Why Do We Still Pretend That Hitler Was Wrong? - Nobody Is Policing It Anymore

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If Germany would have won ww2/never started it the result would have been just like the modern EU - Socialistic, tons of bureaucracy and filled with gay green laws, in a slowly decaying system that would eventually imported a billion jeets and muzzies in an attempt to make up for keeping up with the welfare state. If you think it ends in any other way then you've never met a German person before.

Any idea the more extreme laws would have survived decades after the war is highly optimistic as that would have resulted in a Soviet block style hellhole destined to fall apart the same way. And even the Nazis were very fast in labeling groups as "honourary Aryans" when it suited them.

And that's without talking on how the whole philosophy behind the movement was hypocritical and retarded.
 
Just because Hitler and the Nazis are used as a scapegoat for everything contrary to Jewish power and the liberal world order, and hatred for Hitler and the Nazis is a shibboleth for being compliant goycattle, doesn't mean that reflexively defending Hitler and the Nazis is sensible in itself. One's antisemitism should be based in stronger principles and more relevant concerns than simply the emulation of a particular man with many of his own faults who was the product of a different era. Remember that the whole point of the Hitler scapegoating is to assign people to the 'pro-Hitler' or 'anti-Hiitler' schema so that the latter can be destroyed. You are not revolting against the system by being pro-Hitler, you're just willingly taking on the role of "evil person whom it's good to crush" in the eyes of all the propagandized sheep. Not smart!
 
Because he got the best country in Europe curbstomped and gangraped by 90% of the rest of the world, which ultimately resulted in that country today being the fakest and gayest in the world? Wow I'm supposed to be impressed by and admire total failure?
 
Neither side under a certain age likes the Jews, and most agree that Hitler had the right idea on them, or at least hold similar views on the Jews to him
It's a demographic + time issue. Demographic because now Jews are even less of a powerful demographic on an elite and immigrant basis than a century ago. African Americans are undergoing the same thing as their TFR declines and they're displacing by Hispanics + Africans. No one cares about their slave-victimhood narratives that have been propped up by civil rights racketeers and whites. It's an issue of time because the holocaust, and old forms of anti-semitism, become abstract over time as the people alive who experienced it, or lived through the narrative creation, are less and less. Palestinians as an example aren't the same type of anti-semites as a typical German in Nazi Germany or a Russian peasant in Tsarist Russia; they actually are arguing anti-semitism from within a human rights jargon (origin: holocaust) framework.

People also don't agree with Hitler beyond that Jews are sometimes bad people. No one is arguing for an eschatological holy war of extermination against The Jew like Hitler wanted; even the wignats in Alt Right 1.0 never argued for such a thing in all-seriousness. They still just see Hitler as the #1 No-No Rule when in reality he is more like Napoleon. He will become more and more like Napoleon, a world-figure who defined things, and less like SHAITAN.
 
Without [the Jew victim narrative], the only reason [for disliking national socialism] is niche geopolitical arguments, such as WW2 accelerating decolonization, or cultural inertia.
When I wrote this, I wasn't expecting for most critiques of my OP to be precisely one of these two things.

Hitler was a good politician and leader; no shit he wasn't perfect, he lost. The dislike of him in the West seems to be irrational, because it is irrational, it's a founding mythos.
 
Hitler forever poisoned the well of fascism, you will never be able to have a reasonable discussion of fascism because people will automatically default to thinking of Nazism and then automatically think of it's anti-semitism or any of the other bad things that came about from the rise of Nazism.
 
Hitler forever poisoned the well of fascism, you will never be able to have a reasonable discussion of fascism because people
That's only as long as people are willing to surrender to a Jewish framing of every conversation, for their benefit. For our parents' generation, it was sacrosanct. For our generation, going against it was a funny form of rebellion made possible only by online anonymity. For our children's generation, they will think it's insane and ridiculous that people allowed their opinions and expression to be controlled just by the fear of being called racist or a nazi.
 
no shit he wasn't perfect, he lost.
Just want to add before this thread necros. Probably the worst thing that Hitler and national socialism did was to be so entitled (much like all of Europe at the time) that they did not develop any effective plan(s) for military defeat, despite having the awareness and resources to do so. Retirement in Argentina and "werewolf tactics" were ineffective improvisations.
 
