Why is Brazil so black? - (not really a "deep thought")

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All I know is that they outlawed slavery in the 1880s. So I assume they imported plenty of blacks from Africa, just like the US did.

Wikipedia (yeah, I know) says that in 2022 it was 43.46% white, 45.34% mixed and 10.17% black.
 
Yes. 40% of all Atlantic Slave Trade traffic was to Brazil. 10% was to America.
All I know is that they outlawed slavery in the 1880s. So I assume they imported plenty of blacks from Africa, just like the US did.

Brazil actually used to be much blacker than it is now. As part of abolishing slavery the Brazilian government passed a freedom from the womb law. Basically people would stay enslaved, but their kids would be free people.
This resulted in slave owners discouraging reproduction and forcing enslaved women to get abortions. No new slaves were being imported, but they were still expected to do brutal plantation work so it was actually an especially terrible time to be a slave. Afro-Brazilians had negative population growth as the last slaves were squeezed for their last labor.

After ending slavery and becoming a republic Brazil began a massive "whitening" effort that involved bringing in lots of Europeans and reclassifying people previously considered indigenous to be white.

They went from being 30% black to just being 10% black like the USA. However, many darker skinned Brazilians consider themselves white which skews these numbers.
 
Brazil actually used to be much blacker than it is now. As part of abolishing slavery the Brazilian government passed a freedom from the womb law. Basically people would stay enslaved, but their kids would be free people.
This resulted in slave owners discouraging reproduction and forcing enslaved women to get abortions. No new slaves were being imported, but they were still expected to do brutal plantation work so it was actually an especially terrible time to be a slave. Afro-Brazilians had negative population growth as the last slaves were squeezed for their last labor.

After ending slavery and becoming a republic Brazil began a massive "whitening" effort that involved bringing in lots of Europeans and reclassifying people previously considered indigenous to be white.

They went from being 30% black to just being 10% black like the USA. However, many darker skinned Brazilians consider themselves white which skews these numbers.
America used to be blacker too.
South because that's where they all lived before abolition.
The North back before mass immigration. Had slavery in every colony and some states had sizable Black populations you wouldn't think of now; I think New York had something like 10% Black. The old old colonial stock Black Yankees became a drop in the bucket as endless Europeans flooded in over the 1800s.

Edit: I mean they were all over, the flood of Europeans made their share fall in the North even though the absolute numbers didn't really go down, then they didn't go North in masses from the South (leaving the South Whiter as the North got Blacker) until the 1910s.
 
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Brazil actually used to be much blacker than it is now. As part of abolishing slavery the Brazilian government passed a freedom from the womb law. Basically people would stay enslaved, but their kids would be free people.
This resulted in slave owners discouraging reproduction and forcing enslaved women to get abortions. No new slaves were being imported, but they were still expected to do brutal plantation work so it was actually an especially terrible time to be a slave. Afro-Brazilians had negative population growth as the last slaves were squeezed for their last labor.

After ending slavery and becoming a republic Brazil began a massive "whitening" effort that involved bringing in lots of Europeans and reclassifying people previously considered indigenous to be white.

They went from being 30% black to just being 10% black like the USA. However, many darker skinned Brazilians consider themselves white which skews these numbers.
Interesting. Does the number of blacks have anything to do with Brazil being the only country with Portuguese as the main native language in South America? I wonder if it's just a coincidence. Again, I don't know anything about that country. Just trying to connect the dots.
 
Does the number of blacks have anything to do with Brazil being the only country with Portuguese as the main native language in South America?
Kinda? Portugal had much bigger colonies in Africa, so it had an easier time exporting blacks, while for Spain, the population transfer was shared between dozens of countries.
The Caribbean islands received the most slaves as a % of the population, thanks to their native population being much smaller after the European plagues, and the outlawing of enslaving natives.
Besides, as the others said, the plantation work was deadly.
 
Its kind of ironic how many more blacks would be around in the US and other New World countries if the slave owners and other forces that modern White supremacists and 8chan edgelords worship had their way.
Yup, basically another Brazil in the north.

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Interesting. Does the number of blacks have anything to do with Brazil being the only country with Portuguese as the main native language in South America? I wonder if it's just a coincidence. Again, I don't know anything about that country. Just trying to connect the dots.

