What Happens When the Madness Ends? - Today’s corporate revolutionary enthusiasts had better prepare for the inevitable turn.

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Victor Davis Hansen has one of the best takes on our current civil crisis. His writings are all that give me hope right now. He's talking about what could be the future if shit keeps getting stupid.

He's a Stanford professor who believes in straight talk. Not sure how he's not been cancelled yet, if more people listened to him I think he'd be out the door.


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What Happens When the Madness Ends?

When something cannot go on, it certainly will not go on. But what are the symptoms of what cannot go on and when?

There are two historic red lines and our revolution is getting close to both.

When Normal People Grow Weary

One is when “average” people, both white and nonwhite, who identify neither with Left nor Right, woke nor unwoke, become frightened or appalled by the violence and the anarchy—and thus finally move to dismantle the guillotine as the razor increasingly starts haircutting friends, idols, and compatriots.

Their verdict can be known either by demonstrating themselves, boycotting, voting, or massive civil disobedience. At some point, tonight’s hero on YouTube torching Wendy’s or kicking a downed policeman on CNN, becomes tomorrow’s commonplace, unnoticed felon—with a new warrant issued out on his head, and about whose fate and lengthy CV no one other than his parents much cares.

Governors and mayors can demand masks and all sorts of social distancing measures. But once they declared that only those not demonstrating—the non-looting and nonviolent—were subject to their rules, while millions both peacefully protesting and violently looting were exempt, then their words meant nothing. It will be impossible for them ever to be seen as credible again. Virus or no virus, crowded freeways, and busy malls will soon be referenda on the bond of governors like Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer.

In a few weeks, we are promised that multimillionaire NFL players and coaches in unison will not deign to stand up for the National Anthem. Promises, promises.

TV play-by-play announcers will praise them—or else likely lose their jobs. But millions of Americans simply will decouple from the NFL. Their silent disappearance will make the prior Kaepernick drop-off in attendance and viewership seem like child’s play. The same will be true perhaps of the more canny NBA, if they foolishly emulate the NFL. Millions will surmise that billionaire basketball players can far better make their billions in China and should—an NBA deity whose dictatorship players and coaches fear and worship while criticizing their own democracy.

Recently, there was murder in the CHAZ/CHOP-shop summer of love, and more random violence. Soon average Seattle citizens will want their city’s core back if only to reclaim their full 911 response. When the police begin not showing up for assaults, thefts, and break-ins, and criminals do what criminals do without consequences, the proverbial victims and vulnerable will have had enough and either move away or organize.

Today’s opportunist virtue-signaler will be tomorrow’s gullible fool. Tonight’s brave looter and edgy arsonist will be tomorrow’s matter-of-fact felon.

Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio vie for televised braggadocio. But when the cameras leave, and they will soon, both will be left with billions of dollars in damage, lost commerce, bankrupt budgets, and urban flight. And their whiny appeals to American deplorables for financial assistance, their attempts at shaming clingers for a bailout, will likely be the stuff of comedy. What will California’s multimillionaire Governor Gavin Newsom do when his silly press conferences end, but his 13.3 percent income tax rate and 47-cent gas tax still don’t come close to closing his $50 billion annual deficit? Give more adolescent lectures about how the virus and lockdown are “reimagining a progressive era as it pertains to capitalism”?

When Important People Find Themselves Out of Luck

Second, when important people start to suffer the concrete consequences of their own abstract ideology, then the revolution sputters—in the manner that #MeToo Tara Reid got nowhere in accusing Joe Biden of a brutal sexual assault. Suddenly, handsy and heavily breathing Joe who once swore “women must be believed” appealed to statutes of limitations, presumptions of innocence, and the right to cross-examination as if he were Robespierre suddenly deploring the promiscuous use of the guillotine.

When hysteria fades, so too the current Antifa/BLM movement will go dormant to go enjoy the millions that they garnered from terrified virtue-signaling corporatists. When pistol-packing, AR-15 toting Raz Simone declares himself exempt from his own past homophobia and repulsive N-word vocabulary, and struts armed to the teeth at the head of his posse while blocking the police from aiding those shot and dying, then there is no society left. And those who want society back at some point will act, whether silently or visibly. Either Raz will be arrested—or bought off by a social justice Seattle billionaire and retired to a gifted lakeside home. Either way, he will go soon.

