CN Why Chinese people will never be able to speak English

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By Kim Ooi
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Will Chinese people ever really be able to speak English?

Will a foreigner in China ever be able to go to a restaurant and order their food in English? Will we ever be able to walk into a bar and chat with the locals in English?

Since English is a widely spoken global language, aren’t these questions worth asking?

Before I go any further, I’d like to clarify that by ‘Chinese people’ I’m referring specifically to those people of Chinese ethnicity in China, not those living in countries like the US, UK and Australia.

If you’re in one of China’s major cities, you might get lucky sometimes, but sadly, in the vast majority of cities in China, the answer is a resounding “No!”.

If you ever visit China, you’ll find that in most places, the average Chinese person whom you might meet in the street won’t be able to speak English at all.

When I arrived in China for the first time, I had to insist that my employer send someone to pick me up from the airport.

Since I couldn’t speak Mandarin at the time, I faced a significant language barrier and there was no way I’d have been able to make it to my workplace on my own.

Here are 12 reasons why Chinese people will never be able to speak English.


1. Chinese schools only teach reading and writing​


Although English education in China starts in primary school, Chinese schools generally only teach reading and writing, not listening or speaking.

In China, it is the job of parents to teach their children how to listen and speak.

Chinese people won’t ever be able to speak English simply because oral language skills aren’t taught until they get to university.


2. The purpose of school in China is just for passing exams​

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There’s a huge focus on exams in China

As a foreign teacher in China, I was shocked when my students told me that they weren’t ever told the reason or rationale for learning something, other than to pass exams.

Unlike people in the United States and other western countries, Chinese people don’t learn something because it could get them a good job, expand their horizons, enable them to travel or do business with foreign companies.

Chinese teachers hand out the answers to exam questions prior to the big day, which students just memorize and regurgitate. Anything that’s been taught in class is irrelevant.

At university, which is often the first and only time that Chinese people get to learn oral English, Chinese students might do another teacher’s homework, play with their phones or even sleep during their oral English classes.

Chinese students believe that it’ll take them a long time to be fluent in English and they’re not given much time in their timetables for English lessons. So, they just give up!


3. Local teachers teach English badly​


Chinese people are often unable to speak English as adults due to bad teachers and ineffective pedagogy.

I once had the opportunity to observe a Chinese teacher teaching English to her students and she made several mistakes.

She struggled to spell a number of words correctly, and told her students that a “cocktail” was the name of the AIDS antiviral therapy.

And this was in a fairly urban city. The situation in rural schools would be significantly worse.

The vast majority of English teachers in China are non-native speakers. They teach English badly because it’s not their mother tongue and because they had themselves been taught badly.

It’s very difficult to correct our students’ grammar once what they’ve been taught becomes fossilized.

Chinese people will also never be able to speak English because many of them never had the chance to learn from a native English speaker.


4. Terrible textbooks​

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The textbooks used in Chinese schools are notoriously bad.

Sometimes, the local teachers seek my advice when they come across something in a textbook which they don’t understand.

An example of this is as follows:

“______ he wanted to go out with his friends at the weekend, he’d to stay behind to finish his assignment.”

The fill-in-the-blank choices were:
  • Much though
  • Much as
  • As much
  • Though much
There are two problems with this question. First, “he’d to stay” is grammatically incorrect.

And secondly, none of the answers are correct. The correct answer is “As much as”.

Textbooks in China have a terrible reputation. It has even been said that they were originally written in Chinese and then run through Google Translate!

As a result, they’re likely to be riddled with errors.


5. Very few opportunities to practice​


China isn’t a native English-speaking nation.

In China, there are approximately 1.4 billion Chinese people but only around 845,000 expats. Chinese people don’t often get the opportunity to practice their oral English.

The vast majority of them don’t need to speak English in their daily lives.

This is exacerbated by the fact that most people normally tend to hang out with the people whom they are familiar with.

Chinese people like to hang out with other Chinese people and the foreigners like to associate with other people from their own countries.

I was once the member of an English Corner (an English conversation group) where the default language was Mandarin Chinese! I guess the members felt more comfortable speaking in their native tongue.


6. English is no longer as important​

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Sadly, English is becoming less important in some Chinese schools.

China is trying to de-emphasize the importance of learning English.

There have been recent reports like this one and this one on The New York Times (paywall) that English study is being cut back in some Chinese cities.

With fewer and fewer Chinese people learning English, eventually the day might come when nobody in China will be able to speak the international language.


7. University students can be lazy​


Due to the huge population, competition for a place at university is fierce.

In high school classrooms across the country, slogans like “Open your eyes, begin your fights” are plastered to the walls.

From the moment a high school student wakes up until they go to bed, they can do nothing except study, pausing only to eat and to use the toilet.

Chinese high school teachers promise their students that if they pass the Gaokao exam, they’ll go to a place where they’ll no longer have to do any work and where graduation is guaranteed.

As a result, many Chinese students play with their phones at university, rarely do their homework and might even sleep in class.

At some Chinese universities, especially the private ones, many students don’t come to class at all.

