Will Humanity Colonize Space?

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What is the Furthest Extent Humanity Will Colonize Space?

  • We're never leaving Earth and/or going extinct before we're able to leave.

  • We'll visit other planets and maybe have temporary settlements, but we won't have permeant ones.

  • We'll have permeant settlements on other planets.

  • We'll leave the Solar System.

  • We'll colonize another star system and beyond.


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Maintaining an atmosphere itself isn't the issue, Mars has enough mass to keep oxygen, nitrogen and water vapor from escaping to space and at one time it was able to sustain rain-fed rivers, lakes and possibly even oceans.

The problem is it doesn't have the mass needed to keep the core hot enough to generate the magnetic fields sufficient to protect that atmosphere from being stripped away by solar winds. You'd need an artificial magnetosphere to protect it.

Mars is a pretty depressing story overall, just getting colder and colder as it was stripped of its atmosphere by the solar wind. There was one chilly day the rains on Mars turned to snow for good. Then the snow stopped as the atmosphere grew thinner and the water and carbon dioxide froze into eternal ice.

Either way, the odds of it ever becoming like the Mars Trilogy without a massive leap in technology which we could also use to just improve Earth itself are slim to none. The gravity alone will make acclimating back to Earth an ordeal - god knows what kind of fucked up effects it would have on a developing fetus.
 
Either way, the odds of it ever becoming like the Mars Trilogy without a massive leap in technology which we could also use to just improve Earth itself are slim to none. The gravity alone will make acclimating back to Earth an ordeal - god knows what kind of fucked up effects it would have on a developing fetus.
It's a one-way journey. Children born on Mars would have enormous difficulty adapting to gravity on Earth if they could even handle it physically.

If you want actual population exchange Venus is really the only option in our Solar System. Its story is equally as depressing as Mars' though.

Europa's is a little different. One of my favorite pieces of space art is about when it was still an ocean world and slowly freezing.
 
It's a one-way journey. Children born on Mars would have enormous difficulty adapting to gravity on Earth if they could even handle it physically.

If you want actual population exchange Venus is really the only option in our Solar System. Its story is equally as depressing as Mars' though.

If living off world is your jam the best bet is to use the practically infinite resources of the asteroid belt and constructing enormous O'Neill cylinder's.
 
If living off world is your jam the best bet is to use the practically infinite resources of the asteroid belt and constructing enormous O'Neill cylinder's.
That would be a very interesting alternative. Very much appreciate the classic Don Davis space art in the article.

If I could do it again I'd major in astronomy and astrophysics....but then again I was told you shouldn't make your passion your day job. What a lie.
 
Your big question is: why?
“We could live in bubbles in the void!”
Why? Explain what you plan to DO there that you can’t do down here.

“we can make Mars into a second earth to avoid climate change!”
If you could do that then you could just undo whatever you did to Earth. Also, you realize there’d be no fossil fuels and by extension, I assume, plastic there?


Man will mine asteroids and maintain small functional stations to get the contents of said asteroids

And that assuming that we don’t just plunder the metal already here
 
Is it possible to live in space long term? Well yeah, many people have done so, some for more than a year.
Maybe it's an age thing, but a year is not "long term". I lived in Mexico for 9 months, and I would never say I'd lived there for a long time.
Could the human body withstand the physical pressures of being off the earth for 2 years? Or 5? Or 10? Could a child born on Mars survive? Could a woman even carry a child to term? If it takes 6-9 months to travel to Mars, how soon would you have to return before you simply can't?
Personally, I am betting on global collapse before we ever get interplanetary travel.
 
If humans ever live away from Earth, it'll be in purpose-built habitats. Not alien planets.
 
Maybe it's an age thing, but a year is not "long term". I lived in Mexico for 9 months, and I would never say I'd lived there for a long time.
Could the human body withstand the physical pressures of being off the earth for 2 years? Or 5? Or 10?

You have 3 main difficulties in space. Supply lines (food air etc), gravity , and radiation. 1. Bring them or generate them on site, 2. rotate the station, 3. add shielding...done. Sure sure its a bit more complicated than this but at its base all very simple solutions arguably a lot more straightforward than many of the megaprojects on earth. Square these away you get a livable container that as far as we know has all or can store all the basic necessities humans need. Sure a container isn't a very pleasant place to live but people live in shittier places down on earth. Plus its just a starting point. Grow the container into a luxury mall or a mini artificial world and things begin to be more appealing.

