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Why Are People So Freaked Out About Seed Oils?​

The flyers started popping up like dandelions around Manhattan. “CARBONE PUTS SEED OILS IN THEIR SPICY RIGATONI,” they screamed in expectant outrage. “Your favorite restaurant serves you garbage,” they continued, explaining that seed oils cause bowel disease. But the overwhelming reaction from most of my colleagues and friends was... what? Of course Carbone’s spicy rigatoni is made with oil. It’s a restaurant. And what’s the problem with seed oils anyway?

The signs were put up by Seed Oil Scout (SOS), an app that allows users to track which restaurants cook without seed oils — aka cooking oils made from plant seeds like corn oil, sunflower oil, and canola oil — as well as where you can get foods like tallow-fried fries and raw milk, which, according to a certain corner of the nutrition world, are the key to a healthier life.

But spend any time on TikTok or let your YouTube algorithm run too long, and you’ve probably seen at least one fitness guru or self-proclaimed dietician warn about the dangers of inflammation from seed oil, the benefits of a carnivorous diet, and why eating more tallow is better for your heart. The talking points have become so popular that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has threatened to ban seed oils if he’s put in charge of public health agencies. But like most online diet fads, while there is a kernel of truth at the heart of it, the panic is mostly overblown.

Where did this panic come from?​

While a diet high in any amount of fat will probably lead to some problems, a handful of nutritionists began focusing on the particular problems of seed oils a few years ago. In 2017, ophthalmologist Dr. Chris Knobbe published a paper arguing that “harmful vegetable oil,” as well as other processed foods, “are the primary and proximate cause of AMD [age-related macular degeneration].” He began focusing on seed oils specifically, arguing in a talk four years ago that seed oils are responsible for “degenerative diseases of civilization,” like heart disease and diabetes.

The anonymous poster behind Seed Oil Scout, which launched in 2022, said they first became concerned with seed oils during early COVID lockdown, as they noticed their gut health improved after cooking at home instead of eating out in restaurants. They “realized a common thread: Industrially processed seed oils were either demonized or completely absent from traditional recipes,” they tell Eater. Though some seed oils, like sesame oil, are less processed, most are still industrial products.

SOS, like many other anti seed-oil activists, points to high concentrations of omega-6 fatty acids in seed oils, which can cause inflammation in high levels and lead to a host of health problems, especially when heated. They also reference the rise of polyunsaturated fats in the American diet over the past 100 years. “This is an unprecedented change in our body composition that clearly deserves a second look,” they say.

The panic over seed oils has escalated as many have taken seed oil-linked health concerns and projected onto them the idea that this is not how we’re “supposed” to eat. The solution, the thinking goes, lies in an imagined past where foods were not processed, or even regulated in any way. (Though it’s important to note seed oils aren’t new — Native Americans in modern day Arizona and New Mexico were crushing sunflower seeds for oil in 3000 BCE.) This is perhaps why these theories have found ground in the more right-wing reactionary corners of the internet.

The Liver King, a carnivorous diet influencer with millions of followers, takes inspiration from our mythical ancestors, who he believes stayed healthy and fit through a diet of unprocessed raw meat. He warns against eating seed oils and processed foods, suggesting instead a breakfast of six raw eggs and bone marrow. (The Liver King, who claimed to have gotten his buff physique solely from this diet, was recently found out to have been taking steroids). Similarly, a video posted three years ago by What I’ve Learned, a YouTube channel with over 2 million subscribers, argues that seed oils are single handedly responsible for the rise in obesity and heart disease over the past century, and that we were a healthier population before they came along. And podcaster Joe Rogan was also an early platformer of anti seed-oil beliefs, hosting carnivore diet proponent Paul Saladino in 2020, and going on to villainize seed oils on his own.

