Where Are The Black People In 'Shogun'?

The 2024 version of Shogun begins in 1600, as did the 1980 version, both based on the novel by James Clavell. I watched the 1980 version when it came out, hailed by many as a cinematic wonder providing great insight into feudal Japan. It came out three years after Roots and, to many Americans, was their introduction to the history of Japan, though presented from a European viewpoint. 1980 Shogun, starring Richard Chamberlain, also reinforced the white savior trope, far too common in film, television, and history books.

The 2024 version focuses far more on the Japanese perspective. The white characters appearing in the first episodes representing Portugal, Spain, England, and Holland could hardly be deemed heroic. However, the character John Blackthorne, now played by Cosmo Jarvis, is already a pivotal figure and will be a hero, along with several Japanese characters. Others are already praising the new 10-part series as a cultural sea change from the 1980 version. I ask the question now that I naively didn’t ask in 1980. Where are the Black people?

I don’t ask out of a desire to see representation when it wasn’t historically accurate. I inquire because there were Black people in Japan in 1600 and before, though Japan could teach Florida a thing or two about rewriting history. According to multiple sources, one of the early real-life Shoguns, Sakanoue no Tamuramaro (758–811), was Black, though denied by others. There is a consensus he was something other than pure Japanese, and he is often considered descended from the Ainu, the darker-skinned indigenous people of northern Japan who were subjected to forced assimilation and colonization.

Historian Mark Hyman described a statue in honor of Tamuramaro in his book.

"As seen in the temple where he has was honored, Maro’s statue was taller than his fellow contributors," wrote Hyman "His hair was curly and tight; his eyes were large and wide-set and brown. His nostrils were flared, his forehead wider, his jaws thick and slightly protruded.”

The statue of Tamuramaro at Kiyomizudera is normally closed to the public. Since its construction in 778, Kiyomizudera has been plagued by numerous fires and rebuilt several times. The current statue has none of the Negroid features described by Hyman.

Many researchers have documented the suggestion of and existence of Africans in Japan, one dating back 22,000 years, near Osaka, where much of the Shogun series took place.

“The probable number of Negroes who reached the shores of Asia may be estimated somewhat by the wide area over which they were found on that continent," said Lois Maillou Jones. "Historians tell us that at one time Negroes were found in all of the countries of southern Asia bordering the Indian Ocean and along the east coast as far as Japan. There are many interesting stories told by those who reached that distant land, which at that time they called `Cipango. One of the most prominent characters in Japanese history was a Negro warrior called Sakanouye Tamura Maro.”

Whether or not Sakanoue no Tamuramaro was Black won’t be resolved here, but the existence of Black people in Japan in the period Shogun depicts is not in doubt. Black slaves and crew members accompanied the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, and French ships. While British ships didn’t typically have black sailors until after 1800. The ship sailed by John Blackthorne was a Duch vessel, which often used Black sailors in 1600. Blackthorne’s character was based on the real-life William Adams, who landed in Japan in 1600 on his ship, de Liefde, sailing under Holland’s flag.

A group of Rotterdam merchants that pre-dated the Dutch East India Company commissioned five ships on the expedition to Japan, of which only one landed with 25 survivors. While the Dutch East India Company would have used Black crew members, I have no evidence that Adams (or Blackthorne) would have had Black crewmen. They would likely have existed among the contingents of Portuguese missionaries appearing thus far in the series.

Historian John G. Russell wrote a paper, “Excluded Presence: Shoguns, Minstrels, Bodyguards, and Japan’s Encounters with the Black Other.” He documented the arrival of Black people in Japan in several capacities and that some Black people even owned Japanese servants and enslaved people.

The primary setting of Shogun was Osaka, which was Japan’s economic hub and cultural center during the period of the series. If there were Black people anywhere in Japan (and there were), they would also be in Osaka. Not necessarily freely living and roaming among the people but certainly as part of the groups of European emissaries. Perhaps the 2024 version of Shogun will break ground in future episodes and include the Black people present at the time, though they didn’t in 1980. There is a range of hues among the Japanese people depicted; maybe one will be revealed to be Black. There are some upcoming naval scenes pitting Japanese ships against Europeans, so there’s hope some Black sailors will reflect historical accuracy.

This post originally appeared on Medium and is edited and republished with author's permission. Read more of William Spivey's work on Medium. And if you dig his words, buy the man a coffee.