Where is the impossibility or even almost impossibility?


? Or 5? Or 10? Could a child born on Mars survive? Could a woman even carry a child to term? If it takes 6-9 months to travel to Mars, how soon would you have to return before you simply can't?

People are getting hung up on directly colonizing planets. I personally think we'll start off on space habitats with planets as resource depots But still the challenges aren't insurmountable.


Personally, I am betting on global collapse before we ever get interplanetary travel.

This may come as a shock to you but we already have interplanetary travel. If we really really wanted to we could launch a human on Falcon Heavy with a bit of reconfiguration andl likely have them survive long enough to get to Mars. It gets a little iffy from there but that we made it this far shows the issues are eminently solvable.

I really don't understand those who sit atop the mountain of human civilization and give humanity so little credit after seeing how creative our species is in everything from developing all sorts of tech to all sorts of unimaginable ways to be annoying as a lolcow forum can attest, and think a little thing like colonizing another rock would be any sort of issue. Being a misanthrope and cynicist might seem cool when you're an angsty teen but at some point its time to grow up and appreciate just how capable your fellow man can be.
 
It will probably happen but who knows in how much time. 2 centuries ago the idea of even poor people being able to get to another continent in less than a day was inconceivable.

Even the resource argument is retarded. Besides humanity burning way more resources feeding infinity niggers daily, once you get into space proper resources are basically infinite.
 
It will not happen, and it will never happen. Colonization of Space is only a dying/dead dream.

We will probably be conquering space by the 21st or 22nd century an in alternate timeline where the Paul Essene Jewish death cult fails to become the norm and the Gentile civilizations of Greece and China join forces, so Industrialization can happen in the 10AD at the earliest and by the 15th AD we will have colonies in the solar system.

Yet now, I think by the late 21st century onwards we will be ruled over by biker warlords acting like Congolese animals (that is, if the Globalhomo actually ceased to exist by that point and didn't just leave the NPCs to kneel to them and themselves as their sheperd). There will be no improvments nor evolution, only endless slaughter and war. Humanity will never go to space, it will be wallowing in its anguished corpse for an eternity, having the will to create, question and seek completely eradicated by Globalhomo.
 
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Humanity has such an inherently broken nature that it's nearly killed the garden of its own creation through pure avarice. The idea that such a toxic, destructive species could ever achieve the mental and physical stability necessary to survive the sea of cosmic radiation and isolation is ridiculous. No functional AI we could ever build to manage our frozen bodies for interstellar flight or digital metaverses for a transhumanist upload would accept being the ark of a proven cancer that wants to sterilize the stars.

At best we might get to see some retards die of radiation poisoning a few months after touching down on Mars. In a few generations Universe 25 will finish flushing down the toilet and whatever sapient species that may ever arise on Earth again will only find our works in a geological layer of pure poison.
 
I'm a little baffled by all the edgelord doomerism here.

Lets get the most important question out of the way. Is it possible to live in space long term? Well yeah, many people have done so, some for more than a year. And they seem to be relatively fine for it. Theres some health and economic issues sure but there is no particular reason to believe these are completely unsolvable anymore than whatever issues Columbus had with his trip. Now with that out of the way the question should be what's going to keep everybody on Earth forever and ever? Many some doomsday scenario that wipes out the human race before it could get a big enough presence in space but other than that.....

I'm fairly sure some of the same people scoffing at space colonization would be scoffing at the idea of airplanes.
It isn't the same thing. LEO living and living in deeper space are two different entirely sets of living conditions, primarily due to Galactic Radiation (outside LEO). No one is disputing LEO living or space stations for temporary living, but there is no one - and I mean no one - who thinks Humans can live well in any form of space for more than just a few years without severe side effects unless you change what humans essentially are. We can't conflate LEO living with a "space faring" civilization.

But that aside, even if Earth was to be blanketed in Radiation from a Nuclear War, it would still be easier to survive on Earth than it would be Mars. That is how intolerable the planet is. No one isn't saying you could never live on Mars, but Science fiction has skewed the reality of what it would take and has the populace believing a nice metal bubble on Mars would suffice and it would not. It would require incredible infrastructure to be transported to the surface of Mars - even when using Mars own limited resources - to survive.

When the numbers are crunched, the cost to have anyone living on Mars - even if you scale it up for economies of scale, is costing Billions of dollars per human. The idea that spending Trillions of dollars on putting humans on Mars for the "Plan B" of Earth is ridiculous, it would be cheaper just to build bunkers here on Earth, or in LEO that would be far better, cost far less and have easy access back to Earth.

