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Why Disney Can't Make Hits Like It Used To​

Once a sure thing at the box office, Disney has experienced an unprecedented string of box office flops both domestically and in critical markets such as China.

Despite strong showings with Avatar: The Way of Water, which brought in a whopping $2.3 billion around the world, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3, which has made almost $850 million globally, the past year has been lackluster for Disney.

What once would have been sure fire hit such as Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, which is Harrison Ford's last outing as the famous archaeologist, has made just $369 million globally, only a tad more than its budget of $295 million.

"Remember that of the $369 million, the studio will only garner about 60 percent of that amount or $180 million," Mark Young, from the School of Accounting at the University of Southern California (USC), told Newsweek, highlighting just how much of a flop the film has been.

Other titles which underperformed for Disney over the past year include Marvel's Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Lightyear, The Little Mermaid and Strange World. Pixar animated studios also suffered its worst opening in 28 years with Elemental, which made just under $30 million on its opening in the U.S., according to Box Office Mojo.

The disappointing returns at cinemas has cost Disney at least $1 billion, according to Forbes, a fact not lost of the company's CEO, Bob Iger.

"The studio has had a tremendous run over the past decade, perhaps the greatest run that any studio has ever had, with multiple billion dollar hits... that said, the performance of some of our recent films has definitely been disappointing and we don't take that lightly," Iger said during the company's 2023 third-quarter financial results call on Wednesday.

"As you'd expect, we're very focused on improving the quality and the performance of the films that we've got coming up. It's something that I'm working closely with the studio on. I'm personally committed to spending more time and attention on that as well."

The reasons behind Disney's bad box office run might seem obvious, such as how cinemas are still trying to bounce back after the COVID-19 pandemic, but experts argue the studio needs to start making more "bracingly fresh films." Recycling old intellectual property (IP), like Indiana Jones or the live action remake of The Little Mermaid, has turned audiences off.

Young said since acquiring Marvel and churning out endless movies and TV shows on its streaming service, Disney+, people are suffering from "superhero fatigue because these movies tend to be highly formulaic."

For UCLA lecturer and film producer Tom Nunan, Disney has mistakenly lent into "an over-reliance on the familiar."

"When we see Barbie from Warner Bros Studio and Oppenheimer from Universal performing so well, the message seems clear: 'make original, bracingly fresh films and the audience will show up,'" he told Newsweek.

"By most measures, the bets they took were considered reliable ones and anyone in their position would've likely done the same. Disney's efforts have been substantial, upscale, and professional—just uninspiring and not as groundbreaking as what's called for these days."

In the 2000s, Disney went on a shopping spree, buying up studios such as Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm, which gave us both the Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises.

All of these studios only make big budget content, whereas prior to the acquisition, Disney had different budget levels for its productions. And where there is a lot of money being spent comes big risk. So it makes sense the studios would rely on a formula proven to work.

"One cannot blame a studio for following formulae as this approach has been successful in the past, but I think things have now come to a head. Studios need to get ahead of the curve and deliver something very new," Young explained.

Even though Disney may struggle to make its money back on these films from cinema sales, they will continue having value on Disney+ for years to come, according to Kimberly Owczarski, associate professor at the Texas Christian University.

"They released too many films in a short time frame in what was already a crowded summer of competition," she explained, and added: "They have relied too much on franchises that are either skewing older or there are too many texts to keep track of in theaters and on streaming, like with the Marvel properties.

"Word-of-mouth wasn't great on several of these films, either, which certainly kept those who weren't diehard fans from going to theaters and instead they just wait for their streaming debuts. With such a short turnaround from theaters to Disney+, there's no real need to spend so much money going to a movie theater for a less than stellar film."

Allègre Hadida from the University of Cambridge Judge Business School agreed, and added that the rising cost of living means people will more likely wait to watch a title on Disney+, especially because of the convenience of being able to watch "ATAWAD (anytime, anywhere, on any device)."

"This effect may be amplified as purchasing power is affected by high inflation rates," she explained to Newsweek.

But even though Disney has had some unprecedented box office failures this year, it was still on track to be one biggest distributors and earners of the year with all of its releases combined.

"While some theatrical releases have underperformed and Disney+ subscriptions have decreased over the past few months, Disney is still very much a force to reckon with in the global entertainment industry. They lead the global box office in 2022 and in the first six months of 2023 (with US$3.4 bn in revenue)," Hadida explained.

So how does Disney bounce back?

"I think they need new IP and totally new characters and a new vision for the studio. It seems clear that going back to the same well over and over again will only lead to more failure. In other words, a new strategy is needed and this is going to require a new deal with the writers," Young explained.

Owczarski agreed, saying, "original stories typically cost less to make than franchise properties, so investing a bit more in them may lead to some bigger returns in the long run," and pointed out that while they had slow starts, Elemental and The Little Mermaid eventually brought in good audiences.

"[They] played well in theaters since their debut because of the lack of family-oriented films in the market this summer. Disney performs its best when it can tap into that audience and they have made fewer films geared to it in recent years. So they need to focus on films for the family audience again," Owczarski added.