For all the conservatives who virtue signaled that Confederate statues had to come down now, the logical trajectory of their acquiesce was the toppling of Ulysses S. Grant, Columbus, and Father Junipero Serra, and the defacements of Lincoln, Jefferson, and Washington. And it won’t do to deplore the mob’s insanity when it turns on abolitionists, Cervantes, and black Civil War veterans. After all, from the time of the dismemberment of Cinna the Roman poet, that’s precisely what mobs do when appeased: turn on the innocent without apology.

Declaring that Confederate statutes must fall, but only through pro forma deliberation is fine and good. But prejudging that such democratic deliberations will reach the proper end results, sends the signal to the mob of “Well, why wait for a slowcoach vote that will only confirm our violence?” If a sober and judicious observer declares that all Confederate generals are the same and all their stone and bronze images are illegitimately on public display, and all their removals must result from and be confirmed by majority votes, then why have majority votes unless one believes in the legitimacy of the old Soviet Duma or Saddam’s Iraqi parliament?

Both liberals and conservatives have red lines, for without them there is no civilization in which liberals and conservatives can disagree without tribal and ritual violence. When would-be looters and defacers turned toward liberal Beverly Hills, they were met by politically incorrect tear gas. And behold, not a single former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or retired military grandee was to be found to tweet out that America ended on that very day when those in the uniform tear-gassed civilians.

Nocturnally decapitating Robert E. Lee’s head in an obscure city park is one thing, marching in daylight on Stone Mountain with dynamite to erase the locus classicus of Confederate commemoration is quite another. Were that to happen, even Fort Bragg, California is not safe and the Wilson School at Princeton would be next in line for the guillotine.

Academics are now bombarded in their campus emails with lists of BLM demands and administrative acquiescence to them. But when the smoke clears and the flames subside, Hadley, Connor, and Palmer will have to give up their legacy spots at Stanford and Yale to meet demands for mandated increases in the size of the African-American student body. Will the edgy radical professor in his elbow patched tweed still virtue-signal from the lounge, when his kid’s 800 English SAT and straight-A prep school grades no longer are considered required admission data, and his salary in no way will match the donor heft of rival Silicon Valley tech parents?

When the frenzy subsides, what will universities themselves say after charging jacked up tuition and room and board costs for indebted students to take their classes on zoom from their parents’ basements? Will they cite “overhead” or praise the new “digital learning,” or institute “givebacks” of student payments, or claim new diversity coordinators and administrators to combat white privilege necessitate budgetary constraints?

What about the Chick-fil-A CEO—worried about corporate losses from vandalized stores and past bad PR from gay boycotts—who urged that whites wash the feet of black people? What will he do when it is again against the law to loot and deface, and when few of any racial lineage would enjoy such groveling hands on their feet?

The Thermador Reaction Is Coming

If a revolution is based on the untruth that blacks are daily violently terrorized by whites, what happens when data reveal facts contrary to that narrative? What happens when people come to understand that in those relatively rare interracial crimes, blacks are far more likely than whites to commit interracial violence? Or when people discover that more than 7,000 blacks are murdered per year by other blacks? When the hysteria fades, such data reasserts the truth that there is not currently a white racial war against blacks.

Now is the hour of the virtue tweeting has-been celebrity, who wishes to avoid the fate of Jimmies Fallon and Kimmel. Did the latter two, now on forced sabbaticals, think they are any more important to American entertainment than the beheaded Danton and Hébert were to the revolution of Robespierre and Saint-Just? In a cultural revolution, radicalism is a fluid and relative state, and no exemption from the violence that one advocates for others.

Just as reformers wanted King Louis XVI to give up some power but not to lose his head, so too peaceful protestors sought to institutionalize accountability for rogue cops. But also, just as a constitutional parliament was forgotten by the time of the Reign of Terror, so too the legitimate protests over George Floyd’s horrific death are now light-years distant from torching Santa Monica and defacing the World War II monument.