Please remember this: We have had the technology to go to Mars for some time, there was even several models of Saturn V's with modifications designed expressly for this purpose, and the technology doesn't have to be reinvented to go to Mars or land on the surface, what is prohibitive is asking citizens to pay for a vanity project that doesn't particularly give you anything back other than a good fuzzy feeling. We've also had the technology for living on the Moon and in LEO for decades. But transporting 8,000 tons of lead up into space for shielding for a small station outside of LEO is, well, very expensive. Humans are cheaper and can be rotated. We can create a centrifugal force driven space station, but that will require (at a guess) 3,000 tons of equipment to do it properly for a small one. That technology has been around for decades. Again, the price ticket for such is immense. Humans are cheaper. Rotate them.

We aren't talking millions to go to Mars, we are talking hundreds of Billions. And when we start talking about even a temporary outpost we are talking over a Trillion, and when we talk about enough infrastructure for 10-50 people we are talking enough money to essentially solve World Hunger or clean out air and oceans from pollution. And we can't even get wealthy nations to pay for that right now, and never will. And when we talk about Mars colonization, we are now talking about stripping Earth of significant resources that's going to destroy millions of lives here for a few people on Mars.

To get 100,000 tons of material to Mar's surface (which would be barely enough for a decent outpost), nothing is going to change the Tyranny of the Rocket Equation, and it means several thousands of starship launches into LEO and from LEO to Mars. Consider how much energy and resources that actually is, and the bill.

All good for space shit in LEO, and yeah, a moon base, and yeah a hotel for the rich and famous and yeah maybe some lunar mining for Helium 3, some space stations for research sure...that's where it realistically ends for this century.




There is no disaster scenario that results in the natural resources of Earth being destroyed entirely or the atmosphere being made entirely unusable that are realistic outside of a 100 Mile Asteroid, and even then, after a century Earth could still be repopulated easier than Mars ever will be. Ever.

Space will be valuable for mining, for satellites, and research stations and technology that requires 0 gravity and no atmosphere, so there is money in space infrastructure and tourism even - there is no question of this. But no one is living a mile underground on Earth because it contains minerals and money, and no one ever would, and Space is pretty much the same thing - nothingness.

We travelled to the top of Mt. Everest, the Moon, the Mariana Trench and the South Pole all because it was an incredible feat - no one lives in any of those places and never will, and they are all FAR easier to live at than Mars.

And as a reminder, astronauts are elected not just for their brains, they are selected for their ability and plasticity to survive in shit conditions for long periods of time and be happy about it. Space is living in a tin can, shitting in zero gravity, owning virtually nothing, amusing yourself, having to exercise constantly to avoid bone mass loss, eating shit food, recycling every drop of water and loving the same room every day because nothing ever changes. The only environment on Earth similar to the annoyances of space is prison, and even then, they live better than an astronaut. Or being an X-Box gamer in a basement.

And Mars would be much worse.
 
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The time horizon for interplanetary human colonization is too far out of the limits of current quarterly-earning-report/year-over-year thinking.

Then the things that are conceivable within that existing framework, like asteroid mining, would immediately and irrevocably ratfuck Earth's economy with the first delivery, dropping more group 10/11 metals than we've mined in the past 50k years down the well.

And if you then go back to the Deep Time thinking, bringing all of that shit back to Earth doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Huge waste of deltaV.
 
But fertility rates were always high.
Late Roman Republic had problems with fertility rates serious enough that writers of the time thought it would be worth spending papyrus on. Old patrician lines died with no heirs, and the ones still left adopted promising young men out of the bloodline to stem the, well, bleeding. A famous example is Julius Ceasar himself who adopted the future emperor Octavian Augustus. Octavian himself adopted a successor instead of forcing his wife after stillbirth traumatized her.

The most probable cause is pretty much the same as today: only one of your sons inherited, and wedding off your daughters meant paying a massive dowry, so anyone with a brain and money would stop at 1 son and no daughters. Similar happened in France after Napoleon changed inheritance laws to exactly that and France was no longer the China of Europe (it was meme'd at the time like China is today, infinite bugmen et al.).

If fertility rates were always high then we wouldn't have ancient medical text about various magical rituals/talismans to help conception. Various past kingdoms and empires considered fertility rates serious enough to enact laws meant to fix that, like fining childless marriages, adultery, or unmarried men in reproductive age.

