What they've taken from us

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I think the woke stuff gets the blame for a lot of the garbage these days (and yes it is a factor), but I think a lot of it has to do with everything being so polished these days. While a good balance of art and business make a good film, I think nowadays it's only the business side that people are concerned with. All the directors that gave a shit either gave up or don't make films anymore.

When I watch some slop put out by Disney, it's like a PR firm went in and okayed every single scene. "You see how Thor looks away from the camera, 85% of women and 65% of men really like those type of scenes"
 
I think the woke stuff gets the blame for a lot of the garbage these days (and yes it is a factor), but I think a lot of it has to do with everything being so polished these days. While a good balance of art and business make a good film, I think nowadays it's only the business side that people are concerned with. All the directors that gave a shit either gave up or don't make films anymore.

When I watch some slop put out by Disney, it's like a PR firm went in and okayed every single scene. "You see how Thor looks away from the camera, 85% of women and 65% of men really like those type of scenes"
I think part of the issue, or maybe the whole issue, is that it seems like no studio wants to take risks. Most movies today don't have much soul because of that.
 
I think part of the issue, or maybe the whole issue, is that it seems like no studio wants to take risks. Most movies today don't have much soul because of that.
the last time they "took risks", they did so in the worst way possible and that's how we wound up with the Snyderverse Flash and WW2 and all the post-thanos MCU garbage.

My bad, they didn't see it as risks. They actually deluded themselves into thinking that's what fans would buy.
 
the last time they "took risks", they did so in the worst way possible and that's how we wound up with the Snyderverse Flash and WW2 and all the post-thanos MCU garbage.

My bad, they didn't see it as risks. They actually deluded themselves into thinking that's what fans would buy.
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There’s irony to the amount of risk that successful movies take. Action movies tend to do well because they’re mindless and fun, but if the industry overproduces and makes every movie like that, on top of adding in ‘woke mess’ the industry as a whole suffers. Screenwriters living in California don’t have their fingers on the pulse of our culture as much as they think they do.
 
Screenwriters living in California don’t have their fingers on the pulse
They sure as hell have their fingers on the life-support systems of franchises.

I echo the sentiment of the movie industry feeling sanitized in the past few years to the last decade. I think some studios are afraid to take risks because then they'd be labelled 'problematic' by the terminally online delusional activist who is in a war against common sense.
 
At least John Carter and Conan the Barbarian were big enough flops we will never see remakes of Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, Doc Savage or Buckaroo Banzai.
 
There are a lot of reasons why Hollywood sucks so bad:
1. Generational decay - Probably the biggest one. The directors in the golden days of the 80's and 90's didn't train any successors after them, this created a massive talent vacuum filled by increasingly retarded boomer directors and shitstain like JJ Abrahams and Ruin Johnson.
2. CGI used for everything - There is no planning for movies nowadays, it's all disjointed scenes being connected like jigsaws until getting maximum test group scores.
3. Too big to fail - Like every post 2008 corporation, they discovered that the USA government will bail them out due to fearing consequential market collapse. This means they have no issue spending as much as they can, angling for huge risks huge rewards so they can get massive dividends if it succeeds.

Woke is just a symptom of the issue.
 
My bad, they didn't see it as risks. They actually deluded themselves into thinking that's what fans would buy
Reminds me of what frank zappa said about the cigar chomping clueless music executive being better for the market then the "hip" guy who thinks who knows what people want.
In my opinion movies will only regain some of their glory when budgets go way, way down and unproven outsiders are given a chance to make unproven movies.
 
I have no idea how bad or dumb today's superhero movies are but I actually remember Nolans Batman trilogy as quite bad.

I vaguely remember really terrible action choreography and contrived plots
 
I have no idea how bad or dumb today's superhero movies are but I actually remember Nolans Batman trilogy as quite bad.

I vaguely remember really terrible action choreography and contrived plots
they did at least have great music though, and they gave us bane memes
 
John Carter of No Particular Planet was pretty solid for a Barsoom with clothes
if that porn star one hadn't have totally dropped the ball on nudity and overcomplicated his origin there might have been a better argument against it
 
I think the biggest issue by far is the use of digital effects as a patch all for a film’s visual needs. Even if it looks fantastic you still run into the issue of the actor not getting to know the scale of the object they’re working with in the moment. You can make some slight adjustments to fix that, but it reaches the point where a puppet is just more effective because you can physically use it.

Practical effects do come with limitations and that’s what allows real art and ingenuity to come out. Army of Darkness is like the perfect example. A near flawless product completely built on barely a budget with every member of the cast and crew coming up with a workaround as it was needed. If they had CGI for the whole thing none of that effort would be reflected in the work.
 
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