Seed oil criticism is often espoused by influencers and channels who hold other reactionary beliefs. What I’ve Learned also features videos like “Women Don’t Want Equal Relationships” and an interview with quack psychologist Jordan Peterson. And on TikTok, anti-seed oil content is often produced by self-proclaimed tradwives, who argue that a more patriarchal, Christian society is part of this return to some healthier way of living. And, of course, RFK Jr. has now taken on seed oils as the enemy, wanting to replace all frying oil with tallow as was used in decades past.

Is there any truth to the anti seed-oil activists’ health claims?​

Nutritionists have said for years that ingredients like canola oil aren’t particularly nutritionally rich. Olive oil contains less polyunsaturated fat, and more antioxidants than canola oil. It’s also true that Americans’ oil consumption has risen against animal fat consumption. A 2023 study reports that seed oils are the most common source of linoleic acid, a polyunsaturated omega-6 fatty acid, which accounts for “over 25% of the total calorie intake for the average person.” That study also reports that linoleic acid can contribute to the formation of oxidized linoleic acid metabolites, which have been linked to a variety of chronic diseases. But if you’re thinking that you’ve been cooking with sunflower oil your whole life and everything seems fine, you’re probably right.

“Some omega-6 fatty acids are essential for human nutrition. We must have them. Just not much,” says Marion Nestle, the Paulette Goddard professor emerita of nutrition, food studies, and public health at New York University. According to the American Heart Association, polyunsaturated fats can help in reducing bad cholesterol, and moderate amounts are part of a heart-healthy diet. “The misleading charge is that seed oils are high in omega-6 fatty acids that break down into toxins when used for cooking, causing inflammation, weakening the immune system, and contributing to chronic illnesses,” it says.

The real health concern isn’t with seed oils, but with processed foods in general. Cooking with canola oil means you can control exactly how much you’re eating, but many processed foods contain seed oils, as well as high-fructose corn syrup and added sugar and sodium, at levels that consumers might not realize are high.

It’s also hard to pin our health woes on one ingredient. “People are eating more oils, but also everything else,” says Nestle. A 2022 study published in Frontiers in Nutrition about the relationship between the American diet and noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) found that while NCDs were certainly on the rise, and the consumption of saturated fats from animals had declined since 1909, “untangling the causes of NCDs is complex, multifactorial, and controversially unresolved,” the authors write. “The profound dietary changes were accompanied by other lifestyle and demographic changes, including increased urbanization and population density, reduced physical activity commuting to and at work, longer commutes, higher stress, less sleep, more machine and less human time, higher rates of mental health disorders, increased prescription and over-the-counter drug use, many of which increase appetite, and higher salt intake.”

The AHA does acknowledge that the American diet tends to include high amounts of omega-6. The American diet is high in both fried foods (likely fried in seed oil) and red meat. Beef contains twice as much omega-6 fatty acid as omega-3, and American meat consumption has risen in the last century, with 12 percent of Americans responsible for half of the world’s consumption of beef. And while this may not account for the sole rise in omega-6 consumption, there’s a good chance red meat is a culprit. Which would throw a wrench into some carnivore influencers’ theories, and presumably their bottom lines. In general, the AHA recommends following a Mediterranean diet for heart health.

How are restaurants like Carbone responding to seed-oil panic?​

All this talk about seed oils has more customers wondering where they’re used, which is leading some restaurants to be more transparent about their ingredients and advertising themselves as not using seed oils in order to lure customers. After all, aside from any health panic, seed oils are industrial products, so it makes sense that many restaurants that prioritize holistically grown ingredients and small-batch producers don’t want to give their money to Crisco.

Presumably, restaurants that have a lot of fried food on the menu may be particularly concerned about backlash. Coqodaq, a fried chicken-focused restaurant in Manhattan, advertises on its menu that it uses Zero Acre oil, made from fermented sugarcane, which “has 35% more healthy, heat-stable monounsaturated fats than even olive or avocado oils and minimizes the formation of toxic aldehydes, compared to seed oils with high omega-6.” Sweetgreen ditched seed oils last year, and Shake Shack tested out Zero Acre in its fryers, praising the company’s mission to “end the food industry’s dependence on destructive vegetable oils.” If concern over seed oils continues to grow, you’ll probably see more restaurants making it clear whether they use them or not.

