Why do people claim transgenderism is a "modern phenomenon"?

[Mr. Rieper]

I guess the Farms arn't immune to being baited just like the chans. Ahh Internet, never change.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I guess the Farms arn't immune to being baited just like the chans. Ahh Internet, never change.

True, and Ron /pol/ is one of the forum's most notorious shitposters with a talent for really good bait posts.

But the topic itself is interesting to discuss, even if it's obvious bait.

 

[Emperor Julian]

"TEH SEXUAL DEGENERACY IS TEH REASON CIVILIZATIONS COLLPASE!"
I never got why conservatards make this dumbass argument, Rome was strongest when promiscuity was relatively common & normal and collapsed when it was Christian.

Most failing societies or troubled ones call for increased moral purity for a number of reasons. It's easier than addressing deeper social problems or facing practical realities and makes the plebs and priests feel they're helping.

"pray harder boys, they can only steal so much with two hands."

 

[Positron]

You cannot equate ancient and near-modern examples of men castrating themselves (or cross-dressers) with late 20th-century trannies. The former did so either because of religious conviction or economic expediency. You don't read records of them claiming "I've been living a lie all along. Now I've found my true self", as modern trannies invariably do. And such existential reflection is good evidence that trannyism is a thoroughly modern phenomenon. It is related to the search of authenticity, the search of how to live life. Before modernity, religions and traditional communities told people how they should conduct their lives. People took it for granted that their lives are a pre-set template, and it didn't even occur to people that there are other options. It is only when religions fail to hold sway, and people had lost their ties to tradition, did people begin to realize that they have the freedom to choose how to live. People found out there are many many ways to create meanings in life, and that they can start living a new life any time as long as they have the will to do so. Some men, then, chose the freedom to live as women.

But why choose to live as women? I suppose Feminism (especially Third Wave) has mystified womanhood as the exotic "other" which appeals to the adventurous spirit of some men -- attaining womanhood is, in essence, a quest for the Holy Grail. If what I say is true, then trannyism is, paradoxically, motivated by a stereotypically male drive for conquest. This may explain why MtFs widely outnumber FtMs.

I can find ladyboy porn going back as far the 80s). How can "traditionalists" unironically claim transgenderism is a recent phenomenon.

I don't know much about Thai culture but it seems the phenomenon of Ladybois have strong social and economic roots. I'm not convinced they are exactly comparable to Western troons. Also 80s is very modern.

The Amsterdam Cohort saw a 20x rise of clinical cases of transgenderism in Netherlands between 1980 to 2015.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Because it's how people identify themselves. Because of trannies we now need to write "male, he/him" to be part of the acceptable part of society in our bio. If the color of your shit was the next cool thing to identify by, it'd be the new "nu-norm" as well.

It literally says more about you as a person if you go "I like sewing" than "I'm a xe/xy pansexual NB cluster of left wing politics".

 

[Sayon]

Look if you want to chop your dick off then go right ahead. Doesn't mean I owe you my respect.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

It seems to be something that happens thruout human history. I personally believe that and homosexuality are responses to overpopulation in an area, but I could be wrong. You can't say it just happened NOW considering there are examples of what could now be termed transsexuality dating back to ancient Sumer and the temple prostitutes, but I suppose before 1975 or so they'd just be discussed as something regarding homosexual males.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Transgenderism is quite old. Worshippers of Elgabal who were most devote, castrated themselves, and dressed in an effeminate way. Iran has rather weirdly government funded transgender operations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Iran), the sting in the tail being that effeminate gay men can find themselves forced to undergo government funded sex change to avoid savage punishment. There are also the ancient hirja class on the Indian subcontinent. who now have legal protection there. It is bad, but quite an old way of life.

The worshippers of the Phyrgian goddess Cybele also had castrated devotees who were either transgender or had a blurred identity like Heliogalbus.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

It isn’t, it’s all the political stuff like identity politics, gender as a social construct and the many genders that’s a recent phenomenon. I think you can add the rapid onset gender dysphoria as well.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

Every generation wants to be the most relevant one. It's why we also keep seeing "FIRST MOVIE WITH BLACK PEOPLE", "FIRST ALL FEMALE MOVIES" this decade, even though such bullshit happened 40+ years ago first time.

It's the same mentality of how CWC thought he was raising "THE FIRST GENERATION OF AUTISTS"; everyone has that same arrogance. WE'RE THE LAST GENERATION, IT ENDS WITH US, rinse and repeat over everything.

 

[Parson Weebs]

The issue of really really wanting to be the opposite gender has historical precident but the social contructs around it are pretty new.

Follow up question, the farms talk a lot about transgenderism, how much of the farms proportionatly wants to fuck one , become a pretty girl or both? I'm calculating around 25-75% overall.

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.....She's waiting for you........To become her.

"The troonerie is strong with you. A powerful female you will become."

... but what about your moral character?