When exactly did US counterculture become right wing?

[Skitarii]

Society was still pushing for gay marriage back in 2012, and it was fashionable to hate on republicans, but libertarianism was also a huge thing back then too. When exactly did the left become the establishment?

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

There have always been right-wing countercultures, look at the militia movement of the 90s.

 

[Synthetic Smug]

It's kind of always been there. You had the Ayn Rand acolytes back in the 70's and the Beats held the hippies and a lot of the antiwar left in contempt. If you ignore labels a lot of the stuff Abbie Hoffman talked about in 'Steal This Book' would fit right in with the pranking and the armed desire to be left the fuck alone that gets associated with the (non-glowie, non-grifting catboy) alt right.

Mostly it's just this slow growth that exists in response to a growing authoritarianism that you saw from the left as they distanced themselves from blue collar labor.

 

[_cracka(not)lackin_]

Republicanism is not counter culture, the mainstream left and right are two sides of the same coin. If you're referring to the rising alt-right culture (and the anti-state culture more broadly speaking), the people who are a part of it often hate both Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Anti-Intellectual]

Republicanism is not counter culture, the mainstream left and right are two sides of the same coin. If you're referring to the rising alt-right culture (and the anti-state culture more broadly speaking), the people who are a part of it often hate both Republicans and Democrats.

Those parties are opposite sides of the same corporate owned coin. In fact, What we call a deep state seems more like a hydra, the Right is busy fighting the Left head of it while the opposite is true for the Left. When you take a step back you realize it's just one giant monster with many heads engaged in the divide and conquer of society.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Sadly, the answer might actually be Gamergate. It woke up a bunch of largely apolitical Center-Left types who watched Colbert and Stewart during the Bush years and drifted away from politics once the media had their man in the White House. The gaming industry was a huge entertainment industry, and likely just enough that social media took a turn which Donald Trump took advantage of. r/TheDonald had a Tucker Carlson AMA, and Reddit as well as 8Chan promoted Gamergate.

It tipped the scales, and like with that Whore Who Sucked and Fucked for Good Reviews the media went hog wild against it until there was an underground counterculture against the media and the democrats.

Personally, I think that it is largely dead and the only people who still think of themselves as Right Wing Counterculture is QAnon, Shapiro fans, and Cozy.tv. Maybe events will change this, but maybe the cringe will kill it first. Although as a Jreg Centricide enthusiast, I'm not opposed to it coming back. I'm just sick of the fake posturing, America is failing year by year.

 

[Meat Target]

Sadly, the answer might actually be Gamergate. It woke up a bunch of largely apolitical Center-Left types who watched Colbert and Stewart during the Bush years and drifted away from politics once the media had their man in the White House. The gaming industry was a huge entertainment industry, and likely just enough that social media took a turn which Donald Trump took advantage of. r/TheDonald had a Tucker Carlson AMA, and Reddit as well as 8Chan promoted Gamergate.

It tipped the scales, and like with that Whore Who Sucked and Fucked for Good Reviews the media went hog wild against it until there was an underground counterculture against the media and the democrats.

Personally, I think that it is largely dead and the only people who still think of themselves as Right Wing Counterculture is QAnon, Shapiro fans, and Cozy.tv. Maybe events will change this, but maybe the cringe will kill it first. Although as a Jreg Centricide enthusiast, I'm not opposed to it coming back. I'm just sick of the fake posturing, America is failing year by year.
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If not Gamergate, it was at least in Obama's second term. A lot of conservatives realized after running Romney that playing nice was not an option. They wanted someone, anyone, who would at least act like they gave a shit about the common man, or just sound sincere about it.

That came in the form of a thrice-married, lifelong Democrat billionaire from New York.

 

[Barry McKockner]

GG was the hand that pulled the veil down from mainstream media for normies. Watching them double, triple, and quadruple down that they did nothing wrong changed everyone's perspectives on them.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Its kind of sad that the supposed right wing counterculture now still supports the establishment.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Media going woke shifted the Overton Window so much that there are no more radical left positions and a lot of centrist positions of 20 years ago are too radical right by current media standards.

 

[Dyn]

"The Right" is not counterculture. The mainstream right and the mainstream left are both corporate-owned establishment whores, while autistic fringe rightoids and leftoids are both counterculture who just sometimes hate each other so much they'll side with the establishment against each other.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

2012 or so. Occupy Wall Street had devolved into pot smoking street shitting fags who mingled with the idpol left and their progressive stacks. 2012 had Obama's re-election, Trayvon Martin getting ventilated, and all sorts of beginnings of what we know as SJW/tumblr culture starting to break into the mainstream. A lot of people I recall made fun of their retardation, others didn't and thought they have a point. The former became the seed of modern right-wing counterculture.