" it is important to see that the Nihilist history of our century has not been something imposed from without or above, or at least has not been predominantly this; it has rather presupposed, and drawn its nourishment from, a Nihilist soil that has long been preparing in the hearts of the people. It is precisely from the Nihilism of the commonplace, from the everyday Nihilism revealed in the life and thought and aspiration of the people, that all the terrible events of our century have sprung. The world-view of Hitler is very instructive in this regard, for in him the most extreme and monstrous Nihilism rested upon the foundation of a quite unexceptional and even typical Realism. He shared the common faith in “science,” “progress,” and “enlightenment” (though not, of course, in “democracy”), together with a practical materialism that scorned all theology, metaphysics, and any thought or action concerned with any other world than the “here and now,” priding himself on the fact that he had “the gift of reducing all problems to their simplest foundations.”[12] He had a crude worship of efficiency and utility that freely tolerated “birth control,” laughed at the institution of marriage as a mere legalization of a sexual impulse that should be “free,” welcomed sterilization of the unfit, despised “unproductive elements” such as monks, saw nothing in the cremation of the dead but a “practical” question and did not even hesitate to put the ashes, or the skin and fat, of the dead to “productive use.” He possessed the quasi-anarchist distrust of sacred and venerable institutions, in particular the Church with its “superstitions” and all its “outmoded” laws and ceremonies. (We have already had occasion to note his abhorrence of the institution of Monarchy, a determining factor in his refusal to assume the Imperial tide.) He had a naive trust in the “natural man,” the “healthy animal” who scorns the Christian virtues — virginity in particular — that impede the “natural functioning” of the body. He took a simple-minded delight in modern conveniences and machines, and especially in the automobile and the sense of speed and “freedom” it affords.

There is very little of this crude Weltanschauung that is not shared, to some degree, by the multitudes today, especially among the young, who feel themselves “enlightened” and “liberated,” very little that is not typically “modern.” And it is precisely upon the basis of a Realism such as this, in which there is no more room for the “complicated” Christian view of life and the supremely important realities of the spiritual world, that the grossest superstitions and the most blatant credulity can thrive. Well-meaning men think to forestall the appearance of another Hitler by an attack upon “irrationality” and a defense of “reason,” “science,” and “common sense”; but outside of the context of Christian Truth these values, constituting a Realism of their own, are a preparation for, and not a defense against, the advent of another “terrible simplifier.” "

-Seraphim Rose
 
" it is important to see that the Nihilist history of our century has not been something imposed from without or above, or at least has not been predominantly this; it has rather presupposed, and drawn its nourishment from, a Nihilist soil that has long been preparing in the hearts of the people. It is precisely from the Nihilism of the commonplace, from the everyday Nihilism revealed in the life and thought and aspiration of the people, that all the terrible events of our century have sprung. The world-view of Hitler is very instructive in this regard, for in him the most extreme and monstrous Nihilism rested upon the foundation of a quite unexceptional and even typical Realism. He shared the common faith in “science,” “progress,” and “enlightenment” (though not, of course, in “democracy”), together with a practical materialism that scorned all theology, metaphysics, and any thought or action concerned with any other world than the “here and now,” priding himself on the fact that he had “the gift of reducing all problems to their simplest foundations.”[12] He had a crude worship of efficiency and utility that freely tolerated “birth control,” laughed at the institution of marriage as a mere legalization of a sexual impulse that should be “free,” welcomed sterilization of the unfit, despised “unproductive elements” such as monks, saw nothing in the cremation of the dead but a “practical” question and did not even hesitate to put the ashes, or the skin and fat, of the dead to “productive use.” He possessed the quasi-anarchist distrust of sacred and venerable institutions, in particular the Church with its “superstitions” and all its “outmoded” laws and ceremonies. (We have already had occasion to note his abhorrence of the institution of Monarchy, a determining factor in his refusal to assume the Imperial tide.) He had a naive trust in the “natural man,” the “healthy animal” who scorns the Christian virtues — virginity in particular — that impede the “natural functioning” of the body. He took a simple-minded delight in modern conveniences and machines, and especially in the automobile and the sense of speed and “freedom” it affords.

