Opinion Why Are Americans So Negative About the Economy?

May 15, 2023, 7:00 p.m. ET

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Traders on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange in May.Credit...Brendan McDermid/Reuters

By Paul Krugman
Opinion Columnist

Almost a year has passed since the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the U.S. economy had contracted for two quarters in a row. Some people believe, wrongly, that two quarters of falling G.D.P. is the official definition of a recession. Economic negativity ran rampant, especially but not only on the political right.

The interesting question now is why, at least according to some surveys, the public remains very negative on the economy — as negative as it has been in the past amid severe economic downturns — even though those recession calls were clearly a false alarm, and the economy is actually looking remarkably strong. Or maybe the question should be why people say that they’re very negative on the economy.

This is a touchy subject, albeit one I’ve commented on before. You don’t want to say that Americans are stupid; you certainly don’t want to sound like that John McCain adviser who insisted that America was a “nation of whiners” who were experiencing only a “mental recession.”

On the other hand, there are now huge gaps between what people say about the economy and both what the data says and what they say about their own experience. And we have some new information on what lies behind these gaps.

First, about that much-hyped “Biden recession.” The actual definition of a recession involves several economic indicators, and aside from those G.D.P. numbers, nothing that has happened to the economy looks remotely like a recession.

Since December 2021 the U.S. economy has added almost six million jobs while the unemployment rate has fallen from 3.9 percent to 3.4 percent, a level not seen since the 1960s. And no, unemployment isn’t low because Americans have dropped out of the labor force: The percentage of adults either working or looking for a job has declined, but that’s almost entirely a result of an aging population, and labor force participation is right back in line with prepandemic projections.

And these are good jobs, according to workers themselves. According to the Conference Board, which has been surveying job satisfaction since 1987, “U.S. workers have never been more content.”

To be sure, the return of serious inflation after decades of quiescence rattled everyone, and not just because it reduced real incomes. (Real wages fell during Ronald Reagan’s second term, but people felt pretty good about the economy anyway.) One benefit of low inflation is that it gives people one less thing to worry about; according to the American Psychiatric Association, inflation was a major source of stress during 2022.

But inflation, while still elevated, has come way down. The inflation rate over the past six months was 3.3 percent, compared with 9.6 percent last June. The price of gasoline, a major political talking point last year, is now more or less normal compared with average earnings.

And people have noticed. In October, 20 percent of Americans named inflation as the most important problem facing the nation; that’s now down to 9 percent.

So what’s going on? The general rule seems to be that Americans are feeling good about their personal situation but believe that bad things are happening to other people. A Federal Reserve study found that in late 2021 a record-high percentage of Americans were positive about their own finances while a record low were positive about the economy. We don’t have results for 2022 yet, but my guess is that they’ll look similar.

Partisanship surely explains much of this divergence. A newly published study shows that who holds the White House has huge effects on views of the economy; this is true for supporters of both parties, although the effect appears to be about twice as strong for Republicans. The study also finds, however, that these changes in reported views don’t appear to have any effect on actual spending — that they reflect “cheerleading,” as opposed to “actual expectations.”

Beyond that, there’s good reason to believe that media reports about the economy have had a strongly negative bias. One thing that has gone really, really right in America lately is job creation, yet the public consistently reports having heard more negative than positive news about employment.

And let’s not let economists off the hook. As Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics points out, many economists have been predicting recession month after month for the past year. Sooner or later, a recession will no doubt happen, but as he says, “In my 30-plus years as a professional economist, I’ve never seen such recession pessimism,” even as the economy has remained resilient. And this pessimism has surely filtered through to the public.

So where does all this leave us? America hasn’t yet brought inflation back to prepandemic levels, and we may yet have an economic hard landing. But so far, at least, we’ve had a stunningly successful recovery from the Covid shock.

While many Americans tell surveys that things are terrible — which says something about how people respond to surveys and where they get their information — this doesn’t contradict that positive assessment.

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Wrong, stalker, he was just early in predicting Honeycomb.io Field CTO Liz Fong-Jones' insatiable need for rape:
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The most hilarious part is the rest of the quote people tend to leave off, where he explains that the Internet won't change things because most people have nothing to say to each other. Talk about an elitist mindset! He deserves the mockery and ridicule and then some.
 
What Krugman is saying here is that he quite literally was interested in becoming a member of a totalitarian, socially-manipulative class. What a fucking freak.
So bog standard jewish behaviour?
I'm not an economics expert, but once inflation starts, you cannot get out of it.

What makes me mad is around six or so months ago, the thought of "inflation" or "recession" were "right wing misinformation points". NOW, they're admitting what we already foresaw and knew.

One does not need to be well versed in economics to realize that gas, groceries, and cost of living has steadily increased while your net income remains the same. If you're lucky to still have your job.
"Right wing conspiracy" just means truth that they will tacitly admit to (and not give a shit about) in 3-6 months.
 