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Hiroyuki Sanada, who is playing the Shogun, had a few conditions to play the role, the 2 major ones being
1)Hire a Japanese crew who has worked on samurai dramas in Japan.
2)Historical accuracy, (code for no forced Diversity or race swapping any roles)

Thank God he takes his craft seriously or we would have gotten "we waz shoguns and sheeeit" with tranny race swapped samurai.

If Ainu are niggers, than what are Filipinos? Coalmen?
Philla-beaners, the Mexicans of South East Asia, they often go to other richer countries in Asia to act as maids and domestic servants and send the money home to their giant worthless families.
 
Look what I found: https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/0...ye-no-tamuramaro-black-shogun-of-early-japan/

The World of Sakanouye No Tamuramaro: Black Shogun of Early Japan​

Posted byBy Runoko Rashidi | Published on: September 7, 2014

DEDICATED TO WAYNE B. CHANDLER

“For a Samurai to be brave, he must have a bit of Black blood.”
— Japanese Proverb

In 1994 I was invited to Japan to lecture at two United States military bases. It was to be my initial trip to east Asia and my second travel experience in Asia overall. I visited India for the first time in 1987. Japan turned out to be an exceptionally important trip for me, and the lectures themselves went very well. I gained a great deal of information, and for the first time I had the opportunity to interact with the Ainu — some of Japan’s most ancient residents. I also attended a really excellent exhibit on women in ancient Egypt while it was on tour in Tokyo.

Now I have always thought of Japan as a fascinating country and felt extremely fortunate to be able to travel there. But I felt that I knew quite a bit about the Black presence in early Japan even before I first touched down on Japanese soil.

Although the island nation of Japan, occupying the extreme eastern extensions of Asia, is assumed by many to have been historically composed of an essentially homogeneous population and culture, the accumulated evidence (much of which has been quietly ignored) places the matter in a vastly different light, and though far more study needs to be done on the subject, it seems indisputable that Black people in Japan played an important role from the most remote phases of antiquity into at least the ninth century.

Meaningful indications of an African presence in ancient Japan have been unearthed from the most remote ages of the Japanese past. To begin with, and as a significant example, a Feb. 15, 1986, report carried by the Associated Press, chronicled that:

“The oldest Stone Age hut in Japan has been unearthed near Osaka. … Archaeologists date the hut to about 22,000 years ago and say it resembles the dugouts of African bushmen, according to Wazuo Hirose of Osaka Prefectural of Education’s cultural division. `Other homes, almost as old, have been found before, but this discovery is significant because the shape is cleaner, better preserved’ and is similar to the Africans’ dugouts.”

In 1923, anthropologist Roland B. Dixon wrote that “this earliest population of Japan were in the main a blend of Proto-Australoid and Proto-Negroid types, and thus similar in the ancient underlying stratum of the population, southward along the whole coast and throughout Indo-China, and beyond to India itself.” Dixon pointed out that, “In Japan, the ancient Negrito element may still be discerned by characteristics which are at the same time exterior and osteologic.”

In his last major text, Civilization or Barbarism: An Authentic Anthropology (published posthumously in English in 1991), the brilliant Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop (1923-1986) pointed out that:

“In the first edition of the Nations negres et culture (1954), I posited the hypothesis that the Yellow race must be the result of an interbreeding of Black and White in a cold climate, perhaps around the end of the Upper Paleolithic period. This idea is widely shared today by Japanese scholars and researchers. One Japanese scientist, Nobuo Takano, M.D., chief of dermatology at the Hammatsu Red Cross Hospital, has just developed this idea in Japanese that appeared in 1977, of which he was kind enough to give me a copy in 1979, when, passing through Dakar, he visited my laboratory with a group of Japanese scientists.

“Takano maintains, in substance, that the first human being was Black; then Blacks gave birth to Whites, and the interbreeding of these two gave rise to the Yellow race; these three stages are in fact the title of his book in Japanese, as he explained it to me.”

As to linguistics, in 1987 former Senegalese president Leopold Sedar Senghor noted that, “The people who populate the island of Japan today are descendants from Blacks … Let us not forget that the first population of Japan was Black … and gave to Japan their first language.”

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Of the Black people of early Japan, the most picturesque single figure was Sakanouye no Tamuramaro, a warrior symbolized in Japanese history as a “paragon of military virtues,” and a man who has captured the attention of some of the most distinguished scholars of 20th century America.