Disney also has an "unparalleled" library of IP that it can tap into, but it can only do so if they "approach their content with the same boldness, audacity, fun, and depth as Warner Bros did with Barbie," according to Nunan.

"Today's audience is looking for really fresh, startling uniqueness. It's all within Disney's reach," he said.

"Failure usually leads to one of two outcomes: fear and retrenchment, or bold reinvention. My hope is the company will embrace bold reinvention in the feature space. The franchises and characters are beloved—let's hope the Disney folks embrace courage over fear."

Young suggested "as a different strategy," Disney+ should go into its catalogue and bring out more movies that baby boomers and Gen X'ers find appealing, with the potential of also finding new audiences.

"Many of their great films are not on the service. Disney has a catalogue of over 800 properties... in some cases, there might be rights or restoration issues, but it seems to me that these costs pale in comparison to creating another $200 million blockbuster," he said.

"My point in mentioning this is that executives may be completely unaware of what they have in their libraries and younger employees may not be old enough to even know about these classics so there is a disconnection."

As for Disney's outlook, Owczarski does not feel too concerned for the Mouse House's future.

"Disney may be experiencing a rough patch with its properties this summer in theaters, but the rest of the year has some strong box office potential," she said.

"They will likely remain the top overall distributor globally, even despite some key challenges in 2023."
 
Hell, they could make another Pacific Rim but they have to drift to defeat the aliens in an interdimensional street race.
They stave off an alien invasion, by drifting the alien planet out of their solar system; their star was going to go super nova. So we do the obvious thing and drift it to a new one or some shit.
 
Disney has been a cesspool forever.

Have we forgotten this is the same company that hired a convicted child rapist to write and direct for them? Don’t forget the fact that the dude was literally in prison while writing the script for sexually assaulting a child on his last film set.

And then they doubled down and spent a fortune advertising it to try and fight the controversy.

And in the end they still gave the guy more work through their partner companies.

That was in the late 80s and they haven’t turned around once.
 
Eventually someone else will pull a Don Bluth and yank the rug out from under the Mouse
Maybe but it won't be a Don Bluth-style garage operation with a box of pencils and a third mortgage. You'd need tens of millions of dollars and all the attached strings just to hang out a shingle as a new movie studio these days.

I'm not sure what the most viable new form of low cost consumer-grade entertainment will be but it probably won't be conventional feature films.
 
That was in the late 80s and they haven’t turned around once.
Wait, there has been another case? I'm only aware of the one from 2000s:

Pedophile X-Men actor convicted of sexually abusing Nickelodeon child star is STILL working with underage kids

  • Brian Peck served 16 months in prison after admitting two counts of abusing a Nickelodeon child actor
  • Since release from prison he has been dialogue coach, worked on Disney series and played teacher and claims to be friend of Charlie Sheen

His IMDB profile is 'adorned' with this:
Trivia
In 2004 he pleaded 'no contest' to charges of committing a lewd act against a child 14 or 15 and oral copulation of a person under 16. He was convicted and received a sentence of 16 months, and was ordered to register as a sex offender.

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It seem that the case you're referring to is that of Victor Salva?

Disney Movie’s Director a Convicted Child Molester : Hollywood: He says, ‘I paid for my mistakes dearly,’ but victim of incident several years ago urges boycott of ‘Powder.’

Victor Salva, a former child-care worker who impressed Hollywood filmmakers with his early cinematic work, was sentenced to three years in state prison in 1988 for molesting a 12-year-old boy who had acted in two of his films. Salva videotaped one of the encounters.

Winters said he was “in awe” that Disney would even make a movie with Salva.
“I can’t believe [Salva] is allowed to work with children again,” Winters said. “He should not be allowed around children ever again.”

Disney officials would not comment on the controversy, but the movie’s producer said he believes that Salva has paid his debt to society and should be allowed to pursue his chosen profession.

The IMDB doesn't disappoint in this case either:
In 1995, the boy he molested (then in his 20s) publicly boycotted the film Powder (1995) to bring attention to Salva's sexual misdeeds, which contributed to the film's less-than-stellar box office.

Is a convicted child molester. In 1988 he confessed to five felony counts of sexual relations with a 12-year-old boy who he videotaped in sexual situations. Salva spent a year in state prison for the crimes.

Also of note are the UK-tier sentences for diddling kids.
 
I had forgotten about Peck honestly. But as you can see this is something that just keeps happening.

Combine that with them hiring a known r34 artist to work on Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur or w/e the hell that garbage was….

At some point the people HAVE to notice. But they don’t 🤢
 
Disney used to make 1 big animated film every year. Beauty and the Beast was 1991 and Aladdin was 1992. For the last decade now they've done 2 maybe 3 movies a year.

I remember when The Lion King came out and the hype was unreal. It was a movie every family had to see. A Disney feature no longer feels like an event. They killed the Golden Goose.