Not to boast, but I have a pretty secure job and can probably weather this for a while; until the Los Angeles and San Bernardino holding pens break and the diversity spreads into every corner of this shit hole state. But that being said; why are we pissed about the economy? Because the people in decision making decisions are committed to destroying everything; and sadly, most people who aren't ideologues aren't completely retarded and able to detect that their words are lies.

I've watched an 18 pack of eggs go from ~$3.25 to ~$10.00, I've watched a basic pack of bologna go from ~$3.00 to $7.00. I've watched the decision makers do everything to outlaw gas/oil energy without a reliable fill-in, and said prices spike. I've watched the Federal Reserve print more dollars in the span of 12 months than the entire history since its founding in 1913; while the politicians and media tell us every lie under the sun from "Inflation won't happen" hit every stop in the road before finally settling on "Inflation is good." All while our borders are being flooded, and we're dumping billions of dollars and entire stockpiles to a foreign country most people (to include the dinosaurs in DC) couldn't point to on a fucking map... ... ... and that country's leader is being given the rockstar treatment harder than Obama.

While everyone is talking about the $1 menu. Del Taco used to have Taco Night every Wednesday, it was like 30 cents for a taco, regularly they were like 79 cents. They're like $2.33 for 1 now, and Taco Night no longer exists.
 
Probably because the economy is shit and it's been shit for about 20+ years now. It only got worse in the 2007-2010 period. There is really nothing about the US economy that says everything is fine. Yes the economy added X number of jobs cope. Those are all low paying shit jobs no one wants. The same kind of jobs that have been around for the last 30 years since they started with the whole globalism free trade lets send jobs over to China thing. In the 90's it was NAFTA. NAFTA is a still an issue. Then lets bring in cheap foreign labor legally and illegally. While we are at it lets print up money and devalue the dollar and make inflation go higher. While we do that we will keep the minimum wage low for our rich friends so Americans keep getting paid like it's the 1970's or 1980's in the 21st century. Then we will bring in cheap foreign labor legally and illegally to keep already low wages even lower.

They cook the books on unemployment. They only count the people currently getting unemployment bennies. Once all your unemployment is gone you are no longer counted. There is a lot more unemployed people out there than the official numbers show. About 1/3 of the US population is unemployed. About 25-30% of Americans don't have a job. When people say there are no jobs what they mean is there are no well paying jobs. Meaning jobs that pay enough that you can support yourself on. No one works for fun. They work to support themselves. To keep a roof over their head and food on the table or wherever you eat. When the jobs don't pay enough to do that people stop working. They aren't going to work and live like a homeless bum. They can be a bum and not work. They also count people in temporary jobs like someone making minimum wage in a pop up shop like Spirit of Halloween or people that hired on as extras for Holidays that will be let go once the Holiday is over. Which is about a few weeks. Then it's back to the usual skeleton crew they use to run the place. They also don't count the underemployed. People working part time and shit like that. None of that gets counted in. Another thing they use and this is a probably one of the bigger ones people working multiple jobs. Which has been a thing for a while now. The ability to support yourself with just one job is gone. It's dead and over. Most people work multiple jobs now. How many jobs are people going to take before they say enough is enough? 2 3 or 4 fucking jobs?

Inflation is a big issue. But the inflation isn't as bad as some people make it out to be. With people bringing up the Weimar Republic all the time. But no one is taking wheelbarrows of cash to stores to buy stuff. What makes inflation so awful is that they kept wages so low for so long. If they had just raised the minimum wage up incrementally over time to keep up with inflation it wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal as it is. Yes the cost increase for products and services would be noticeable. But not like it is now. It's a combination of inflation and low stagnant wages that makes the inflation a big deal. It's not just the inflation alone. Paying people 1980's wages with 21st century cost of living was never going to go over well. It's not the 1980's anymore and rent isn't $80 a month.

The US is in late stage capitalism. This is your country on capitalism. especially unchecked capitalism. When capitalism is allowed to operate freely and capitalists can do as they please this is what you get. They have destroyed the country all in the name of increased profits. Capitalism has failed. Just put in the trash next to communism and let's move on and figure out something else. What's going on isn't working. At least not for everyone.
 
Not to boast, but I have a pretty secure job and can probably weather this for a while; until the Los Angeles and San Bernardino holding pens break and the diversity spreads into every corner of this shit hole state. But that being said; why are we pissed about the economy? Because the people in decision making decisions are committed to destroying everything; and sadly, most people who aren't ideologues aren't completely retarded and able to detect that their words are lies.

I've watched an 18 pack of eggs go from ~$3.25 to ~$10.00, I've watched a basic pack of bologna go from ~$3.00 to $7.00. I've watched the decision makers do everything to outlaw gas/oil energy without a reliable fill-in, and said prices spike. I've watched the Federal Reserve print more dollars in the span of 12 months than the entire history since its founding in 1913; while the politicians and media tell us every lie under the sun from "Inflation won't happen" hit every stop in the road before finally settling on "Inflation is good." All while our borders are being flooded, and we're dumping billions of dollars and entire stockpiles to a foreign country most people (to include the dinosaurs in DC) couldn't point to on a fucking map... ... ... and that country's leader is being given the rockstar treatment harder than Obama.