Some students turn up just to take the final exam at the end of the semester while others don’t bother to do even that.


8. The ‘no failures’ policy​

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You’re forced to give students good scores regardless.

In China, there is even legislation that stipulates that 95% of university students must graduate. As a result, many Chinese college students tend to be a little bit lazy.

College and university teachers in China often let their students pass without carrying out proper assessments.

As a foreign university teacher in China, one of the most difficult aspects of my job is doling out high scores to students who couldn’t even say a word of English in their exams.


9. Huge class sizes​


It’s not unusual for Chinese schools to have over 30 students in a class. At one of the universities that I once taught at, two classes occupied one time slot.

That meant that there could be up to 70 or more students in my oral English class.

This makes it difficult to give any student individual attention, severely restricts the teaching methods or class activities that can be used and means that each student gets much fewer opportunities to speak.

Even when working collaboratively on a group assignment or presentation, the Chinese language becomes the default language of communication between students.

It’s also very difficult to carry out proper assessments because teachers only have two class periods to conduct exams.


10. Foreign teachers are hired to make schools look good​


It took me a long time to realize this but it eventually dawned on me that my role as a foreign teacher in China wasn’t to teach but to make my school look good.

This is because native English speakers are seen as some sort of status symbol in China.

When a native of North America or the UK gives a Chinese student a high score in their oral English exams, it makes both the school and the student look good.

This enables the school to attract more students and make more money!


11. The students have a packed schedule​

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All Chinese university students go through weeks of military training.

One of my former students once posted his class timetable in his WeChat Moments. I was quite shocked to see that he had classes from 8 am until 8.30 pm, seven days a week.

As a result, many of them are forced to do their homework during class time instead of paying attention to what the teacher is saying.

Since they have such a huge number of classes, they can’t pay as much attention to their oral English classes as they might otherwise have wanted to.


12. Some students have never learnt English before​


Most Chinese schools normally have English in their curriculums but not all of them do. My current students, for example, learnt Japanese instead of English at school.

Imagine being asked to deliver an IELTS Speaking course to a bunch of Chinese students who have never in their lives learnt any English!

They’ll find the course too difficult, they’ll just switch off and they actually won’t learn anything.


Implications for foreigners in China​


When reading this blog, you might find yourself thinking, “So what? What does any of this have to do with me?”

The hard truth is that if Chinese people can’t speak English, this’ll have implications for the rest of the world.

It’ll become more difficult to trade with China, which as Asia’s factory, wields significant economic power in the region.

Not only will the teachers of English in China fear for their jobs but they’ll also become demoralized when they realize that all their hard work counts for nothing.

And, it’ll be even harder for foreign tourists who come to visit.

In a nutshell, the future is looking bleak for all foreigners who have a stake in China.

If you disagree, let me know in the comments below.
 
This article is retarded. Countries with larger populations that produce their own media have far lower rates of speaking foreign languages except in cases of historical influence.

And as far as Chinese speakers learning English, many have told me that they like English as English more of an analytic language like China.

The syntax and morphology is not so complex like other Indo European languages.
 
“______ he wanted to go out with his friends at the weekend, he’d to stay behind to finish his assignment.”

The fill-in-the-blank choices were:
  • Much though
  • Much as
  • As much
  • Though much
There are two problems with this question. First, “he’d to stay” is grammatically incorrect.

And secondly, none of the answers are correct. The correct answer is “As much as”.
The answer is actually Much as. It's not grammatically incorrect. Much has means "although". How do I know this but AN ENGLISH TEACHER doesn't? Anyways, bad grammar is better than no grammar and no knowledge.


The vast majority of them don’t need to speak English in their daily lives.
There is no excuse for this when English is one of the most frequently spoken languages AND the internet exists. Chatrooms exist. Games exist. You can speak over a mic through those talking about the game, or your favorite topics. Discord has so many servers that host english speakers that you can talk with on mic. What a gay ass excuse.


China is trying to de-emphasize the importance of learning English.

There have been recent reports like this one and this one on The New York Times (paywall) that English study is being cut back in some Chinese cities.

With fewer and fewer Chinese people learning English, eventually the day might come when nobody in China will be able to speak the international language.
This will never happen. English is extremely important for China being able to do business with places outside of China.

In China, there is even legislation that stipulates that 95% of university students must graduate. As a result, many Chinese college students tend to be a little bit lazy.
This lets us know that the average 'intelligence' of Chinese individuals is likely inflated on paper, too.

One of my former students once posted his class timetable in his WeChat Moments. I was quite shocked to see that he had classes from 8 am until 8.30 pm, seven days a week.

As a result, many of them are forced to do their homework during class time instead of paying attention to what the teacher is saying.
They choose when to schedule their classes so it's their fault.

It’ll become more difficult to trade with China, which as Asia’s factory, wields significant economic power in the region.
If China loses all english speakers it will quickly lose economic power. Then again, it might force other countries to produce more Chinese speakers, which is more favorable for the other country than China. A Chinese speaker can tell when the Chinaman is bullshitting them regarding manufacturing, an English speaker relying on the Chinaman speaking English is going to be gypped.
 