If DreamWorks makes a new Shrek I bet it'll clean house. Even though thr 3rd and 4th Shreks were lazy sequels I bet the masses have an insane nostalgia for that ogre.
 
They managed to lose money on fucking Star Wars and Marvel.
Go back 10 years and tell someone that Disney would face serious economic problems for their mismanagement of 2 brands that could sell literal shit in cups and manchildren would buy it and you'd be institutionalized.
 
I'll happily watch a new Bond, but it should be a period-accurate 60s and 70s. Bring back the Communists and SPECTRE shenanigans with vintage 60s and 70s cheese and I'm in. Maybe show what life was like behind the Curtain, I'm sure a good amount of that shit's declassified now.
"The Man from U.N.C.L.E." was basically this with the usual Guy Ritchie flair. It was fantastic yet inexplicably bombed. It really sold me on the fact that Bomd needs to be rebooted back to the early 60s.
 
experts argue the studio needs to start making more "bracingly fresh films."

people are suffering from "superhero fatigue because these movies tend to be highly formulaic."

For UCLA lecturer and film producer Tom Nunan, Disney has mistakenly lent into "an over-reliance on the familiar."
They've fed these astroturfed "Film Experts" these lines. It's almost exactly what they're planning to justify the next wave of wokeshit with.

They really can't understand why people don't like shit like "China-Friendly Mulan" (Which bombed in China), "Little Woke Mermaid", or their upcoming "Snow White and the Seven Special Friends".

It's why they're going to surprise Pikachu when their "No straight-white male Avengers by 2024" MCU implodes.
There's no one really talented left at the company. Everyone who made the company great is either dead, retired, or driven out. This extends to the theme parks as well, where they can no longer create original ideas, and just an off-the-shelf ride (usually a legacy ride) with an IP slapped on it.
Also this. Most of the decent writers for the MCU stuff jumped ship after Endgame.

And all competent Star Wars writers bailed after The Last Jedi torpedoed the franchise and Rise of Skywalker finished sinking it.

All that's left is a bunch of pet writers/directors all desperately grabbing for the tablescraps that Guardians 3 and The Mandalorian are leaving behind.
 
They've fed these astroturfed "Film Experts" these lines. It's almost exactly what they're planning to justify the next wave of wokeshit with.

They really can't understand why people don't like shit like "China-Friendly Mulan" (Which bombed in China), "Little Woke Mermaid", or their upcoming "Snow White and the Seven Special Friends".

It's why they're going to surprise Pikachu when their "No straight-white male Avengers by 2024" MCU implodes.

Also this. Most of the decent writers for the MCU stuff jumped ship after Endgame.

And all competent Star Wars writers bailed after The Last Jedi torpedoed the franchise and Rise of Skywalker finished sinking it.

All that's left is a bunch of pet writers/directors all desperately grabbing for the tablescraps that Guardians 3 and The Mandalorian are leaving behind.
"Whaddya mean people want good quality entertainment and not globohomo marxist propaganda? That's racist/sexist!"

Idk I'm waiting for Kathleen Kennedy to attack fans again. Surely that'd do the trick this time!
 
Maybe but it won't be a Don Bluth-style garage operation with a box of pencils and a third mortgage. You'd need tens of millions of dollars and all the attached strings just to hang out a shingle as a new movie studio these days.

I'm not sure what the most viable new form of low cost consumer-grade entertainment will be but it probably won't be conventional feature films.

I don't know about that, have you checked out the Corridor Crew youtube channel? They created their own amazing looking anime using off the shelf free AI software and it's impressive, literally a handful of guys in their garage could knock out a feature length animated movie.. and all it costs is time and enthusiasm (and a decent spec gaming PC)

 
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I don't know about that, have you checked out the Corridor Crew youtube channel? They created their own amazing looking anime using off the shelf AI software and it's impressive, literally a handful of guys in their garage could knock out a feature length animated movie..
Yeah I've seen some impressive talent doing stuff like that but what I'm not sure about is how it will translate to mainstream entertainment, something Disney etc would need to sit up and take notice of. Will these people graduate to making streaming shows and feature films, or some other new media? Short-form mobile shit is incredibly hot right now but can it actually challenge cinema?
 
Yeah I've seen some impressive talent doing stuff like that but what I'm not sure about is how it will translate to mainstream entertainment, something Disney etc would need to sit up and take notice of. Will these people graduate to making streaming shows and feature films, or some other new media? Short-form mobile shit is incredibly hot right now but can it actually challenge cinema?

Well, they did produce a full 16 minute episode of their Rock, Paper, Scissors anime, with free software (I linked the making of video to show how it was done in my lastpost) you can see the full episode here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tWZOEFvczzA
And judge for yourself how low the bar now is for 5 guys using freeware to complete with say, a big budget Netflix show like Castlevania for example. Those 16 mins took them 3 months and at least 2 months of that was a learning curve on how to get what they wanted from the software. I'm just saying, you may no longer need hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole studio to go toe to toe with the likes of Disney.
 
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