Culture Woke Marvel Eliminates The Punisher Due To "Problematic" Conservative Fan Base - Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property...

A year ago progressive news outlets were calling the idea of the culture war a “right-wing conspiracy theory” that had no basis in reality. Yet, the injection of far-left politics into entertainment media had already started years previous, with noticeable propaganda efforts in movies, streaming television, children's shows and books, even commercial advertising was replete with progressive ideological imagery by 2016 onward.

The goal is relatively obvious – To erase competing ideals and viewpoints while saturating the market with only one political vision; a woke vision. It's called social engineering, and anyone who claims this is not happening in the US today is gaslighting.

Strangely, the American comic book industry has become a major battleground in the culture war, with heroic symbols being increasingly erased or hijacked as vehicles for woke talking points. A vast array of comic book characters are now race-swapped, converted to LGBT or they have had their histories rewritten to make them more “acceptable for modern audiences.” At the same time, they promote everything from BLM, to climate change propaganda, to gender identity politics and anti-gun messaging.

Why would leftists target something as frivolous as comic book heroes? Because pop-culture is first and foremost a playground where children grow up, and by rewriting heroes as social justice crusaders and communists they hope to indoctrinate the next generation.

However, one hero figure in particular is seen as so egregious and so triggering that leftists want him memory-holed altogether – The Punisher.

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The Punisher character (Frank Castle), originally created by writer Gerry Conway in 1974 with artists Ross Andru and John Romita, was a product of a chaotic era; a reaction to the rise of war, stagflation, instability and exploding crime rates in the US. The Punisher's story is a tragedy of a returning military veteran whose family is killed during what seems to be a gangland hit. With federal agencies doing little to arrest the perpetrators, Castle takes matters into his own hands and begins systematically assassinating the criminals.

The concept of citizen crime stopping and vigilantism was becoming popular in the cultural zeitgeist in the 70s, with many people living in metropolitan areas dealing with increasing criminal violence and unreliable government protection. City governments in places like New York were actively restricting gun rights for law abiding people, which only made things easier for criminals.

The same exact conditions are returning to the US today, and debate is boiling once again on vigilantes (just look at the media fury over Kyle Rittenhouse or Daniel Penny). The mainstream left is adamantly opposed to any form of civilian intervention (unless it's Antifa or BLM), while also being adamantly opposed to any intervention by police. In other words, they want to let criminals run wild and then threaten to prosecute anyone who dares to do anything about it.

The Punisher as an icon has been highly popular among conservatives, military veterans and law enforcement officers in recent years. The trademark skull symbol can be found everywhere, with patches, gear and flags sporting the image, often as a representation of citizens taking matters into their own hands. The symbol was also seen at the January 6th protests.

This has made leftists at Marvel Comics livid. They first attempted to make fundamental changes to the character, including a redesign of his popular skull symbol, as well as taking away his guns and giving him swords in 2021. Instead of fighting against criminal organizations, Frank Castle joins with one, violating his fundamental code of ethics.

This month, though, Marvel officially declared the Punisher persona non grata, eliminating the character as readers know him. Did he go out in a blaze of glory? No, in typical woke fashion Frank Castle is captured by progressive heroes, chained up and forced to go through a struggle session in which he is admonished as a murderer and a terrorist. Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property, and then inform him that his lifelong crusade against the criminal underworld was all for nothing.

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The character then “dies” from apparent suicide but the story is left open to his return, just not as the gun-toting hero people know and love.

Marvel writers, including original Punisher creator Gerry Conway, specifically cite the popularity of the character among conservatives as the reason for his virtual elimination. As Newsweek noted, the Punisher was “problematic” for Marvel because conservatives liked him too much. He represents the every-man: He has no superpowers, he's not a billionaire like Batman, but he still fights evil with an immovable will and a lot of guns.