Carbone, however, isn’t taking the SOS fliers lying down. In documents provided to Eater by SOS, Major Food Group has sent a cease and desist letter, demanding that SOS remove all signs saying Carbone uses seed oil in its spicy rigatoni. MFG calls the claims “false and misleading,” accuses SOS of attempting to deter customers from dining at Carbone, and says SOS may be in violation of Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act, which covers false advertising and trade libel.

In response via a lawyer, SOS says it has email confirmation from a Carbone employee dated July 31, 2023 saying that the chile oil used in the spicy rigatoni has a sunflower oil base. However, SOS writes that it would be happy to remove the signs if Carbone confirms the recipe has been changed since then.

Okay, so should I eat seed oils or not?​

There are some real concerns at play here. American foodways make it cheaper and easier for us to eat processed, low-nutrient foods, whether that’s fast food fried chicken or packaged frozen meals. There’s nothing wrong with avoiding seed oils, though as both the American Heart Association and SOS agree, it may be impossible unless you commit to cooking all of your own meals.

But you really don’t need to. “Seed oils are not poison. Like just about everything else in nutrition, they are best consumed in balance with other fat sources and in moderation to control calories,” says Nestle. Eating Cocodaq fried chicken four times a week would probably not be great for your cholesterol whether they were using canola or Zero Acre or tallow. So no, seed oils are not single-handedly responsible for all of society’s health problems. Eat them mindfully. And a spoonful of chile oil in pasta is not a problem.
 
My retarded objection is more "how the fuck do you consume oil in enough quantity to impact your health"? Unless you Americans gulp down oil straight from the bottle, you shouldn't be exposed to enough of it to affect your health unless you eat fried food regularly, in which case the oil is the least of your trouble.
As others have already answered, it's simply that seed oils are in everything now. They are very toxic but it's a cumulative effect. - When you've been consuming 80 - 100 GM's of poison daily for many years, you're going to have long term problems.

The scariest thing, for me, is that they are feeding seed oil slop to the animals in our food supply, too, because it's cheaper
I was listening to a video where they explained how much GM corn is used to feed animals in the US. The interesting thing is that corn has a specific Carbon 13 isotope that can be tracked and measured in animal-derived products, so scientists can accurately tell you just how much of that animal's feed was GM corn. The numbers are staggering.
 
I saw a spaghetti sauce recipe that called for butter and I'm glad to see it's a normal thing and not just the invention of some neapolitan madman.
Entire schools of cooking are founded on the use of butter (French cooking in particular). Even the Italians who claim they rely on olive oil use butter extensively.
 
Your body can handle some shit, ingesting a few teaspoons of anything short of actual poison everyday won't fuck you up. Nor will a "super food" help you.
This isn't true at all. Lots of things will accumulate over time and eventually lead to poisoning.

Sushi is a good example of this. Eating it every now and then is fine but consuming it daily is a fast track to mercury poisoning.
 
Americans will blame anything and everything for their obesity before blaming their huge servings, 7-Eleven goyslop diet and laziness.
WARNING nutrition autism ahead

It's not just Americans. EVERYONE is getting fatter and sicker across the globe. We have never seen an obesity epidemic like this in the entirety of recorded human history. Do we really think that the entire world just decided to "be lazy" and eat a lot, just for funsies? In the past, nobody "watched their calories". Calories weren't even invented until 1850 or so. People just ate when they were hungry and stopped when they were full, and yet they didn't balloon into hambeasts. And don't tell me that everyone was perpetually starving all the time just because Doordash didn't exist yet and packaged foods were less convenient. People were thin in the American years of prosperity. Truck drivers, a group not known for their strenuous exercise or good diet, were thin in the 50's. Now they're one of the most obese groups. Think of aristocrat women: they had all the decadent food they could ever eat and were expressly discouraged from doing any exercise besides lifting a teacup to their lips. They were sometimes depicted as pudgy in the past, but nowhere near the levels we see today.