Spain made more money from gold mines in Mexico and Peru so more resources were dedicated to that. These areas had huge indigenous populations who had already been reduced to serfdom.

Spain was also just poorly organized and corrupt. Once the gold ran low they actually began to lose money on their empire. The rampant piracy specifically targeting them did not help.

In the eighteenth century the Bourbons got Spain and tried to make the empire profitable. They ended the piracy with an agreement and asserted more control over the empire. These "Bourbon Reforms' worked but lead to rebellions as native leaders and local whites lost alot of privileges. At this point the demographics and slave centers were already established.

France, Portugal and England basically decided to take one area each and hyper focus on that to scale up plantation wealth. Jamaica, Haiti, and Brazil got more slaves as a result.
 
Idk, but Brazil has the best hitman videos on the internet
 
Its kind of ironic how many more blacks would be around in the US and other New World countries if the slave owners and other forces that modern White supremacists and 8chan edgelords worship had their way.
Depends on when you're breaking the alt-history off from. If the US is founded as a total slaver paradise: yes.

If you basically just grant the southerners their desire to have western slave states, though: no.

Importation of new slaves was already banned at the foundation of the united states, so you'd have the same seed population of blacks. The difference would basically boil down to how long does slavery end up lasting before mechanization outmodes it (i'd guess 1880s or 1890s), and where are the blacks?

In a southern-concession situation, the southwest and california would be blacker, the south would be black, but not as black as it is now since they would have sent their blacks west, and the great migration would have either never occurred or occurred to a lesser degree, so northern and midwestern cities wouldn't have as large of a black population.

Without the rapid disruption of the great migration, you'd probably end up with a more harmonious society overall, since there would be less economic resentment of blacks, and less urban decay after the blacks get economically rug-pulled after WWII.

EDIT: Without the great migration causing the disruption of white flight and suburbanization, though, we'd probably have much greater difficulty integrating the Irish and Italians.
 
Spain made more money from gold mines in Mexico and Peru so more resources were dedicated to that. These areas had huge indigenous populations who had already been reduced to serfdom.

Spain was also just poorly organized and corrupt. Once the gold ran low they actually began to lose money on their empire. The rampant piracy specifically targeting them did not help.

In the eighteenth century the Bourbons got Spain and tried to make the empire profitable. They ended the piracy with an agreement and asserted more control over the empire. These "Bourbon Reforms' worked but lead to rebellions as native leaders and local whites lost alot of privileges. At this point the demographics and slave centers were already established.

France, Portugal and England basically decided to take one area each and hyper focus on that to scale up plantation wealth. Jamaica, Haiti, and Brazil got more slaves as a result.
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Brazil actually used to be much blacker than it is now. As part of abolishing slavery the Brazilian government passed a freedom from the womb law. Basically people would stay enslaved, but their kids would be free people.
This resulted in slave owners discouraging reproduction and forcing enslaved women to get abortions. No new slaves were being imported, but they were still expected to do brutal plantation work so it was actually an especially terrible time to be a slave. Afro-Brazilians had negative population growth as the last slaves were squeezed for their last labor.

After ending slavery and becoming a republic Brazil began a massive "whitening" effort that involved bringing in lots of Europeans and reclassifying people previously considered indigenous to be white.

They went from being 30% black to just being 10% black like the USA. However, many darker skinned Brazilians consider themselves white which skews these numbers.
Idk from my experience the country is not as black as both for stereotypes among foreigners (from movies to the internet due to how brazilian posters are hated for their stupidity) and international propaganda portrays. Many of those mixed are closer to indigenous + european than mulatto, although it's a big and indeed diverse country.
It also goes both ways with many people closer to Southern Europeans like Italians or Iberians classifying themselves as mixed.
 
Depends on when you're breaking the alt-history off from. If the US is founded as a total slaver paradise: yes.

If you basically just grant the southerners their desire to have western slave states, though: no.

Importation of new slaves was already banned at the foundation of the united states, so you'd have the same seed population of blacks. The difference would basically boil down to how long does slavery end up lasting before mechanization outmodes it (i'd guess 1880s or 1890s), and where are the blacks?

In a southern-concession situation, the southwest and california would be blacker, the south would be black, but not as black as it is now since they would have sent their blacks west, and the great migration would have either never occurred or occurred to a lesser degree, so northern and midwestern cities wouldn't have as large of a black population.

