When did you start to feel "modern media sucks?"

[Tasty Tatty]

Terminator - 1984

Terminator 2 - 1991

Terminator 3 - 2003

The common denominator of these movies is how the human spirit prevails and should prevail. Kyle came from a war and found solace and purpose with Sarah; Sarah then lose herself trying to survive and regained her kindness and love via John; and, despite the inevitability of Skynet, John knew he now had a wife with him to lead together so he wouldn't be alone any more.

They just don't know how to make movies about the human spirit because they hate humans and think the themes of sci-fi is technology rather than how humans shouldn't fall through their worship of science. There is some irony on how they worry more about the FX than about a human story.

 

[Thiletonomics]

It always baffles me that the Citron Ami, a car that was meant to be the affordable EV for the masses, put a glass roof and a massive infotainment system in. The car was so minimal that it had no interior door handles, just straps. I've been told that noone wants an affordable runabout, but I call bullshit. The huge uptick in 125 scooters shows that there's young people who need a cheap runabout for work.

And yes, the said Chinese car interior shit is indeed spreading to other brands too:

Mazda CX-5


Toyota RAV4


Lexus ES

 

[JimmySneed]

I can't say that it has. Sturgeon observed that 90% of everything is crap in the 1950s, and Wikipedia records similar formulations going back to the 1870s. There are probably papyri or cuneiform tablets with similar sentiments hidden somewhere in the desert. Maybe it's a little more crap now, I don't know. The bar for making television or film was certainly higher in the past, which might have filtered out some of the crap we get today. On the other hand, a lower cost of entry makes it possible for more creative and experimental stuff to happen. I think "giving up on modern media" just means you stop following what is new--because you have realized 90% of it is crap--and start looking for what is good, regardless of when it was made. And that is now much easier than it has ever been.

The Babylonians complained about how nobody respected their elders, the youth were being impious, and nobody knew how to make good copper. Everything has always kind of sucked.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Mid 90's blockbusters. The difference is that back then (1) there weren't as many of them and (2) you'd occasionally get a good one or something that was at least R-rated and not made for retarded babies or Indians.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The issue with Weir is he’s only put out like two books in over a decade, and the books he does put out are “it’s ‘hard-sci-fi because I googled the math formulas,” as opposed to the only modern alternatives of “sci-fi concept as a backdrop for awful character drama” or “fantasy with lasers.” The fucking dire state sci-fi is in post-Star Wars is depressing.

Maybe I'm dumb, but I never understood the hatred for post Star Wars sci-fi.

I usually see it with the term "real sci-fi". I fail to see how Star Trek and Firefly are "real sci-fi" but Star Wars is just "world war 2 with lasers". I understand why people describe Star Wars that way, but you could say Firefly are just a western in space. Games make even less sense. How 40k isn't "real sci-fi" but some other generic wargame with lasers and power armour is? What's the metric here?

Sometimes I get a vague answer like "sci-fi isn't just laser guys and space ships, it's about ideas", but what counts as an "idea" isn't spelled out. As far as I can tell, "real sci-fi" or "ideas" basically amounts to "do I like it" and "is it old". This is most obvious when some Blade Runner fanboy tries to shit on Ghost in the Shell. But you also see it with pulp sci-fi where you can have silliness like Flash Gordan, Godzilla, or any 50s b-movie.

Not in a general sense per se, but i gave up on watching absolutely fucking anything from a streaming service because i got tired of this shit where showrunners use the whole first season of a show as setup, ending with an insulting cliffhanger insinuating that the shit you actually tuned in for will come out next year or later in later seasons.

I think this is part of the reasons so many are jumping on the k-drama train. A while ago I saw a show "Trauma Code: Heroes on Call", and it was a fun, self contained medical mini series. I saw a revenge martial arts series "Mercy For None" and while not great, it was at least self contained.

 

[Catboy Ranch]

The Monica Lewinsky scandal laid it bare. It was so funny watching every loud feminist figure get on their knees on the lesbian scissoring carpet for Bill Clinton.

At the time about half the media outlets and newspapers were running cover for the Clintons so it wasn't nearly enough to brainwash people.

The backdrop to this was the grand jury testimony tape in the Paula Jones case aired where he lawyered his way through what the meaning of the word "is" is. By then, every media defender looked so stupid that they gave up.

 

[McMitch]

Maybe I'm dumb, but I never understood the hatred for post Star Wars sci-fi.

Part of it is because trying to ape the success of Star Wars (of which not even George Lucas fully understood why) necessitated reverting back to that very pulp fiction, where sci-fi concepts are just a backdrop, that the genre had matured out of always really been. Afterward, you had the overcorrection of “hard” sci-fi, which ended up with the exact same issue of having a sci-fi-like setting as a backdrop for an otherwise-unrelated sin plot.

What's the metric here?