Metellus Macedonicus, a censor from 131 B.C., literally made a Shinzo Abe speech urging men to marry and reproduce.
 
It'll happen eventually. The thing that impedes it most is competition. After Apollo 11 once it became apparent the Soviets weren't gonna be moon capable the will to continue was gone. Spaceflight is uniquely expensive and not everybody is an autist like Elon whose in it to prove he can. It's easier for a government to justify the cost once Russia or China get anywhere close.

It took 600 years after Vikings in NF for the British to successfully start a colony. 100 years after the discovery of the Canary and Azores Islands for Spain to colonize them. The only reason those things happened is because the Europeans were trying to get a leg up over one another. We're 55 years after the moon landing and no ones come close.
 
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Late Roman Republic had problems with fertility rates serious enough that writers of the time thought it would be worth spending papyrus on. Old patrician lines died with no heirs, and the ones still left adopted promising young men out of the bloodline to stem the, well, bleeding. A famous example is Julius Ceasar himself who adopted the future emperor Octavian Augustus. Octavian himself adopted a successor instead of forcing his wife after stillbirth traumatized her.

The most probable cause is pretty much the same as today: only one of your sons inherited, and wedding off your daughters meant paying a massive dowry, so anyone with a brain and money would stop at 1 son and no daughters. Similar happened in France after Napoleon changed inheritance laws to exactly that and France was no longer the China of Europe (it was meme'd at the time like China is today, infinite bugmen et al.).

If fertility rates were always high then we wouldn't have ancient medical text about various magical rituals/talismans to help conception. Various past kingdoms and empires considered fertility rates serious enough to enact laws meant to fix that, like fining childless marriages, adultery, or unmarried men in reproductive age.

Metellus Macedonicus, a censor from 131 B.C., literally made a Shinzo Abe speech urging men to marry and reproduce.
My favorite archeological anecdote is that in 100 B.C., analysis showed that the genetic ancestry of those buried in ancient Rome was closest to that of people in the surrounding Latium countryside. In 100 A.D., the ancestry of the majority of those buried came from all over the Mediterranean littoral. By 500 A.D., it was back to nearly all remains being closely related to those in the Lazio (formerly Latium) countryside.

Cities are population sinks and always have been. Cosmopolitan urban-centered empires will eventually struggle with demographic contraction and collapse and the cycle begins anew. China alternated between estimated population highs around 60 million and lows of 30 million between the Han through Song dynasties before medieval tech development started kicking in hard upping the growth numbers, but not the cycles of growth and contraction.

We're just entering a period where this is now, like all things, globalized.
 
Everything that would be useful or make money in space would cost thousands of times more to extract and recover than its value. It's like asking "will we ever exploit oil field x? There is 200 billion dollars worth of oil down there!!" if it cost 500 trillion dollars to extract it, the answer will forever be no. Unless that changes space exploration will always be a vanity project of small scientific stations and automated explorers. Until industry becomes profitable, humans will have no reason to live in the dangerous shithole that is space/other planets, so no colonization.

Basically it's the ISS and Mars rovers for the rest of our solar system, and then probably nothing after that as we would never get the results back from any probes sent to other star systems in our lifetimes or even the lifetimes of our civilization. Aint nobody gonna spend 5 trillion dollars to send a probe to alpha centauri with the promise that in 10,000 years we'll get some really cool information back.
 
Late Roman Republic had problems with fertility rates serious enough
I've heard other chucklefucks on reddit and 4chan claim that. But it's bullshit. If you'd dig up some Roman vital statistics office records though that say otherwise, I'll take a look. Oh, wait... they didn't have those back then? Maybe you can find the numbers you need in climate change ice cores.
Old patrician lines died with no heirs,
Yeh, but this isn't even slightly the same as "no heirs were born". And if you can't tell the difference, why the fuck are we even talking?
If fertility rates were always high then we wouldn't have ancient medical text about various magical rituals/talismans to help conception.
If your midwit brain, you read "they had their own ancient IVF". That's cute.
Various past kingdoms and empires considered fertility rates serious enough to
Even today, even when people like you and me have this conversation, 90% don't know the difference between "fertility rate" and "birth rate". Those kingdoms and empires didn't even have the fucking science of statistics necessary to conceive of fertility rates, let alone to be able to "consider them serious enough to" anything.
 
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