The co-option and erasure of popular heroes (or anti-heroes) is representative of the disturbing politicization of our times. Much like the Cultural Revolution in China, leftist movements in America are systematically tearing down all opposing beliefs from our cultural catalog, and this includes any positive representations of vigilantism. They openly admit why they are doing it; conservatives aren't allowed to be the good guys. They aren't allowed to have heroes. Meaning, if the Punisher was a leftist icon, Marvel would have no problem with him.

 
I've said it in other topics, but I love how woke Marvel people think that The Punisher fans don't "get" him.

No, we got it. That's why we love Punisher MAX the most. You don't need to bring his wife back to life and beat over everyones head that he enjoys all the killing and it's just an excuse. Not only was that very clear in MAX, but the ending of MAX did the beating over the heads thing better. Instead of having Maria come back to life to be a strong independant woman and emasculate him and say all the obvious shit out loud, you had Frank admit to himself it was true and reveal that he took his family to the park that day because he was about to leave them to join black ops group headed by Nick Fury because he couldn't stand civilian life. Yes, this newest thing basically ripped off a decade old idea and just switched the roles.

Of course, MAX also ended with Frank becoming a martyr to poor people and them wearing skulls and fighting back against criminals who prey on them. Can't have normal people standing up for themselves against nig nogs and wip wops in current day Marvel.
Goddamn Punisher MAX was fucking insane.

I don't remember seeing that many dead bodies in a comic since Spawn

You know what is problematic for Marvel? No one buys their garbage and the mouse is about broke.

All these fairies that invaded comics and ruined them are going to be on the breadline where they belong.
Yep. I am not a Marvel enthusiast but I'm pretty sure their comics peaked in the 1980s to the mid 2000s. Similar to DC, whose big stars, Batman and Superman, essentially peaked in the 2000s with All Star Superman and Batman Hush, respectively. Before then they both had great runs with great stories but after those two stories were told, no one really hit that level again. Other characters peaked in the 1980s or 1990s.
Not enough of them will be.

Marvel comics have been failing for possibly my entire fucking life at this point. Definitely at least since around the mid 2000's when you got hacks like Bendis and Quesada in there and started this ball rolling.
For sure and Marvel comics went off the goddamn cliff around 2014 onwards. Insane woke garbage and shitty art and worse stories. Thankfully the good stories and good art are readily available online.... For free.
 
For sure and Marvel comics went off the goddamn cliff around 2014 onwards. Insane woke garbage and shitty art and worse stories. Thankfully the good stories and good art are readily available online.... For free.
To be fair. Marvel has always had way too much woke shit in it. I just picked up a Captain America Epic Collection (Issues 139-159) from the early '70's and there is a ton of nigger shit in it focusing more on the Falcon and militant/oppressed pavement apes than Cap himself. I probably skipped through at least 25% of the whole book.
 
Is there any response from Ennis about this shit? Man both revived and ended the Punisher as a character in his MAX run, easily in my all-time Top 5 of US comics.
I know I'm kind of being a faggot, but for real, if anyone actually wants to see a REAL ending to the Punisher, go Read PunisherMAX #22. You don't really even need to read the events leading up to it.
My nigga. Probably my favourite arc, next to The Slavers.
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I think the Punisher can't really work in modern settings, not to mention how anti-PC his whole character is, so this was an inevitability. Expect Marvel to just axe Frank off soon.
I've said it in other topics, but I love how woke Marvel people think that The Punisher fans don't "get" him.

No, we got it. That's why we love Punisher MAX the most. You don't need to bring his wife back to life and beat over everyones head that he enjoys all the killing and it's just an excuse. Not only was that very clear in MAX, but the ending of MAX did the beating over the heads thing better. Instead of having Maria come back to life to be a strong independant woman and emasculate him and say all the obvious shit out loud, you had Frank admit to himself it was true and reveal that he took his family to the park that day because he was about to leave them to join black ops group headed by Nick Fury because he couldn't stand civilian life. Yes, this newest thing basically ripped off a decade old idea and just switched the roles.