Instead, this is the unhinged age of the sexagenarian general mysteriously awakening from his politically incorrect slumber to publicly announce that he threw his suddenly despised framed picture of Robert E. Lee against his wall—as a good business hedge, or to rediscover mysteriously in his seventh decade that his lifelong association with Fort Bragg could be a liability in the suddenly petrified world of corporate clientage.

The Reign of Terror will end and the Thermidor reaction is on the horizon. Today’s opportunist virtue-signaler will be tomorrow’s gullible fool. Tonight’s brave looter and edgy arsonist will be tomorrow’s matter-of-fact felon. This morning’s memo-writing social justice executive and administrator will be seen as tomorrow’s rank abettor of McCarthyite persecutions. And the coveted and esteemed racial arsonist of the moment soon will become the ostracized segregationist.

Americans believe there is one thing more regrettable than a falsifier—and that is an opportunistic and careerist falsifier.
 
I have to play devils advocate here: Isn't the American right wing also a disunited big tent group like the whites?

Consider how you have classical liberals, far right groups, neoconservatives, libertarians, neoconfederates, and traditionalists all claiming themselves to be right wing in the US; I've seen them absolutely rip into each other dismissing other factions as small, irrelevant, or targets who they will just treat like their enemies. I really don't think the right wing is unified in the US at all and when I point this out the sentiment I usually hear is that they can just push out/marginalize/purge the groups they disagree with. Hell, I don't think the definition of right is even defined, and instead is a title all these factions compete for.

I initially rated you "Disagree" when it was just the "Fuck Off, Hippie!" but now you bring up a very good point to consider.

I do think the Right is a more disjointed "big tent" group in its own right, but it's also more or less outnumbered by the Woke Left and everyone's more or less banding together against them and the neoliberals backing them.

I don't think the Right is really unified in America, but I do think they're slightly more cohesive than the Woke Left simply out of necessity at this point.

Also, I make the more direct comparison between the SJW's and the White Army not only for the "big tent" approach but also because of institutional backing. The Allied Powers and several corporations backed the Whites against the Bolsheviks up until the bitter end in many cases. By all accounts, the Whites should have won the Russian Civil War but they were self-destructing because of their disorganized big tent approach.

The identity conflicts were so intense that they overcame the support of larger institutions in the war, and I think the same thing could happen to the SJW's.

The Right is also stymied by the "big tent" approach but it really seems less intense because they all know the Woke Left is gunning for blood and they don't have the corporate and institutional support the left does.

They may all hate each other and disagree on several key issues. But the begrudging cohesion on the Right is slightly stronger than that on the Woke Left. Slightly.
 
They think they have enough of a stranglehold on the courts for them to look the other way for woke points.

It might work out for them, but it's unlikely.

Might work in the 9th, WON'T work in the USSC, the Supremes would have to literally look at the case that said "separate but equal is just discrimination in a different hat' and say "Well, we obviously got THAT wrong"

I don't think the Right is really unified in America, but I do think they're slightly more cohesive than the Woke Left simply out of necessity at this point.

They may all hate each other and disagree on several key issues. But the begrudging cohesion on the Right is slightly stronger than that on the Woke Left. Slightly.

It's ironic how the left created, from nothing, the ACTUAL scary turbo-Nazi ALTRIGHT evil empire that didn't even actually exist by constantly accusing others of being part of it, harassing them, threatening them, and even killing a few, until said groups had to form-up just to survive.

The left is united in purpose right now, but inside the movements the attachments are held loosely , for political gain and self-promotion, and they will turn on each other at the first sign of internal disloyalty. They attack hard, but cannot sustain for more than a week to a few months before a fresh outrage is required and another "secret" racist is found to harass.

Meanwhile, the right is not yet united, but is slowly growing to the point that when they've had enough, they're going to put an advancing shield wall on the field that won't be stopped as it slowly but inexorably advances on you, and no matter how many spears and rocks you chuck, that thing's will is NOT gonna break until you run screaming for the hills, SJWs. Because they are united in self-preservation, not self-aggrandization and big dreams about building communist utopias, they just want to be left alone and don't need struggle sessions or charismatic leaders to convince themselves that their cause is just. Theirs is the oldest of motivations, as old as humanity itself: I will defend myself if I have to. I have no obligation to be prey/a victim.

