Why isn’t Chinese culture spreading? - Ching ling ding dong

[StMaryPiper]

With Chinese dominating the world financially why aren’t they using their influence to dominate the world culturally? You see tons of shit made in China but they’re never Chinese oriented. Chinese media can occasionally slip through the cracks but it’s mostly American entertainment with Chinese characteristics. Why not go for the throat and make the world Chinese oriented like how Americans did roughly a century ago?

 

[Chongqing]

Chinese culture post 1950 is all about copying western ideas. Even communism itself is a western idea.

You do see some parts of it spreading, however, like how face culture has found its way into American business.

 

[Haffhart]

First, America is riding off the millenia-long momentum of Western Civilization itself. America is like the latest heir to a dynasty that's ruled for centuries, while China is like a charismatic dictator whose regime has mere decades to live.

Second, linguists agree Chinese is the hardest in the world. It's written with random highly complex emojis, a simple sound can have dozens of meanings depending on how it's said, and it's unrelated to the world's most important languages which are all Western. That makes it hard for them to export their culture.

Third, they don't want to export their culture. They don't have the European's expansionist drive that lead to everything from the Crusades and colonialism to Star Trek and Minecraft. Chinese culture is self-centered - not expansionist. The Chinese think they're the Third Kingdom between heaven and the barbarian hordes, who only matter when they try to overun the Kingdom, as long as it survives and thrives their higher needs are met. That's why today's China is a mercantile empire, closer to the Dutch than the rampaging Mongols or Brits.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

It is. At least among zoomers
The kids nowadays all love their Tick-Tacks and their Genshit Impacts

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

Gross no thank you.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

You're making the assumption that China even has a culture.

 

[Moths]

their style is food popular. like anything else the general populace will just pick and choose the attractive and easy-to-consume aspects of a culture and discard the rest

 

[rel=alternate]

Chinese people are just not interested in the vanity that comes with spreading their culture to strangers.

On the contrary, they are much closer to Jews in that sense. They appreciate the exclusivity, they trust their own more than outsiders. A lot are quite racist. No matter how integrated they appear to be in society, Chinese businesses are ran very differently from western ones, wherever they are.

And anyway, if you want to get into a new market, it's always a good strategy to adapt yourself to locals' tastes. There are many companies who tried to simply transpose a business model from one country to another and failed miserably. If you compete on an existing market, you need to cater to existing tastes first, introduce novelty progressively.

Chinese companies are more pragmatic, they don't seek to influence you through products. They pursue silent controlling stakes in multiple companies, you won't see them coming.

 

[SNU]

I don't know if it's still a thing but 10-20 years ago there were people who were really into chinese culture. Kung fu was their entry into it but soon they'd start cherry picking other things from China to incorporate into their life. They'd read about some Chinese custom and think "woah that's so cool! Im gonna do that and everyone will think im so cool" and start acting like theyre a wise kung-fu warrior monk. They'd teach themselves kung-fu from a book, read sun tzu, talk about chi energy, and gush about Chinese tradition.

But much like weaboos, they ended up acting like a caricature of what they thought that culture was.

 

[Chongqing]

On the contrary, they are much closer to Jews in that sense. They appreciate the exclusivity, they trust their own more than outsiders. A lot are quite racist. No matter how integrated they appear to be in society, Chinese businesses are ran very differently from western ones, wherever they are.

It's interesting you point this out because, not only are they similar, but Chinese people prefer Jews and have a kind of hilarious outsider view of Jews being the most powerful people in the West. If you're a white American and you go to China, a lot of people will want to know if you're Jewish. I think the YouTuber Laowhy86 said his wife's parents asked him if he was Jewish the first time he met them and they were disappointed he was Catholic.

They also admire Hitler for his leadership. If you're German, they might give you Roman solute when they find out your nationality.

In New York City, the Chinese people there looked to Jewish groups for help and advice when black on Asian violence spiked in 2020, there's a lot of articles about it.

Anyway, Chinese and Jews. A strange pairing but a pairing nonetheless.

 

[Claude Sigma]

I live in Asia and everyone thinks the same: modern China has no culture.
Because of the communist revolution and the cultural revolution of the 20th century, the ancient culture has been obliterated, the religions have been decimated, ancestral practices like ancestor worship have been repressed in a systemic fashion, etc.

If you are asked to think about "Chinese culture", you will think about historic stuff that's from the Three Kingdoms era, which does not exist today. It's like talking about knights in armor for Europe and samurai and ninjas for Japan.

Current China has no culture. They have no real allowed religion and are led to do what is considered the most productive and successful thing, they don't innovate, they copy and adapt to the local market.
Their music is a copy of K-pop, their movies are either American movies or copies of, etc. They're in a cultural drought and have been for almost a century. They have no cultural ideas or original content to export.

 

[regginknurd]

"Culture" lol

Non-chingchong specific, but
asian culture is spilling over into the spergers and regular folk alike in the US. Seeing that some gook N'sync knock off band has made an impact (among our goth replacement holes) and seeing how much nignogs love anime, the slanty-eye foe has started to make their actual cultural impact.

 

[A-Stump]

China's culture isn't spreading? Someone clearly doesn't know what Tencent is and just how massive of a reach they have and the ability to influence opinions through censorship. Hell how China has the western world of media by the balls. Disney, Blizzard, et cetera all have to kowtow to China so media we have is definitely under the weight of the CCP

 

[silksky]

If we're talking about Chinese pop culture and whatnot, it's largely because of the walled-off nature of the Chinese internet. China blocks most foregin media and their domestic alternatives don't usually have international versions. No cultural exchange occurs and because of this China isn't able to become "cool" in the same way the other cultural powers have been able to.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

China Derrangement Syndrome is very prominent in the West, OP

 

[Day Drinking]

Bug men do not have a culture. They are a hive mind and live only to serve.

 

[I (Don't) Have A Gun]

Sinofication is a slow process, but an effective one. China has been doing it for hundred of years and is doing it to this day still. It's only very recently that China has been exerting soft power (what westerners would consider spreading of culture) and it's mostly been in the third world, but in truth the goal there wasn't ever to make places like Africa into China but rather to turn them into vasal states.

If you want to see how China really goes about making places Chinese look at what they're ding to the Uyghurs or what they did to Taiwan. Remember only 2% of the Taiwanese population is indigenous Taiwanese.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

They don't have enough dirt Democrats and RINOs under their thumb yet.

 

[Toolbox]

You're making the assumption that China even has a culture.

They themselves nuked whatever culture they had during the great fall backwards. There's a reason they have been nothing but scrambling imitators in the modern day.

 

[quackrock]

Chinese people prefer Jews and have a kind of hilarious outsider view of Jews being the most powerful people in the West.

Yeah, hilarious