While everyone is talking about the $1 menu. Del Taco used to have Taco Night every Wednesday, it was like 30 cents for a taco, regularly they were like 79 cents. They're like $2.33 for 1 now, and Taco Night no longer exists.
My brother, I remember Taco Night. They took it behind the shed and shot it with a 20mm HE shell. The Krugmans of the world will never understand the feeling of feeling full on only a couple bucks worth of scratch because it's beneath them or some shit
 
Why won't you fucking plebs just listen to us and stop using your eyes and ears - the article.

Keep coping DNC and globalist. You guys aren't the masters of the universe. People can see behind the curtain. Et. al etc. etc.

Following up on what @Kheapathic and @CuzinEd said, Real wages haven't budged since 1980 or so.

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The US is in late stage capitalism. This is your country on capitalism. especially unchecked capitalism. When capitalism is allowed to operate freely and capitalists can do as they please this is what you get. They have destroyed the country all in the name of increased profits. Capitalism has failed. Just put in the trash next to communism and let's move on and figure out something else. What's going on isn't working. At least not for everyone.
What else is there? Capitalism is the best we got. I think actually applying the law to people higher up is a start. Stop giving CEOs who do white collar crimes Club fed.
 
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The US is in late stage capitalism. This is your country on capitalism. especially unchecked capitalism. When capitalism is allowed to operate freely and capitalists can do as they please this is what you get. They have destroyed the country all in the name of increased profits. Capitalism has failed. Just put in the trash next to communism and let's move on and figure out something else. What's going on isn't working. At least not for everyone.
I don't wanna say "real capitalism has never been tried", or split hairs, but is this really a failure of capitalism? How are we defining "capitalism", for one thing? It's an incredibly broad term, and exists in many different forms.

I wouldn't exactly call what we have free enterprise. It's more like Corporate Socialism, in which Big Business gets the lion's share of gibsmedats in exchange for acting as unofficial arms of the government.

Like @tehpope said, the solution isn't to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but to ensure that free enterprise has rules that apply to everyone.
 
My brother, I remember Taco Night. They took it behind the shed and shot it with a 20mm HE shell. The Krugmans of the world will never understand the feeling of feeling full on only a couple bucks worth of scratch because it's beneath them or some shit
this trigger the nostalgia machine, and I gotta travel back, back to a simpler time, back to when McDonalds sold 29 cent hamburgers on Wednesdays and 39 cent cheeseburgers on Sundays. It was fucking phenomenal and I remember they had to add a 20 burger limit and my gods we were seniors and allowed to go off-campus for lunch and we'd come back loaded with 100 fucking burgers and would be kings, KINGS I tell you
 
this trigger the nostalgia machine, and I gotta travel back, back to a simpler time, back to when McDonalds sold 29 cent hamburgers on Wednesdays and 39 cent cheeseburgers on Sundays. It was fucking phenomenal and I remember they had to add a 20 burger limit and my gods we were seniors and allowed to go off-campus for lunch and we'd come back loaded with 100 fucking burgers and would be kings, KINGS I tell you
I would give feels but mobile Tor hates life lol. Never got to experience that, really just got to experience the afterglow of the 90s then straight into the 2010s. Even then, we've always been losing ground, but not this fast. After working hard all day, sometimes you just need that greasy McDonald's. They've made it that much harder despite unemployment, according to the chart, being low as shit
 
I remember all hell breaking loose at McDonald’s about 15 years ago for raising their price of a double cheeseburger from 99 cents and had to introduce the McDouble. A little while ago I saw the double cheeseburger go for $3.39.

Regarding Krugman, this will always be my favorite contribution of his: https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/795324133655674880
 
I would give feels but mobile Tor hates life lol. Never got to experience that, really just got to experience the afterglow of the 90s then straight into the 2010s. Even then, we've always been losing ground, but not this fast. After working hard all day, sometimes you just need that greasy McDonald's. They've made it that much harder despite unemployment, according to the chart, being low as shit
The Trump economy was a glimpse of what the 90s were like and does theoretically serve as a proof of concept of what transitioning back to an energy sufficient, protectionist economy would do today. The problems are that there's so much red tape supported by at least half the country blocking standard business practices (ESG) and doubling down on failed policies. I really don't see a long term solution other than a Soviet-style collapse of America and rebuilding from scratch.

I could be wrong of course. I don't fully understand Trump's thought processes, but he is the only one that can credibly turn America's misfortunes around. Anyone else though? Can be absorbed by the Swamp.
 
I don't fully understand Trump's thought processes,
He is an egotist, he likes to be praised so he did something that got him lots of praise.

He ran as a candidate for the people who the GOP has utterly failed for the past Generation and a half.
 
I meant his economic reasoning and how to puzzle out our current totally-not-a-recession.
At this point, the economics are simple enough: tarrif everything, use that money to pay debt and invest in manufacturing, and if it comes down to it, let the economy crash.
 
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