Of course, MAX also ended with Frank becoming a martyr to poor people and them wearing skulls and fighting back against criminals who prey on them. Can't have normal people standing up for themselves against nig nogs and wip wops in current day Marvel.
I know I'm kind of being a faggot, but for real, if anyone actually wants to see a REAL ending to the Punisher, go Read PunisherMAX #22. You don't really even need to read the events leading up to it.

Don't buy it cause fuck Marvel, just use read comic online. Read that shit and remember how much they say nobody "gets it" and how fucking awful the character is because he's a vigilante and remember all the bullshit they've supported and the pieces of shit thye've propped up the past 7 years.

And then put all the bullshit of current year aside, and read the final message from Jason Aaron and get and understanding of why comic book stories need to have a concrete ending.
Great comics, but they had some very weird writing at times, including plenty of schizo stuff Garth Ennis litters in his works.
 
To be fair. Marvel has always had way too much woke shit in it. I just picked up a Captain America Epic Collection (Issues 139-159) from the early '70's and there is a ton of nigger shit in it focusing more on the Falcon and militant/oppressed pavement apes than Cap himself. I probably skipped through at least 25% of the whole book.
People are judging these by comic book standards, not your retarded /pol/-faggot standards. Spoiler warning, the industry was invented and ran by Jews. It's just Jews in the past know how to make entertainment.

I think Marvel dying was started by the stupid things Quesada did, but yeah now the entire thing is fully on fire. Everything people warned about during GamerGate happened three fold. Just let it die I guess. People are even getting tired of the movies at this point.

People need to start boycotting woke nerd shit like they should have from day one. The lack of boycotts let this shit happened. Comic book fans are just fucking weak and were easily co-opted into allowing wolves into the hen house. The argument can be made that Disney doesn't care how well the comics sell, but it can at least be a lesson for others.
 
They're now totally mask off about the fact they're deliberately ruining franchises because they hate their fans. Not even pulling the usual "muh conspiracy theory" shit, just openly admitting it.
 
I think the Punisher can't really work in modern settings, not to mention how anti-PC his whole character is, so this was an inevitability
Make him trans and black (not to be confused with when the Punisher was uh... trans black) and go around shooting chuds and TERFs. Suddenly all the same people who hate Punisher will do a 180.
 
What are the fans going to do, not buy their goyslop?
They don't care if fans never buy their goyslop again. They think Daddy Fink is going to support them forever for churning out garbage. However, as they say, the good times don't last forever. You already are seeing states and countries ban ESG. Disney is close to broke now and rumor has it that they are going to be selling off major franchises and properties in order to get back in the red. Things have also not been going so well for BlackRock thanks to the whole Bud Light controversy and societal backlash towards tranny shit and black washing that Larry Fink is considering retiring "in order to spend more time with his family". Codespeak for "Things aren't going the way I hoped because the fucking goy are fighting back so I'm going to leave before the blame gets put on me."
 
No, we got it. That's why we love Punisher MAX the most. You don't need to bring his wife back to life and beat over everyones head that he enjoys all the killing and it's just an excuse. Not only was that very clear in MAX, but the ending of MAX did the beating over the heads thing better. Instead of having Maria come back to life to be a strong independant woman and emasculate him and say all the obvious shit out loud, you had Frank admit to himself it was true and reveal that he took his family to the park that day because he was about to leave them to join black ops group headed by Nick Fury because he couldn't stand civilian life. Yes, this newest thing basically ripped off a decade old idea and just switched the roles.
I actually didn't like MAX for just this reason. I prefer the idea that Frank does what he does for the same reason Batman does what he does, because he wants to live in a world where someone doesn't have to lose their family because of some criminal shitheads with guns. They just have a different moral viewpoint on killing. Batman was traumatized by the murder of his parents with a gun at a young age, thus he hates killing and he hates guns. But by the time the Punisher lost his family he was already a battle hardened veteran who HAD killed. So he had far less of a problem terminating a motherfucker who he felt either deserved it or was too dangerous to let live.