Without the rapid disruption of the great migration, you'd probably end up with a more harmonious society overall, since there would be less economic resentment of blacks, and less urban decay after the blacks get economically rug-pulled after WWII.

EDIT: Without the great migration causing the disruption of white flight and suburbanization, though, we'd probably have much greater difficulty integrating the Irish and Italians.
There’s no guarantee it would have happened, but the lunatic Fire Eater wing was seriously talking about reopening the Atlantic Slave Trade by the time of the War.
 
the lunatic Fire Eater wing was seriously talking about reopening the Atlantic Slave Trade by the time of the War.
Yeah, but given that the Confederate constitution solidified the US ban on importation, I don't think this would be the case. The Fire Eaters certainly shitposted secession into happening, but they don't seem to have had the political power to actually flex, even within the confederacy on that opinion at least.

Jeff Davis himself foresaw the end of slavery in the late 1800s, so I would think if we got a pre-war concession to southern needs, we'd exist under the aegis of the then-standing US constitutional ban on importation, which would lead to all I said above in my prior post.
 
It depends which part of Brazil. Those parts of Brazil that are 100 percent Portuguese, 100% German, 100% Japanese. Weirdly, it's a weird place. Brazil.
There are no such places in Brazil. You have only small parts of cities and towns that are colonial or immigrant themed while the rest of the place is just like everywhere else here and it's actually very unimpressive because they're nothing more than a dollar store imitation of foreign cities.
Idk from my experience the country is not as black as both for stereotypes among foreigners (from movies to the internet due to how brazilian posters are hated for their stupidity) and international propaganda portrays. Many of those mixed are closer to indigenous + european than mulatto, although it's a big and indeed diverse country.
It also goes both ways with many people closer to Southern Europeans like Italians or Iberians classifying themselves as mixed.
Race identity in Brazil is very fucking shoddy for two sole reasons: race mixing and lack of preservation culture.

I might be talking outta my ass but a Black American family, for example, would've keep track of where their ancestors came from as in, "Oh, my great-great-great grandparents were slaves who worked in the cotton fields". Same for White Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, etc. Not to mention these racial groups have been segregated in America for a long time.

Brazilian families rarely keep track or are aware of their ancestors. It would be hard for an average Brazilian person to know about their great-grandparents: who they were, what they used to do, where they came from, how they lived, etc. because there never was an awareness to preserve family documents and rural flight was a big thing in Brazil 'till 30 years ago and some folks from the countryside didn't keep in touch with their relatives back home after leaving for the city.

Family unity here is kind of an imagined thing rather than actual tradition because dysfunctional families here are a dime a dozen. Many disrupted families and relatives who break contact with each other hardly pay any mind to ancestor honoring or anything like that.

Because of this most people can't really know if they have any Black or Indigenous blood in their family so they often assume they have because race mixing has been a thing in Brazilian history since Portuguese settlers first arrived. Aside from the fact that Brazilians go for skin color or facial features to guess one's ancestry which is kinda of an ignorant thing to do.

On top of that, this kind of topic might be discouraged becuase some might understand it as "racism" or whatever while you have a Black version of Nuremberg Race Laws in entrance exams for universities to decide whether someone is Black or not, at the same time they conflate "Black" with "Pardo" (Brown) which is a generic term for a mixed race person, not necessarily having Black ancestry.

"Black" social movements here, which are just a carbon copy of BLM, often use Pardos as a synonym for Black to try and legitimate their "minority" cause, even if Pardos are the biggest racial group in Brazil. It's very fucking asinine.

So, yeah, racial topics are a complete clusterfuck in this country.
 
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Its kind of ironic how many more blacks would be around in the US and other New World countries if the slave owners and other forces that modern White supremacists and 8chan edgelords worship had their way.
Name any other forces. Nazis and Soviets wouldn't have given a shit. Japs neither. Chinks? They find them tiresome.

In fact I doubt any of those would really care what flavour their alt history conquered mutts would be.

British stopped the slave trade prior to the US so that doesn't fly either.

So unless a nigger chimped out and knifed Adolf's dog, Muhdikked Stalin's pipe or stole Mao's sechuan sauce or insulted the Honol of the Japanese Empelol, to induce TND, it is safe to say the nigger population would have stayed the same.
 
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