There is very little of this crude Weltanschauung that is not shared, to some degree, by the multitudes today, especially among the young, who feel themselves “enlightened” and “liberated,” very little that is not typically “modern.” And it is precisely upon the basis of a Realism such as this, in which there is no more room for the “complicated” Christian view of life and the supremely important realities of the spiritual world, that the grossest superstitions and the most blatant credulity can thrive. Well-meaning men think to forestall the appearance of another Hitler by an attack upon “irrationality” and a defense of “reason,” “science,” and “common sense”; but outside of the context of Christian Truth these values, constituting a Realism of their own, are a preparation for, and not a defense against, the advent of another “terrible simplifier.” "

-Seraphim Rose
If I remember right Hitler believed he was possessed by an “ancient Aryan spirit” or something like that. I would say that there was no doubt some sort of demonic influence in regards to what he did.
 
As Ezra Pound said, "Don’t start a pogrom, that is, not an old style killing of small Jews. That system is no good whatsoever. Of course if some man had a stroke of genius and could start a pogrom UP AT THE TOP, there might be something to say for it. But on the whole, legal measures are preferable. The sixty Kikes who started this war might be sent to St. Helena as a measure of world prophylaxis. And some hyper-kikes, or non-Jewish kikes along with them."

Hitler's biggest fuckup was killing Jews indiscriminately instead of following Pound's advice. Nobody wants to associate with a group that is literally murdering children.
The concentration camps would've been better if it was very very clear that this was merely a wartime measure and neither permanent or an extermination camp, and showing the world that they were treated fairly.

Holocaust denial does not and cannot account for the atrocious optics.
 
World War II replaced Christianity as the religion of the Western world. Jesus was replaced by democracy, and Satan was replaced by Hitler. People in this very thread call pro-Hitler views "edgy" which is the same thing you'd call a Satanist. Imagine going back to the 1500s and asking why people why they don't support Satan. You'd get the same response as you get now but for Hitler. It's faith you're going up against, not logic.

Not saying Hitler and Satan are actually comparable figures, or that it's "logical" to like Satan or any of that crap. Just that it's religious indoctrination.
 
The feminization of society, [...] the hostility towards traditional masculinity and demonization of men, the rising crime, the moral decay and social decline, mass migration of third-world savages into Western nations to leech off the native populations
Mostly fair and accurate points, up until
and the death of prosperity and upward mobility for regular people.
Where you lot always conveniently forget that the 1950s-1970s Keynesian consensus were the most meritocratic, most socially mobile period in all of Western history, and that the return to more traditional right wing economics under Thatcher/Reagan is exactly where it ended, and exactly where the globalism, de-industrialisation, and mass immigration started.

You make the continuous mistake of thinking politics is primarily cultural, and not primarily economic.
 
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The notion of a protecting a special victim group was the main justification for anti-Nazism.
The main justification for anti-Nazism was that dog-eat-dog, might-makes-right, Bronze Age style international relations leads to devastating wars and, far from creating a Thousand-Year Reich, will mostly likely turn the entire world into Germany's enemy and break it.

Since that's exactly what happened, it looks like the critics were correct.

The Nazi belief that the German Master Race was destined by the Will of History to seize its Lebensraum was proven objectively wrong, just like Marx's theory of history was proven objectively wrong. Didn't happen. If there's any master race, it's the Amerimutt.
 
Jews made themselves the master race by subversion, collusion and trickery. Americans don't even control their own foreign policy.
 
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