The left is adhesive, not cohesive, it only survives by draping itself over things that already exist and claiming them, the right is cohesive because the base desire of all those groups is to continue to build their own lives free of constant attack by crazies instead of destroying that which is 'problematic'.

The enemy of my enemy and all that.

IT's not likely to last, but it'll last long enough

Like how the USSR and USA didn't like each other, but readily agreed they both HATED Nazis and were able to work together enough to murder them all before going back to just hating each other.

All these "right" groups are united in hatred of the left for barging into their lives, at this point, anyone not WITH the woketards has been targeted personally, had a friend targeted, had a movie, cartoon or song they liked targeted, had their social media targeted, or knows someone who has through no more than 3 degrees of separation. EVERY SINGLE ONE of these people has had their life disrupted out of the blue by an unlicensed and unwarranted social referee descending on them, crying "FOUL" and trying to impose a penalty.... and that's what's driving the backlash, they're slowly running out of people who assumed themselves safe from the outrage mob when in 4 years it went from "Just don't go to NeoGaf, they'll ban you" to "Just don't go outside, they'll try and drag you out of your car and the DA will charge you if you resist.... "
 
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I support black-only private spaces. I also support white-only, men's only, Christian-only, and so forth. Forcing people to integrate has been a disaster.
Sort of? I think there's a line here. I don't think we need total social balkanization, particularly not based on skin color. However, having men in dresses competing in women's sports is a prime example of "inclusive" idiocy that needs to stop.
 
They think they have enough of a stranglehold on the courts for them to look the other way for woke points.

It might work out for them, but it's unlikely.

There's a reason why McConnell and Trump have been going above and beyond to stack the federal judiciary as quickly as possible and capitalizing on all those vacancies left by Obama for Hillary Clinton to fill, to the point that even the Ninth Circuit isn't quite as reliably left-leaning as it was before (it's still pretty left-wing though)

The Left has more or less been ruling from the bench via activist judges for decades now, and stacking the federal judiciary against them is a good long-term strategy to counter them.

It's also why the Dems are so terrified of Ruth Bader-Ginsburg dying
 
Alex Jones dream of 1776 vs 1984 came true. Tell me there are still any people left in the country to mount a counter offensive on soft and hard power fronts.

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The Constitution is moments away from being canceled.

In a highly-charged 2020 political environment, America needs to return to firm footing, grounded in a predictable, dependable system of government. We need to put the rule of law over the rule of men, whether it’s a mob that takes over six square blocks of an American city, or the hijacking of the Supreme Court by robed justices.

The rule of law in America matters because without it, we don’t have genuine freedom. Without our Constitution, we are at the mercy of tyrants and anarchists and the whim of the latest cultural movement.

Our Founders gave America the greatest beginning through our Constitution, which does not allow any single person or group total power. Instead of beginning with power, our Founders began with recognizing individual rights, and then determined the best system of government to protect those rights for all.

This is genuine equality—the recognition that every human being is made in the image of God and endowed by God with inalienable rights, and that government is necessary to preserve and protect those rights for every person. Because our system is all about individual freedom, not government power, we separate powers and divide them among ourselves so that there are checks and balances and (hopefully) a guarantee that government won’t become about concentrated power.

But today, we have lost that understanding. We’ve lost the principles of America’s founding and with it, our freedoms. We’ve lost the understanding that we need to separate powers rather than concentrate or manipulate them. We’ve lost the idea that to have a well-ordered society, we must have laws and a mechanism to enforce those laws that isn’t arbitrary, but predictable and uniform.

The Constitution was designed to provide these guarantees and protections for every person, and with it, the opportunity to create a more perfect union.

But the extreme leftists don’t care about any of that, and they are actively revolutionizing and transforming America. Their view of America is all about power for themselves instead of freedom for everyone.

When mayors and governors refuse to enforce law in their cities or provide the necessary structure, freedom is lost. When a majority of robed justices manipulate the law according to their own political preferences, protections for our rights are lost. Every Democrat elected official is failing us, and every liberal activist embedded in government is failing us.

The 2020 election will be a turning point in America’s history. We will either reclaim our founding principles and strive to continue this great American experiment in liberty, or we will cede to the cultural pressures of the progressive left and lose our country as we know it.