What a retarded fucking article. Why is there a problem with Chinese in CHINA not being able to speak English? What’s next are you going to write an article blaming Americans for not speaking Spanish for all out southern visitors?

In case you hadn’t noted it would appear China has managed to 100x their trade with the entire planet with no doctrine of having its population speak 100 different languages.
 
In case you hadn’t noted it would appear China has managed to 100x their trade with the entire planet with no doctrine of having its population speak 100 different languages.
Yeah, and I wonder what language the international business world speaks. Might it perhaps be the same one spoken by the nation that dominated the seas and maritime trade for at least two centuries, said language also being spoken by its more recent successor?
 
As a foreign teacher in China, I was shocked when my students told me that they weren’t ever told the reason or rationale for learning something, other than to pass exams.

Unlike people in the United States and other western countries, Chinese people don’t learn something because it could get them a good job, expand their horizons, enable them to travel or do business with foreign companies.

Chinese teachers hand out the answers to exam questions prior to the big day, which students just memorize and regurgitate. Anything that’s been taught in class is irrelevant.

At university, which is often the first and only time that Chinese people get to learn oral English, Chinese students might do another teacher’s homework, play with their phones or even sleep during their oral English classes.
China culturally from the top down values cheating to get ahead. Its why they always steal all of their technology from other countries and why bribery is the norm there.
If we break up that "he had" contraction it's actually fine. 'Much as he wanted to go out with his friends, he had to stay behind to finish his assignment' is a cromulent english sentence.
He'd to stay sounds fucking retarded what are you smoking. It's confusing because "he'd" is more commonly a contraction of "he would" so it sounds like "he would to stay".
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Because it is. Stupid fucking journo.
This is an incorrect way to teach the language. Teaching students that a cocktail = aids medication is incorrect. A cocktail is a drink that has multiple other drinks combined within it, which is how it should be taught. This sort of thing could lead to students who travel abroad being embarrassed when they go to a bar and ask about aids medication.
Considering that Chinks today simply use a TTS translator when talking to English pig-dogs, no reason why the same thing can't be used in Chinkland by whatever's left of the English speaking populace.
The article points out that they already use TTS for education and the biggest problem with that is they only learn how to read it not how to actually speak it. Which makes it not particularly useful if they want to travel abroad at any point in their life.
This article is retarded. Countries with larger populations that produce their own media have far lower rates of speaking foreign languages except in cases of historical influence.
Other countries don't have this same issue that China does with teaching English. A big problem with China is its culture of cheating to get ahead which makes it so they can never actually learn the language because their instructors will just pass them along regardless of if they learn or not. As the article points out this harms their future prospects in life, like they can't travel abroad easily since they don't know any English despite getting a degree in it because their schools did such a shitty job.
The answer is actually Much as. It's not grammatically incorrect. Much has means "although". How do I know this but AN ENGLISH TEACHER doesn't? Anyways, bad grammar is better than no grammar and no knowledge.
“Much as he wanted to go out with his friends at the weekend, he’d to stay behind to finish his assignment.”
This sounds retarded what are you smoking. Who says "he'd to stay" in conversation? Much as sounds awkward and "as much as he wanted to go" sounds far more natural. This sort of thing is really common with ESL speakers where their dialogue sounds incredibly wooden.
There is no excuse for this when English is one of the most frequently spoken languages AND the internet exists. Chatrooms exist. Games exist. You can speak over a mic through those talking about the game, or your favorite topics. Discord has so many servers that host english speakers that you can talk with on mic. What a gay ass excuse.
Imagine if you're playing an online game and you start seeing this.
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It doesn't matter how many times you see these characters unless someone tells you how they work you will never understand them. This is similar to a Chinese person seeing latin characters if he's never taught anything about how English works he will never understand it. It's an utterly foreign concept.

This isn't the case with languages that are adjacent that use similar structure and use the same alphabet. Mandarin is so different to English that it's like completely starting over when trying to learn one or the other.
What a retarded fucking article. Why is there a problem with Chinese in CHINA not being able to speak English? What’s next are you going to write an article blaming Americans for not speaking Spanish for all out southern visitors?
Read the last point
The hard truth is that if Chinese people can’t speak English, this’ll have implications for the rest of the world.

It’ll become more difficult to trade with China, which as Asia’s factory, wields significant economic power in the region.

Not only will the teachers of English in China fear for their jobs but they’ll also become demoralized when they realize that all their hard work counts for nothing.

And, it’ll be even harder for foreign tourists who come to visit.

In a nutshell, the future is looking bleak for all foreigners who have a stake in China.
If you say "so what if they aren't learning shit who cares" sitting in a classroom learning nothing and getting passed regardless because the school is making money off you is a big reason why China's culture of cheating/bribery perpetuates so deeply. They learn from an early age that it doesn't matter how smart they are, all that matters is nepotism and money. Now imagine going to China and having to go to the hospital and discovering your doctor knows jack shit because of shit like this.
 
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