When Cousins Marry (Genetic Disorder Documentary)

[Stoneheart]

They weren't just physically crippled, they suffered from multiple mental defects too. I'm too lazy to pull up specifics but Charles V had epilepsy, for one, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the line suffered from "fits of madness." They also had child mortality rates up to 50%, extremely long development times (Charles II was raised as an infant until he was 10, "he didn't learn to talk until he was four and couldn't walk until the age of eight."), and they ended up dying out because they physically could not breed anymore.

That was a spanish problem, not realy a Habsburg problem.
the german main line never had so massive problems and the other german lines are also functional.

I would suspect that the spanish habsburg gene pool was bad to begin with,

So sure, they kept their kingdom together for a couple hundred years, until they were so weak that nature removed them from the gene pool. Not a great long-term strategy imo.

the Mainline went to war to keep spain inside the family but failed. Incest was the only way of the habsburgs to keep spain in the family, they couldnt marry locals and the position was to weak to get somebody german or british to marry them.

The Mainline is still going, they look and act pretty normal

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

It says a lot about the documentary. Sad fact of it is, the Pakistani communities in the UK are essentially inbred and even more so than their Pakistani relations, (Bengali are ethnic Pakistani borders aside, and so are lumped in with this.) because the branches have been split to a smaller potential gene pool in the UK to begin with, which offers less opportunities to avoid consanguinity.

At the same time, it's actually beneficial for the parents in some cases. While it's disgusting to think of it, the welfare system in the UK has greater obligation of care towards the disabled than it does to normal persons, and by having several potatoes in the household, the welfare assistance from this is an actual financial incentive.

Lets face in, in Pakistan most of these children would not make it past their first five years of life in the best of circumstances. They also will not change the system, because it is a traditional entrenched system like arranged marriages that dates back to the Mughal's and beyond. The only time there has ever been any state intervention in this form of marriage practice, was the colonial powers in Britain trying to anglicize the Indian subcontinent.

Even now the government won't step in an try to prevent this from happening, they can't stop FGM, they can't stop arranged/forced marriage, let alone child bride marriages, honor killings, or shariah courts superseding regular law.

The only way this changes is if the Pakistani community in the UK actually advocate and change from the inside, and in most cases the only advocates for modernization are usually race progressives or cultural activist/marxist who in turn present their own set of problems.

Another point from the documentary. The Pakistani family with those sad potato children. The mother can't speak English after having been in the country for at least 18 years and likely longer if she was born and lived there before marrying her husband. But doesn't speak English. (This is unacceptable, in any situation anywhere in the world, it's unacceptable.) But then the fact that they're as ignorant as they are, when it comes to the fact that science is a bitch, and they fucked up, but they can't come to terms with that. So it's a test from God.... I really blame the British for these people and their situation.

There is a case of being too liberal, too accepting, too permissive, and the costs not just the medicals costs which are taken out of taxes, but also the moral cost of silencing people from speaking out against this sort of thing by labeling them with the convenient slurs of racist or bigots, and instead allowing this to go on, these children to be conceived, and essentially live with disability which causes them to be a net loss to the society of which they live in for their short miserable lives, when they shouldn't have had in the first place had some backbone been put into laying down the actual law, which prevents first cousin marriages!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This a huge problem in the Middle East exacerbated by the "Mohammed the Prophet married his cousin and we should all be like the Prophet" and then there's the whole fatalistic قدر‎ (kadar) belief that your destiny has been preordained mentality. The more educated (in the West) you are the less likely you'll indulge in cousin marriage. I think that's why they have large families, they know a few of them will be useless tards.

I know Muslims born and raised in the US who refused to marry cousins and the mother is doing the whole Arab mother-in law you-are-my-slave thing to the new wives and it has become an absolute shitstorm. She blames the new wives not going along on her boys not marrying cousins (!) so now the others are being pressured to marry cousins. It's not going to end well.

 

[FaceOfTrueHorror]

At college I was talking to some people about the subject, a staff member took offence and stated their parents were cousins, you could tell by looking at her

 

[BlueSpark]

3th

YourMommasBackstory, I have bad news about your own retardation

 

[Clop]

This is one of the reasons why I tend to be somewhat optimistic about the refugees; They're a self-solving problem. It's easy to fight off a crippled, blind guy that can't tie his shoelaces.

 

[Shoggoth]

Barring controversy around IQ (though it was specifically made to measure mental re.tardation so I would say it's probably fine in this case), I wonder if the consanguinous group had a bimodal IQ distribution, with some kids turning out normal and average and some being severely handicapped, or whether it was just a simple right-ward shift of the out-bred group's distribution.

TBH any controversy around IQ at this point should be regarded as scientific illiteracy. It's one of the oldest and most reliably measured psychometric quantities.
What it means is another matter - in moden models, IQ correlates very strongly to g, your General Intelligence, which is the actual "brain power" IQ is used to measure.
Regarding the bimodal distribution - you might see it in early generations but the defect rate is so high that the piss spreads through the gene pool quickly enough to drown out "desired" mutations, without very aggressive selective breeding.