There is a huge tide that has sent wave after wave of attacks against our Constitution to erode it away until it is fully lost. This is why the left hates and attacks President Trump. He is the difference between keeping and restoring our freedoms and losing this country to power-hungry liberal elites.

If we truly value our founding principles and our rule of law, we have to keep it and we have to fight to keep it. We have to fight alongside President Trump and boldly stand with him against the crushing waves that seek to censor us, silence us, cancel us, and destroy our Constitution and with it, our great Nation.

We have to speak up for truth and for our rights. The only guarantee of our country is freedom. But that guarantee comes with our participation in government because we self-govern and we have an objective moral standard of truth and enforcement of law in society. We must hold accountable those who would manipulate and abuse our system.

As much as we may be frustrated and feel like giving up after this week of discouraging headlines and a ridiculous Supreme Court, we have to resolve that we aren’t going down without a fight. That battle will be at the ballot box in November.

Every person who cares about freedom, equality, liberty, rights, standards, goodness, and truth in this country must show up and vote for President Trump and every conservative on the ticket all the way down ballot.

We can win. We can restore. We can continue to Make America Great Again for all. We can continue to enjoy freedom of speech, freedom of association, free exercise of religion and our sincerely held beliefs, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to due process, the right to participate in a free marketplace of ideas, the right to participate in our economy through capitalism, the right to be free from government infringement, and so many other rights and liberties that make up our American way of life.

President Trump is fighting because America and American greatness is worth it. We are the greatest country on Earth because of our founding principles providing freedom and opportunity for all.

And it is moments away from being lost.

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Monday on CNN’s “New Day,” network political commentator Angela Rye reacted to NASCAR claiming a noose was found in driver Bubba Wallace’s garage stall at Talladega Superspeedway. Wallace is NASCAR’s only black driver.

Angela Rye called for an “uproot” to the United States’ “foundation” to effect change in the country, which she said would “make a lot of people uncomfortable.”

“One is how we become anti-racist,” Rye outlined. “And it is going to take a very deliberate effort because we know this country was built on a system oppression and systemic racism, white supremacy. So, in order to tear down all of that, you have to uproot a lot of what is this country’s foundation. That is going to make a lot of people uncomfortable — the ways in which so many of us are uncomfortable every single day. I say all the time I refuse to be uncomfortable any longer so that you can be comfortable.”

“What that probably means is that as a collective, we have to work towards making each other uncomfortable, stretching each other out of our comfort zones so that the right thing can be done,” she continued. “The fact that a symbol of hatred can result in another symbol of hatred put so close to his personal property is damning, and it’s so clear that we have a lot of work to do to undo some of what you talked about as anti-racist.”
 
I'd imagine people were saying the same thing during the Bolshevik uprising. That any day the public would turn and raise against the left-wing lunacy and have a return to normalcy.
The left has been winning for 60 years straight, conservatives have done nothing but lose ground or delayed the inevitable to the next election cycle. Hell, even many big time conservatives are on the left's side with this.
Are you sure what that.
Borris Yeltsim.jpg
 
Victor Davis Hanson is an intelligent man but he's been writing this same article ever since Obama got elected. I've chronicled my problems with him in the past so I won't repeat them now but suffice to say the man has made a lot of money on rotating the same topics for decades.

e: Adding to this, there is a nice thing about his articles where it pulls all the larping doomer faggots out of their holes so they can cry on Kiwifarms about how ITS ALL TOTALLY OVER this time.

The world ends all the time, we're still here. If you don't like it you can abandon your country and run off to one that suits your vision much better.
 
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I think what's going to happen will be a lot more messy and violent than that but it's nice to wishfully believe that people will just come to their senses with a little more time.
 
Fuck off Hippie


I have to play devils advocate here: Isn't the American right wing also a disunited big tent group like the whites?

Consider how you have classical liberals, far right groups, neoconservatives, libertarians, neoconfederates, and traditionalists all claiming themselves to be right wing in the US; I've seen them absolutely rip into each other dismissing other factions as small, irrelevant, or targets who they will just treat like their enemies. I really don't think the right wing is unified in the US at all and when I point this out the sentiment I usually hear is that they can just push out/marginalize/purge the groups they disagree with. Hell, I don't think the definition of right is even defined, and instead is a title all these factions compete for.