Seed oils produce horrible toxic byproducts when they oxidize, but that's not all. If current theories are correct, seed oils fuck with the ability of cells to partition fuel properly. Normally, cells can detect when fats vs. glucose are coming in and adjust their fat burning/storage accordingly, and then send out satiety signals when they have enough energy. However, polyunsaturated fats (the thing seed oils are high in) mess with this signaling. The satiety signals don't get sent out on time, and the body winds up with an excess of energy that it stores away as fat. There's also evidence that seed oil triggers endocannabinoid receptors in the gut, giving people the "munchies" just like weed does and encouraging them to eat more than they otherwise would.

In addition, seed oils keep cells more insulin sensitive than they should be. Everyone assumes this is a good thing because long-term insulin resistance = diabetes, but... short-term insulin resistance is a normal and healthy thing that is one of the signals a body uses to determine when it has taken in enough food. Not only that, when a cell is insulin sensitive, it generally can't burn fat. So we end up with people who have way too much energy stored as fat, but who can't access it and feel like they're starving all the time despite having 1,000,000 calories stored around their waists. So they eat more, desperately needing energy. Their satiety triggers are broken, so they don't know when to stop eating, and all that food gets stored as MORE fat...

Some people theorize that this fattening tendency actually used to be an evolutionary benefit to humans. Polyunsaturated fat is extremely rare in nature. The only things high in it are nuts and seeds. Which are usually only encountered in fall, when animals need to fatten up, in order to make it through winter. But now we've concentrated the fatten-up-for-winter part to an insane degree and are guzzling it year-round.

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I know I sound like a crackpot but I cannot overemphasize just how insanely unnatural and potentially damaging seed oils can be.
 
It is bad. If you try though it's difficult, but not impossible to avoid seed oils and soy. I've been doing it for a couple of months now.
It can be a hassle but I can get all the stuff I need. Other than whole foods like meat, fruits, and vegetables I can get some bread that’s entirely natural. Although one of the ingredients is “organic expeller pressed canola oil” so if that’s bad I’ll remove it from my diet.
 
It can be a hassle but I can get all the stuff I need. Other than whole foods like meat, fruits, and vegetables I can get some bread that’s entirely natural. Although one of the ingredients is “organic expeller pressed canola oil” so if that’s bad I’ll remove it from my diet.
From every thing I've seen, there are natural, low carb breads. And expeller pressed is supposed to be a-ok for seed oils.

This guy autisticly ate 20 kinds of breads and tested his glucose and found out low carb/high fiber bread with a 5 to 1 ratio or less is good for low blood sugar

Dave's Killer Bread is organic, non-gmo, low sugar and has low carb options.

You can get their Good Seed thin slice bread and it had a carb/fiber ratio of 4, 13g carbs and 2g sugar a slice. Compare that to Wonder Bread, with a carb/fiber ratio of 9, 29g of carbs, and 5g of sugar. So if you want to go carb, under say 50g a day, you could actually have a sandwich or toast for breakfast.

Anybody who doubts this stuff, just take an average day and read the ingredients on the foods you eat. See how many have seed oils, soy, and add up a typical day's carbs. I think you'd be shocked.
 