 

[wylfım]

TBH any controversy around IQ at this point should be regarded as scientific illiteracy. It's one of the oldest and most reliably measured psychometric quantities.
What it means is another matter - in moden models, IQ correlates very strongly to g, your General Intelligence, which is the actual "brain power" IQ is used to measure.
Regarding the bimodal distribution - you might see it in early generations but the defect rate is so high that the piss spreads through the gene pool quickly enough to drown out "desired" mutations, without very aggressive selective breeding.

Don't know if this would be considered off topic, we could take it to a PM if it gets to be a bit much, but I actually do think there are some compelling arguments against IQ.
For one, it doesn't scale well with non-European populations. Australian aboriginals have average IQ's in the rage of 50~60, and while they're not doing great as a population, a European with an IQ that low would be a drooling vegetable. Same thing applies to a lot of Africa.
To be fair I don't have the requisite mathematical background to verify this, but I've also heard arguments that IQ-performance graphs look an awful lot like a line that flattens out at a certain point, with a ton of noise added, among other issues with the statistics behind it.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I am disappointed they did not include West Virginia and Mississippi as separate data points.

If you are curious, Appalachian people are indeed more inbred than the general American public, but not by a particularly significant amount.

This coming from actual scientific research.

 

[Shoggoth]

Don't know if this would be considered off topic, we could take it to a PM if it gets to be a bit much, but I actually do think there are some compelling arguments against IQ.
For one, it doesn't scale well with non-European populations. Australian aboriginals have average IQ's in the rage of 50~60, and while they're not doing great as a population, a European with an IQ that low would be a drooling vegetable. Same thing applies to a lot of Africa.
To be fair I don't have the requisite mathematical background to verify this, but I've also heard arguments that IQ-performance graphs look an awful lot like a line that flattens out at a certain point, with a ton of noise added, among other issues with the statistics behind it.

pm'ed you autistic wall of text

 

[karz]

I remember reading some time ago that 85% of all relationships in Pakistan were considered to be incestuous.
I can't find that specific statistic anymore. However, I did find a wiki article that claims there to be a 70% incest rate in Pakistan and a 55% rate in the United Kingdom among the Pakistanis that live there. It's really easy to see why Pakis are so over represented in the disabled children category in the UK. Unfortunate, but I'm rather amazed that over nearly 1500 years of Islam existing, the middle east hasn't wiped itself out genetically.

 

[Übertroon]

I remember reading some time ago that 85% of all relationships in Pakistan were considered to be incestuous.
I can't find that specific statistic anymore. However, I did find a wiki article that claims there to be a 70% incest rate in Pakistan and a 55% rate in the United Kingdom among the Pakistanis that live there. It's really easy to see why Pakis are so over represented in the disabled children category in the UK. Unfortunate, but I'm rather amazed that over nearly 1500 years of Islam existing, the middle east hasn't wiped itself out genetically.

Usually what will happen is that the "decadent" old regimes will be overthrown by upstarts. There's a good reason for why you had muslim nations ruled by Mamluks, which were originally non muslim slaves

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Well at least this might create more horrorcows.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I remember reading some time ago that 85% of all relationships in Pakistan were considered to be incestuous.
I can't find that specific statistic anymore. However, I did find a wiki article that claims there to be a 70% incest rate in Pakistan and a 55% rate in the United Kingdom among the Pakistanis that live there. It's really easy to see why Pakis are so over represented in the disabled children category in the UK. Unfortunate, but I'm rather amazed that over nearly 1500 years of Islam existing, the middle east hasn't wiped itself out genetically.

Islam has mainly prospered in the very center of the "world-island" (a fancy word for the civilization sprouting parts of Eurasia) which (I'd hypothesize) means constant pressure being induced by mass migration, trade and flat out invasion has criss-crossed the entire area on b ok th large and small scales

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Huh, my relatives are incest couple who always bragged that their kids are gonna be super smart because of this.

Nigger why the fuck would you offer up this information here...

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Looks to me like Jebediah Springfield had every right to be creeped out by Shelbyville wanting to marry his cousins.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

This is one of the reasons why I tend to be somewhat optimistic about the refugees; They're a self-solving problem. It's easy to fight off a crippled, blind guy that can't tie his shoelaces.

This is actually a worse part of the problem than you'd think.
I remember reading that the overwhelming majority of suicide bombers usually suffer from some form of physical or mental disability, and this is part of the reasoning the Imams and families use in their selection process. The person doing the bombing gets reformed whole and the whole insta-paradise spiel. The parents of Duu dii Al-Fayed, get rid of a resource burden. (It's basically eugenic practice with a twist.)

All those blind martyrs for Islam could be monging out in your back alleys as we speak.