Perhaps the first such scholar to make note of Tamuramaro was Alexander Francis Chamberlain (1865-1914). An anthropologist, Chamberlain was born in Kenninghall, Norfolk, England, and was brought to America as a child. In April 1911, the Journal of Race Development published an essay by Chamberlain titled The Contribution of the Negro to Human Civilization. While discussing the African presence in early Asia, Chamberlain stated in an exceptionally frank and matter of fact manner:

“And we can cross the whole of Asia and find the Negro again, for when, in far-off Japan, the ancestors of the modern Japanese were making their way northward against the Ainu, the aborigines of that country, the leader of their armies was Sakanouye Tamuramaro, a famous general and a Negro.”
 
Even shoehorned niggers couldn't have made the new adaptation shittier.

EDIT: Nah, it's alright I guess. The 1980 miniseries is better though.
 
Yeah, I saw the film about him. He has a wonky eye and works for the mafia as a contract hitman, then they fuck his boss over so he goes on a revenge spree, and the higher ups underestimate his commitment to quoting bushido and don't realize he's already been paid for the year's employment.
 
Ever notice no one ever goes looking for the forgotten blacks in the Wehrmacht? Or in Franco's Spain? or the Court of King John of England? Funny how they only want to find them in amongst the right-side-of-history crowds.....
 
Whoever says this doesn't understand the plot. Yes, Blackthorne does save Toranaga and others, but effectively, he's a prisoner. He's doomed to never leave Japan and to serve at Toranaga's pleasure. If these people had bothered to skip to the end of the 1980 series or book, they would have realized this.

Oh, wait, he's black. He can't read.
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"I write about politics ..." What a laugh!
 
"The Obama Clan were proud supporters of the Shogun and one of their descendents became King Nigger."

This author probably.
 
Anything starring a White man in a leading role where he's not playing some kind of complete bathroom is a "White saviour trope", to these people.
I remember when they made a stink about Matt Damon being the lead in The Great Wall when the director, who is Chinese, said he wanted Matt Damon because the actor is a big star to Chinese audiences.
 
According to multiple sources, one of the early real-life Shoguns, Sakanoue no Tamuramaro (758–811), was Black, though denied by others.
You know, when I opened this thread I expected them to claim that because Yasuke was Oda's Nobunigga that Japan in the show should look like downtown Baltimore but Yakubians never fail to take the insanity to the next level. I mean the article is a black revisionist shitshow but somehow it doesn't even mention Yasuke.
 
I think (read: hope) that sometime in the near-ish future blacks are going to be seen, as a race, passe, lame, uncool. On top of being violent and low IQ, a general understanding seems to be emerging that they've become a race of teacher's pets, and that the reaction is one day going to be just to exclude them from everything that isn't explicitly sub-Saharan.


theyve certainly shed the whole "dumb and violent but not little bitches" image they used to have thats for sure! i mean calling up someones job cause of what they said? talk about faggot ass shit
 
Yup, I can definitely see the Japs, who are some of the most racists people in the world, not only accepting a black man but openly allowing him to rule them as Shogun.

Of course they didn't write any of this down, nor create any artwork of what would be an immensely unique ruler of Japan. A outsider ruler to a people who told Genghis motherfucking Khan they would rather die then serve but they totes OK with some black Africian dude rolling up and become Shogun? They just tottaly forgot to mention this amazing jogger in the oral and written histories they religiously kept.

I want what ever this blogger is smoking cuz it is some PRIME shit.
 
According to multiple sources, one of the early real-life Shoguns, Sakanoue no Tamuramaro (758–811), was Black, though denied by others.
Stopped reading there. Shogun starts in 1600 and the first person you cite as proof that black people live in Japan is someone from 800 years ago, and not even someone who is even widely agreed to have been black.
 
Japan did that during the Edo period, which started around 1600. Shogun takes place immediately before Edo, when foreigners were still allowed to come to Japan.
Not entirely true. The Dutch were given part of Nagasaki in hopes they wouldn't invade because they were defenseless against their sabers. A barely trained member of a Dutch ship's crew could beat a highly trained samurai without much of an issue mainly due to how Japan developed with their lack of iron.
 
A basic fucking Wikipedia search yields this as a result:

Not once in the entire fucking article on pozzed-as-fuck Wikimotherfuckingpedia is this bastard's potential nigger heritage brought up. If he's of foreign extraction at all, he's apparently part of one of the Cromwell-esque waves of Chinks who crossed the sea to invade (or maybe the 30-times-great grandson of a prize wife brought back to Grorious Nippon from Chinkland during one of their invasions of the mainland).

Also I love that while these people will absolutely shit on anything and everything white at the drop of a hat, they bring up some motherfucker who probably believed in physiognomy as a 'source' from 1923 in one of their attempts at "WE WUZ SHOGUNS N SHIEEEEEET." 1923. :story:
 
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