Now there were other right-wing countercultures like evangelical Christian shit in the 80s but those always had competition since politics weren't so decisively left-wing back then as they were post-2012.

Personally, I think that it is largely dead and the only people who still think of themselves as Right Wing Counterculture is QAnon, Shapiro fans, and Cozy.tv. Maybe events will change this, but maybe the cringe will kill it first. Although as a Jreg Centricide enthusiast, I'm not opposed to it coming back. I'm just sick of the fake posturing, America is failing year by year.
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It's just not as cool because it became mainstream among the Right, like to the point my boomer parents regularly use years-old sanitized /pol/ memes (which gets fucking surreal sometimes) and on the occasions I hear bits of Tucker Carlson's show he's just covering shit I heard a week ago here. I mean I guess it's good that someone is telling boomers this sort of stuff and driving the right away from "muh free markets muh Israel" but still.

It's still alive though, and the fact /pol/ isn't totally overtaken by spam and shillbots and this website still exists is proof of it. But it's just so...empty compared to classic left-wing counterculture, since it's given us little but lots of nice memes. Right-wing counterculture has given us zilch in music, video games, entertainment, etc. compared to left-wing counterculture, and I suspect the reason is the right-wing just wants to complain about shit like the Fandom Menace fags making hours and hours of videos bashing Disney Star Wars for the billionth time or the Comicsgate insanity instead of trying to create something new. And note they also don't support creators who do try anything new, because that doesn't make money compared to screeching about Disney Star Wars or what some commie faggot on Twitter said this week.

In that sense it's more like the endless ink spilled on the columns in obscure commie newspapers in the 60s instead of the commies who broke into the mainstream like Pete Seeger or the commies who worked behind the scenes in Hollywood.

Its kind of sad that the supposed right wing counterculture now still supports the establishment.

It's because there's always been a libertarian element to it and libertarianism is backed by the corporations because they know it translates into support for politicians who give tax breaks to megacorporations. Libertarians are also okay with troons and other degeneracy promotion, so of course the establishment loves them, basically they're the ultimate useful idiot (hence why all libertarians who actually make it just become Republicans like the Koch brothers). Other right-wing counterculture gets subverted by other conservative orgs like TPUSA and Ben Shapiro types whose job is to bring them back into the mainstream. The remaining element is mostly too faggy for anyone to take notice of, that's like Nick Fuentes-tier shit.

 

[Wormy]

Once the establishment left won the culture war and changed. That's pretty much it.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah I'd also go with Gamergate, cringe answer but it was the point where anti feminism and political correctness burst into collective consciousness and YouTube replaced news sites for many.

 

[gang weeder]

I don't think there is much genuine "counterculture" these days. I'm not sure if boomers in MAGA hats counts as "counterculture." Groypers and wignat types are too pathetic to count.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

It's just not as cool because it became mainstream among the Right, like to the point my boomer parents regularly use years-old sanitized /pol/ memes (which gets fucking surreal sometimes) and on the occasions I hear bits of Tucker Carlson's show he's just covering shit I heard a week ago here. I mean I guess it's good that someone is telling boomers this sort of stuff and driving the right away from "muh free markets muh Israel" but still.

Whatever braincells Israel left, QAnon will finish starving. this is never going to end that way because the Democrat has one last trick. Threatening the Grand Old Soviet Empire with nuclear war. Nuclear weapons are less than they were during the Cold War, NYC probably could continue after it has been twice nuked rather than totally glassed and given to the sea. 1/3 of Americans would die, but they would be the city dwellers who couldn't be fed in a disaster anyway. Virtually all of Russia's population would be destroyed, and the survivors would exist in wooded rural areas that have never seen a paved road to pothole.

These people, like the Speaker of the House would rather hold office in a hellscape rather than step aside and let America progress. Russia knows this, and so the fight is set. Either America heals and Democrats just decide give up power out of nowhere to at least their black and brown young voters, America sets the stage for nuclear war to unite the nation behind them since nothing less has worked, or Russia succeeds in pushing the nation into civil war to save themselves. This is the Russian Interference they keep harping on about, the malinformation which is neither disinformation nor misinformation.

Maybe State governments will instead get a boost from the boomer, and the civil strife will be more organized rather than starving zombie Urbans vs dumb-but-resourceful Rurals? I'm convinced America will only shed its aged state literally rather than structurally in the passing of the boomer. There will be heroes in the historical times we are approaching, but there will be LARPs that will end in horror. China's pretense that France, Australia, United States, Netherlands and New Zealand don't supply over half their calories might cause them to side with Russia as the greatest LARP of the century, or they might actually try to save us from the democrats death spiral?

Right-wing counterculture has given us zilch in music, video games, entertainment, etc. compared to left-wing counterculture, and I suspect the reason is the right-wing just wants to complain about shit like the Fandom Menace fags making hours and hours of videos bashing Disney Star Wars for the billionth time or the Comicsgate insanity instead of trying to create something new.