I absolutely detest the idea pushed by modern day comics that killing the bad people who hurt the innocent is somehow morally wrong. I can understand why most superheroes don't kill, but honestly I hate the way they've started treating those who do. The idea that killing those who would hurt and victimize the innocent with a smile on their faces to permanently end their reign of carnage somehow makes you no better than they are or that killing cannot be righteous and just in certain circumstances just feels like propaganda designed by evil people so we don't drag them out of their houses and put their neck in a noose.

Now that's not to say I want comics where all my favorite superheroes are suddenly all just Frank Castle with a costume and superpowers (we had that in the 90s and it kinda sucked), but I think there needs to be room for heroes like the Punisher because not everyone subscribes to the idea that shooting the criminal in the face because he just murdered an entire family and would do it again in a heartbeat is wrong. And I hate the attempt to wholesale vilify such characters by ascribing selfish motivations to them like MAX did. I also felt like it was a bit too inspired by Rambo, the whole "Vietnam vet can't adapt to civilian life" shit that First Blood did x1000 better.

It's like we cannot acknowledge that a man may actually have good fucking reasons to kill some people.
 
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I actually didn't like MAX for just this reason. I prefer the idea that Frank does what he does for the same reason Batman does what he does, because he wants to live in a world where someone doesn't have to lose their family because of some criminal shitheads with guns.
That is something that Frank tells to someone, which was written by the original writer, Garth Ennis. Jason Aaron, who wrote the series, went all in on Frank just wanting another war to fight and how him making his life exclusively about killing criminals was a way of punishing himself for telling his wife that he wanted her and their children away from his right before they got gunned down.
 
I actually didn't like MAX for just this reason. I prefer the idea that Frank does what he does for the same reason Batman does what he does, because he wants to live in a world where someone doesn't have to lose their family because of some criminal shitheads with guns. They just have a different moral viewpoint on killing. Batman was traumatized by the murder of his parents with a gun at a young age, thus he hates killing and he hates guns. But by the time the Punisher lost his family he was already a battle hardened veteran who HAD killed. So he had far less of a problem terminating a motherfucker who he felt either deserved it or was too dangerous to let live.

I absolutely detest the idea pushed by modern day comics that killing the bad people who hurt the innocent is somehow morally wrong. I can understand why most superheroes don't kill, but honestly I hate the way they've started treating those who do. The idea that killing those who would hurt and victimize the innocent with a smile on their faces to permanently end their reign of carnage somehow makes you no better than they are or that killing cannot be righteous and just in certain circumstances just feels like propaganda designed by evil people so we don't drag them out of their houses and put their neck in a noose.

Now that's not to say I want comics where all my favorite superheroes are suddenly all just Frank Castle with a costume and superpowers (we had that in the 90s and it kinda sucked), but I think there needs to be room for heroes like the Punisher because not everyone subscribes to the idea that shooting the criminal in the face because he just murdered an entire family and would do it again in a heartbeat is wrong. And I hate the attempt to wholesale vilify such characters by ascribing selfish motivations to them like MAX did. I also felt like it was a bit too inspired by Rambo, the whole "Vietnam vet can't adapt to civilian life" shit that First Blood did x1000 better.

It's like we cannot acknowledge that a man may actually have good fucking reasons to kill some people.
I can understand why they would make it so SUPER heroes don't kill because that's entering God complex territory and they have terrifying powers. The Punisher was just a man. He could never attain godhood barring some nonsensical divine trial he was going through to prove he's the incarnation of something or along those lines. Him killing people wasn't the same threat as say Superman or Thor suddenly crossing that line. The conscious threat wasn't the same so it would make sense people like him would be more willing to cross that line.
 
Wait, what? They, including Marvel leadership, decides to kill off a popular franchise and completely destroy it just because "the wrong people liked it"?

What the fucking hell, you destroy profitable and popular IP just to "own the rightwingers"?
This is insane. Does Marvel not like money?
 
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