Indeed, I have long thought that the Right is far more intellectually rich/diverse because it has much more variety . There are infinitely many ways to design systems of hierarchy. All Leftist ideologies are the same idea (equality) with the only variation being the extent of control or which group is prioritized.
 
You mean the opportunistic faggot who destroyed Russia in between benders? That's a great counterpoint

I think it was meant more as a reference to the Soviet Union collapsing completely, probably the biggest geopolitical defeat the wider Left has suffered in recent history.

Still, I would've gone with a picture of Putin since Yeltsin is viewed by Russians in the same way Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter are viewed in American popular history.
 
I think it was meant more as a reference to the Soviet Union collapsing completely, probably the biggest geopolitical defeat the wider Left has suffered in recent history.

Still, I would've gone with a picture of Putin since Yeltsin is viewed by Russians in the same way Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter are viewed in American popular history.
Yeltsin is viewed more closely to Hoover but 1000x worse by the majority of the population, while the minority liberal intelligentsia look back nostalgically because while they may have been starving and their lives were at risk from (non-government) thugs, they at least had freedom of speech. Neither Yeltsin nor Putin truly work for the analogy, since they're essentially just opportunists who traded in one form of rhetoric for another when it became convenient.
 
Yeltsin is viewed more closely to Hoover but 1000x worse by the majority of the population, while the minority liberal intelligentsia look back nostalgically because while they may have been starving and their lives were at risk from (non-government) thugs, they at least had freedom of speech. Neither Yeltsin nor Putin truly work for the analogy, since they're essentially just opportunists who traded in one form of rhetoric for another when it became convenient.

Pretty much this, Putin is mainly opposed to the Left solely out of personal convenience as opposed to any real political ideology or conviction.

The best pic to go with would've been something like the Berlin Wall being torn down or the execution of Ceausescu.

But still, if the Soviet Union could fall, who knows what could happen?

The left's takeover of academia was largely the result of KGB gay ops that outlasted the KGB itself and didn't start bearing widespread tangible results until well after the Soviet Union collapsed

Hell, the COVID-19 pandemic has severely threatened the once-inevitable ascension of Communist China and if Trump wins a second term, he'll probably escalate the economic warfare and intensify sanctions on the PRC even more, so who knows how that will play out?
 
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Okay I think we all get it now, you're blackpilled, the left controls everything and sex is irreparably broken yada yada. You're practically just posting the same rant with wording changed up over and over again.
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As for the madness, it'll end as soon as man ends.
 
Okay I think we all get it now, you're blackpilled, the left controls everything and sex is irreparably broken yada yada.

At what point do I speak of the left's control of "everything" beyond my initial contribution to the thread that you didn't reference in the first place? Speaking of that initial contribution, what part of

I'm not saying that the push back won't happen, but is it going to be the result of the mass inspiration of people who realize that they'll have to toil to build a good thing so easily destroyed by their predecessors? Will it bring forth principled people, willing to reshackle themselves to wise norms and customs for the sake of stability and stable progress, for their countrymen and their progeny?

is "blackpiled"?
 
lol Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel got canceled? Couldn't have happened to better guys (Fallon has never been funny and Kimmel's a hypocrite).
Fuck me I just did a double take and realised these two Jimmies are separate individuals, I always glaze over when they were in my news feed.

These late night '''''comedians''''' really are all alike
 
Fuck me I just did a double take and realised these two Jimmies are separate individuals, I always glaze over when they were in my news feed.

These late night '''''comedians''''' really are all alike
Yeah, there's something that turns people into milquetoast and predictable robots in the transition to late night television. There hasn't been a funny late night talk show since Carson retired (the Larry Sanders Show notwithstanding).

Kimmel bums me out a bit. He was funny on The Man Show and was okay when he hosted whatever game show he did for awhile. Landing on a late night talk show as host and going full woke is a long, hard fall from the high achievement of hosting a popular comedy show featuring women with big tits wearing spandex jumping on trampolines in slow motion during its closing credits.

Fallon was never funny. It's a testament to Lorne Michael's complete incompetence that Fallon ever appeared on SNL, even once. I have never seen him in a skit where he isn't snickering at the camera before anybody gets to the punchline.
 
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