Wrong. Dead Wrong.

Vaporwave came from Fashwave, which was Beat Drops that consisted of Germanic hoarse screaming admittedly, but it was strangled in its crib. They all were, and American culture would have been entirely different in at least the Red States. Nothing was fleshed out, but the beginnings of a new perspective and expression was formed. Where it would have gone? I cannot say but the vaporwave alone would have changed music today from the dry repetitiveness we see from large corporate music firms. It was racist and unpolished, I make no claim to the quality. I only claim that it happened, and that it was ended and in some cases people went to jail for illegal opinions.

Many people will say that is just shit racism, and they're right. But it took on a new inventiveness and it sure as fuck wasn't corporate. It was propaganda, but arguably that is what is necessary to change the culture the quickest. It was murdered for moral reasons, that is my only point. It did exist, and it had to be holocausted for the good of greater humanity without hesitation. That is what I'm arguing. Anyone who wants to call it shit, that's fine but it wasn't allowed to exist is my very singular point. It happened, it was propaganda where it wasn't shit, but it happened nevertheless.

 

[AtrocityVoyeur]

Vaporwave came from Fashwave

You sure about that?

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

You sure about that?

Nope, but thank you for enlightening me.

So the 80's retro didn't come from Trump being compared to Reagan? I genuinely thought that it did. My bad.

 

[AtrocityVoyeur]

Nope, but thank you for enlightening me.

So the 80's retro didn't come from Trump being compared to Reagan? I genuinely thought that it did. My bad.

No worries, I'm an autist about music genres, especially microgenres. Thanks for accepting the correction gracefully.

But you're not wrong- Fashwave has some real bangers, and is probably the most interesting intermingling of music and ideology that's emerged during our lifetimes.

Unfortunately like all music that looks "backwards" at culture (this includes folk music's longing for a false social utopia) it has the tendency to obscure the realities of the time it celebrates. I'm not casting aspersions here, just making a sad observation. I'd much rather live in a world that conserves traditions instead of destroying them, but this one ain't it.

This comment from the linked video really gets me in the feels:

my brother is severely autistic. he would spend a majority of his time watching movies from his childhood, namely the musical scores he really enjoyed. growing up in the room next to him, I would hear him listening the same 5 to 10 second part for hours on end, trying to relive the joy and wonder it once brought him. it always deeply saddened me and listening to this is a painful experience, but a powerful one. all of us in some way hold our endearing experiences tight, whether that is replaying the same videogame, rewatching our favorite tv show, hanging out with the same friends, re-creating our favorite childhood meals. but all that rewinding comes at a cost of diminishing the memory. morphing it into a cold, meaningless echo

 

[Sicklick]

>left being counterculture
Nigga, is this the 1960s or some shit? The "conservatism is the NEW counterculture" InfoWarrior shit is the most cringy boomer-tier nonsense ever. Nazism has been the new norm ever since the last maybe 10-14 years now. I still remember because I'm old enough to remember the year 2008. That was when you had the Tea Party, Prop 8, Obama, all the people shitting on Obama, all the memes shitting on Obama (like that "gay Obama" comic I remember seeing), if anything, rightism was more appealing to normies back then than it is now to an extent. I remember back when climate change was called a "natural cycle" and terrorism was called "staged". The "dissident community" back then was actually a lot more high IQ than the one now. Hell, even that "2 Gryphon" furry (who everybody calls a "Nazi" now) shit on foreigners, liberals and so on. Your "YT skeptic community" even in its infancy days of Terroja Kirk, Thunderf00t, Zinnia Jones and so on were speaking to an era that was already long dead by that time. Neoliberals are a dying a breed because they're so obvious.

Even popular culture was different. Yes, it was still extremely negrified because it's America, but you had rappers like Eminem and Kanye West praising Sarah Palin and Lisa Anderson playing her in a porno flick that became a meme almost instantly (literally started off as a "knock-knock" joke). The growing conservative discontent has only increased exponentially since '08. 2012 it was Trayvon Martin and conservatives were ripping the media a new one over their bullshit and lies. 2013 BLM started, 2014-15 Gamergate and the alt-right started, 2016 Trump got elected, 2017 Charlottesville happened and the establishment GOP/DNC tried to shutdown the dissident right unsuccessfully, leading to j6 in 2k21. Need I continue? Now a large amount of voters in the US agree with white nationalist policies (sauce) and politicians are pandering to white voters by using white nationalist talking points and endorsing white nationalist intellectuals like Nick Fuentes just to scoop in more votes. Despite all the censorship, word tends to get around very quickly on the tubes, y'know. We've returned back to the 1960s where white supremacy has become somewhat of a voting bloc. And it's been that way since 2008.