It's not just Americans. EVERYONE is getting fatter and sicker across the globe. We have never seen an obesity epidemic like this in the entirety of recorded human history. Do we really think that the entire world just decided to "be lazy" and eat a lot, just for funsies? In the past, nobody "watched their calories". Calories weren't even invented until 1850 or so. People just ate when they were hungry and stopped when they were full, and yet they didn't balloon into hambeasts. And don't tell me that everyone was perpetually starving all the time just because Doordash didn't exist yet and packaged foods were less convenient. People were thin in the American years of prosperity. Truck drivers, a group not known for their strenuous exercise or good diet, were thin in the 50's. Now they're one of the most obese groups. Think of aristocrat women: they had all the decadent food they could ever eat and were expressly discouraged from doing any exercise besides lifting a teacup to their lips. They were sometimes depicted as pudgy in the past, but nowhere near the levels we see today.
The obesity issue is real but the cause is arbitrarily adjudicated and likely multi-factorial, that doesn't mean the solution isn't in your hands (exercise and eat less). Goyslop cooked with animal fat is just as bad as goyslop cooked with seed oil, french fries don't suddenly become healthier just because you fried them in butter.
Seed oils produce horrible toxic byproducts when they oxidize
No shit Sherlock, eating burnt crap, whether seed oil or animal fat, is bad for you. This is actually the reason why you shouldn't indiscriminately use extra virgin olive oil for all your cooking because it burns real easy, it's mostly intended as seasoning for example.
If current theories are correct
Didn't read past that.
In addition, seed oils keep cells more insulin sensitive than they should be. Everyone assumes this is a good thing because long-term insulin resistance = diabetes, but... short-term insulin resistance is a normal and healthy thing that is one of the signals a body uses to determine when it has taken in enough food. Not only that, when a cell is insulin sensitive, it generally can't burn fat. So we end up with people who have way too much energy stored as fat, but who can't access it and feel like they're starving all the time despite having 1,000,000 calories stored around their waists. So they eat more, desperately needing energy. Their satiety triggers are broken, so they don't know when to stop eating, and all that food gets stored as MORE fat...
That's kind of normal, your body is configured to consume sugar stored in the liver in the form of glycogen before it starts to burn fat. In any case, do you have a source to read more on the topic?
 
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The linoleic and linolinic acid from linseed oil is what's used to create linoleum. It plasticizes hydrocarbons.

Canola oil is a rebrand of Rapeseed oil, and was originally cultivated as an industrial lubricant for tanks in WW2.

Anyway...
 
Americans will blame anything and everything for their obesity before blaming their huge servings, 7-Eleven goyslop diet and laziness.
Ding ding ding.
They always go back and forth on what ingredient needs to be demonised, but it never occurs to them, that maybe, just maybe, they should stop stuffing their faces for a few a seconds and go for a walk.
 
Food comes out of the ground, not a laboratory. Food isn't man made
Its surprisingly easy to turn hydrocarbons into carbohydrates with a little chemistry knowledge. Hell, a ton of perfectly drinkable ethanol can produced by mixing acid, ethylene gas, and steam together at high temps and pressures.
Canola is an acronym for CANadian Oil, Low Acid.
Yeah, the rapeseed plants we use to get canola were specifically bred to have very low levels of erucic acid.
 
Ding ding ding.
They always go back and forth on what ingredient needs to be demonised, but it never occurs to them, that maybe, just maybe, they should stop stuffing their faces for a few a seconds and go for a walk.
True, but that isn't to the exclusion of the point about modern food being toxic garbage that poisons you and makes you obese and diabetic. Both things can be true simultaneously.

@Pronoun Party
Your post is one of the best in the thread and should be Highlighted.
 
This is gibberish. Read some of the studies about seed oils. The evidence base that they're harmful is basically non-existent. Maybe all the studies investigating the issue are super well designed and they're getting nuked prematurely? Idk but as things currently are, this is braindead nonsense. People desperate for an excuse for why they're fat shits.

This is the "trans women are women" of the right.

Cancer and heart disease is far, far more correlated with being a fat shit than any kind of specific ingredient short of eating straight chewing tobacco. Eat normal person portions and get reasonable amounts of exercise and you shift your likely, inevitable cause of death to something you can't control.
 
oh my god talk about bait (well it's PR drivel but it's bait for a certain segment of the population)

They didn't even argue anything or TRY to argue against, never mind any kind of scientific method, empirical analysis, etc etc

It was PR BAIT with some random anecdotes thrown in, probably sponsored by corpo foods. Notice the mention of stupid shitbag crazies, the liver king or whatever? Yeah that's the PR method of discrediting you by association, and this is the PR method of making you scream at strangers about their grocery purchases, putting you in the crazy camp too
 
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