“Real” sci-fi has a scientific concept/endeavor, whether in-story or real, as the driving force in the plot, with the degree to which this occurs being the degree to which a piece of media qualifies as science fiction.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Pop music was never truly good but the quality of pop music definitely went down the shitter around the late 90's.

Pop television was basically over the moment the first "reality show" became a hit.

Pop video games got fucked by 9/11 and the decade and a half of jingoism and "real is brown" shit we got starting in like 2003.

Expanding this to "all media" is pointless because there are always diamonds in the pile of shit regardless.

 

[Pedophobe]

Mid 90's blockbusters. The difference is that back then (1) there weren't as many of them and (2) you'd occasionally get a good one or something that was at least R-rated and not made for retarded babies or Indians.

Paul Verhoeven made four of the greatest movies of all time.

 

[Disdainer of the Plebs]

Gaming is very different, and I think we’ve only recently (late 2010s) started to see necrosis. Time will tell if gaming’s diagnosis is as terminal as that of music and cinema.

While movies and TV have been on a downslide my entire life, (with a few notable exceptions, the Lord of the Rings trilogy and Breaking Bad were the high water marks, respectively), the day I noticed video games weren’t about the customer was about a week after Mass Effect 3 came out in spring 2012. If you played the release version of that game’s ending, not only did you see how god awful it was, but they had the gall to hock DLC. All the major publications glazed it though, and it’s the first time I remember gaming media openly side with the developer against the paying customer, pre-dating gamer gate by something like 2 years.

I consider the day ME3 came out to be the high water mark of video gaming. There have been hits since, but the industry as a whole has been in uninterrupted decline quality-wise ever since.

 

[Maurice Maine]

Around the time the Beatles ruined music and they started putting Sydney Poitier in every damn movie

What do you mean In The Heat of The Night is good

 

[strumpets exeunt]

Paul Verhoeven made four of the greatest movies of all time.

Showgirls had that many sequels?

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

1991 when CNN decided the First Gulf War was must-see TV. Thus began 24 hour propaganda.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

1991 when CNN decided the First Gulf War was must-see TV. Thus began 24 hour propaganda.

https://preservetube.com/watch?v=5_0OVHcIMh0

they'll be glued to their sets
watching rockets and jets!

 

[Absolutego]

I'd been trending towards this general attitude for a while, but I vividly remember sitting in the car with my best friend after seeing The Last Jedi.
Neither of us had said much. We effectively sleepwalked to my car. And then, staring out over the parking lot, he just let's loose with:
"Can a movie just please be a movie? Like, I get it, I get what outside point you're trying to make, but I just wanted to see a movie."
Summed up pretty much every initial reaction I'd had to most of the recent shows/movies I'd watched. We went to see the last two Avengers movies in theaters after that, but that was it. Going to the movies together instead of doing literally anything else to hang out pretty much ended afterwards.

 

[ShittlerNiggler]

I realised that most people consume slop by the age of 13. The disdain for normgroids never stopped.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

The elevation of media from entertainment to thought provoking art combined with it no longer confined to academics desperate for grant money but any faggot on the internet.

Roughly when people started saying anyone enjoying zombie movies was racist because they just want to "other" people and have a reason to kill and this was somehow crypto racist/facist. It's just been down hill from there "you don't have your degree in media literacy?!?@?!"

 

[Rolex]

Degradation of franchises/series/films has been a thing for a very long time, and I noticed some of it when I was a kid. As gay as it sounds, SpongeBob probably introduced me the concept when I noticed the older episodes were funnier than the newer ones some time around 2004. I read about Happy Days and the idea of "jumping the shark" when I was like 11.

But like most here (I'd guess), I think it became painfully apparent around 2014. Suddenly all of the shit you'd laugh at while perusing BPD tumblr was appearing in video games and bigger budget production. There had been plenty of leftist slant in media prior, but it was always tongue-in-cheek or just culturally rebellious in nature. By 2014 it had become malicious and malignant. The sheer amount of hate the writers had for whites, straightness, just basic normalcy was evident just about everywhere.

Then, suddenly, nearly every single TV show or film or game that came out was complete shit from a writing perspective, even when factoring out politics. Late millennials had entered the writing rooms of every major piece of media, and it was clear after 2016 we were gonna be fucked for a good long while.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I think media from Japan is leaning towards sucking when they starting doing simultaneous global releases, and started catering and listening to those SJW "global audiences" more. For example, pocketmons vidyas used to be released over there first, then "localized" in Burgerland later (with more censorship in the '90s and less in the '00s). Now, pocketmons vidya released worldwide simultaneously, with the same SJW-friendly influence everywhere. And now there's more censoring because of "payment processor" companies.

 

[analrapist]

It was around '96. I was reading a Canadian newspaper. It called the Liberal Party "the natural ruling party of Canada". Haven't really trusted media since since, but GamerGate put the final nails in that coffin, had I left any unhammered.