covid-19-diagnosis-wont-be-charged.html

(archive)

 

[Sekirodiealot]

My folks are so sure that this nonsense will start to go away post-election, but I don't think they're seeing what I'm seeing. They've dragged out this mask bullshit for so long that it's been successfully ingrained in everyone's minds that having to put useless fabric over your face just for stepping outside is "normal" now. It's infiltrated advertising, it's infiltrated art, it's infiltrated memes, it's infiltrated every fucking little aspect of life so universally that it's not going to end. Especially not now when they're already trying to pull more dystopian shit as I've predicted (complying with the stupid masks was the inch giving for them to take the mile) with "morality pills" and "COVID pass" and fuck knows what other horrors.

I don't see the mask shit lasting neither. I hear wearing it all the time fucks up people's immune system

 

[Super-Chevy454]

The truth will out.

The truth will get on the Internet.

Cuomo's a murderer.

The sooner the truth will out and get on the internet, the better and that'll screw Cuomo's ambitions for 2024.

 

[deeplyhigh]

I went to a research center to participate in the Moderna mRNA phase III trial this morning. It started out with some paperwork, blood pressure (best she had seen all day), height and weight, etc. Then they stuck the long q-tip up my nose, which wasn't as bad as I've heard. After that they drew some blood. They wanted 7 or 8 vials of the stuff. I'm a blood donor, I've had blood drawn for labs with no problems. The stick and the first few vials were fine, we were chatting and having a good time. You can guess where this is going. A little over halfway through, I had a vasovagal reaction. They, in turn, reacted with extreme concern (but also delight). They stopped the blood and brought an ice pack, my pulse and all that immediately returned to normal, they checked my blood sugar and it was good. I felt fine, other than the embarrassment. I wanted to continue but they booted me from the study.

I am sorry, my friends. I tried to do my part against COVID-19, but I failed.

What made you volunteer for the trials? Especially that one, since it is a unproven method in humans.

 

[It's HK-47]

You're awfully defensive over three inches there, buddy.

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

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You're awfully defensive over three inches there, buddy.

What a fucking reeeeeeeeeeach. Memes are like facebook and the internet and every shiny new thing in the world. Once the boomers discover it, it's not fun anymore

 

[Standardized Profile]

What made you volunteer for the trials? Especially that one, since it is a unproven method in humans.

It sounded fun, and it's the only one in my vicinity. mRNA-1273 has undergone phase I and II human trials. It's safe so far and provokes an immune response. It's protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection in animals, but they can't infect humans with SARS-CoV-2 and dissect them, so they have to get a few thousand human test subjects and set them loose to see if it works in real life.

 

[gangweedfan]

COVID-19’s pathology is extremely complex. Let me start from the beginning.

Stopped reading there. I love your posts but I wish you would spoiler tag them. Then again dont its funny watching people seethe. Never change drain todger.

 

[Übertroon]

According to this article, the excess mortality/deaths among middle-aged persons born in Sweden, EU, Nordic countries or North America is -1%. Excess mortality/deaths for middle-aged persons born in Somalia, Iraq and Syria is 220%. For people aged 65+, the first category has excess mortality/death at 19%, and the second sits at 205%.

I mean, that's quite significant. It means Sweden's status as an outlier in Scandinavia was as many guessed because of its enormous immigrant background population

 

[Terrorist]

Lotta silence from the supposed homeschooling advocates in the republican party. The chance of a lifetime to buck the public school system and you don't take it? No wonder these weaklings lost the culture war. They give up their institutions to the left, completely bitch out when it comes to making alternatives, then when things don't go their way, all they do is whine.

I guess drag queen story hour just isn't the same over Zoom, and our kids need to experience it in person.

 

[Freya]

 

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Lotta silence from the supposed homeschooling advocates in the republican party. The chance of a lifetime to buck the public school system and you don't take it? No wonder these weaklings lost the culture war. They give up their institutions to the left, completely bitch out when it comes to making alternatives, then when things don't go their way, all they do is whine.

I guess drag queen story hour just isn't the same over Zoom, and our kids need to experience it in person.

I don't know what you're talking about, the conservatives I've been watching have been all over Home schooling these past few months. I suspect they're a little worried the left is going to use this as an excuse to try and regulate it. This is, of course, since the left has suddenly been screaming to regulate it lest American kids suddenly find themselves not properly conditioned to believe in leftist bullshit.

There was that amusing as hell tweet thread from a leftist educator openly worrying that parents might be listening in to the bullshit they're trying to teach their kids, and how that's not sporting.

It's not about keeping you safe from the virus.

It's not about keeping others safe from the virus.

It's about making you do something to show that you are submitting to them.