What exactly makes Trump "far-right?"

[RybenZ999]

I've seen people call him far-right and fascist all the time and I don't really get it. Neither do I get why so many alt-righters are attracted to him. He just seems like a 90s New York democrat to me. He's supported gay rights as far back as the 90s, has always spoken out against racism, isn't an ARDENT pro-lifer (Just a couple of days back he offered what he calls a "compromise"; that people should select a certain number of weeks acceptable for an abortion and be done with it), at least promised not to touch social security and medicare, has spoken out in favor of medical marijuana and has generally shown support for legal immigrants. His beef seems to be mostly with illegals, which isn't exactly all that preposterous or unreasonable taking the job market into account. The only truly "socially conservative" policy of his I can think of is that tranny military ban.

I guess what I'm getting to here is, he's not any more conservative than Bill Clinton was in the 90s, except has a lot less decorum. Personally I just see him as an opportunist who pretends to care about cultural issues as a means to enrich himself. So I guess I don't really get the fearmongering around him or the "he's the savior" thing.

 

[Shig O'nella]

He doesn't kiss the Dem ring completely. That is all.

 

[Meat Target]

"Far-right" is now just a snarl-word for someone who defies the Establishment.

To paraphrase Michael Moore, Trump was a big orange "Fuck You" to the Uniparty that has left millions of Americans behind in favor of Big Business and the military-industrial complex. Trump ruined their plans for 2030 by dethroning Hillary. She was supposed to cement their Thousand-Year Reich, and the Bitter Clingers would just sit down and do as they're told.

He showed that someone with enough money, charisma, and a total lack of fucks to give can break the cycle.

He proved that the Uniparty is not invincible. All their pearl-clutching about "norms" and "decency" is just an excuse to never raise a fuss, hurt their feelings, or question their right to rule. They've never had someone so powerful openly defy them, and have millions of supporters behind him.

That has sent them into histrionics about "Our Democracy" being in peril, because their idea of "Our Democracy" is their exclusive clique being in power forever, while the little people pretend to give them consent to rule.

He exposed them for the petty, vindictive, crooked fools that they are, and they will never forgive him or his voters for humiliating them. Hell hath no fury like an Establishment scorned.

 

[Calandrino]

TL;DR he imprisoned Muslim kids in cages and injected them with bleach

 

[Fascist Frederick]

Because he ran against Hillary and won while it was Her turn. Chairman Mao himself could have been resurrected in 2016 and if he ran against Her he'd also be labeled far right.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Nothing, it's a retarded buzzword retards say when you disagree with them on certain topics. Trump was a lifelong Democrat and represents the old party that used to support working class people.

Thanks to Regean opening the doors to Chinese labor the Unions were gutted and so the Democrat party had to switch focus in order to survive. So, we have the disgusting hedonist party the Democrats are today. It only got worse because when Trump switched parties he took all the old guard with him which made the Democrat party worse and more deranged.

 

[Dambusters' Dog II]

If you say immigration causes problems in any way, including illegal immigration, you are a "racist". It's been that way since the late '60s - here's a clip of Enoch Powell on the Dick Cavett show:

Some people will consider me a racist for agreeing with Powell on anything. That proves his point, just like when Muslim groups react with violence to people saying Islam is a violent religion.

 

[RybenZ999]

Nothing, it's a retarded buzzword retards say when you disagree with them on certain topics. Trump was a lifelong Democrat and represents the old party that used to support working class people.

Thanks to Regean opening the doors to Chinese labor the Unions were gutted and so the Democrat party had to switch focus in order to survive. So, we have the disgusting hedonist party the Democrats are today. It only got worse because when Trump switched parties he took all the old guard with him which made the Democrat party worse and more deranged.

>Trump
>Representing the working class
C'mon anon let's not kid ourselves here...

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

>Trump
>Representing the working class
C'mon anon let's not kid ourselves here...

Who's actually meeting with the workers currently striking? Who went to Ohio to help working people out during that train crash? Who increased domestic oil production which lead to the creation of more American jobs? Who put up sanctions against China to increase American Independence?

Just because Trump is a billionaire doesn't automatically make him another legacy scumbag like the Rothschild. Trump worked to get to where he is which is why he's infinitely more relatable than your average swamp creature.

 

[Stan]

"Far-right" is now just a snarl-word for someone who defies the Establishment.

Main thing that makes Trump far-right in my eyes is his willingness to incite a mob to prevent Congress from certifying that he lost the election. Planning a coup d'etat and inciting a violent mob attack the VP is something a dictator would do. Trying to pardon himself or otherwise intervene in his own criminal trial by misusing his executive powers is also something a dictator would do.

Oh, does that make you cry foul? You can't have it both ways: Either the elections are rigged, and Trump both won and lost because of the Illuminati (or whatever), or the elections are not rigged, and Trump won fairly, and then he lost fairly. It's batshit for Trump to say an election is fair only when he (or his preferred candidate) wins and rigged if he loses. Democrats couldn't manage a bordello in a gold rush, but even they play by the rules on the Constitution.

Trump's policies are for the most part meh. I would say of his governance: you can teach a dog to drive straight. Smooth seas do not a seasoned sailor make. If everything is going well in America, being President is easy. I gather that he prefers silly Presidential activities like turkey pardons and Easter egg rolls over important Presidential activities like governance, leading the nation, etc. The most conservative thing he accomplished was to appoint 2 conservative Supreme Court justices.

Trump did fine until COVID hit the States, and then it was obvious he was flying by the seat of his pants, there was no plan, and then we all were compelled to live like NEETs for a year and a half. And voters voted him out for that. (to be fair, I think most sitting presidents would have been fighting an uphill battle during the 2020 election because of COVID-19's impacts on the economy and our personal lives.)

I don't think Trump actually cares about politics. He has the native political settings of a New Yorker, but he's happy to say whatever energizes his base and upsets his rivals.

The other thing, and idk if this is far-right, is that Trump lies all. the. time. He lies about shit so stupid and easy to catch that I have to wonder if the people support him know he's lying and just don't care. I don't think a mendacious President with such ignorance and disrespect for the Constitution deserves a second bite at the apple.

 

[Meat Target]

Main thing that makes Trump far-right in my eyes is his willingness to incite a mob to prevent Congress from certifying that he lost the election. Planning a coup d'etat and inciting a violent mob attack the VP is something a dictator would do. Trying to pardon himself or otherwise intervene in his own criminal trial by misusing his executive powers is also something a dictator would do.

If a government can be toppled by some unruly boomers and some retard in a buffalo hat, then that's a problem with the stability of the government. If a stiff breeze can knock down your house, it's not the breeze's fault.

You and your ilk are hypochondriacs. If Trump were the dictator you think he is, you would already be dead or imprisoned. What kind of dictator ultimately allows himself to be cucked out of power?

Contrast him with the current regime. If you are Catholic, if you are a parent concerned about schools being hunting grounds for groomers and buggery, or if you criticize the government, the DoJ now considers you an Enemy of the State. The Feds even straight-up assassinated a 74-year-old who couldn't walk without a cane, because he talked shit about the Dementia Emperor.

 

[SuperShibuyaFighter]

Because the media said so, don't question the media.

 

[Barry McKockner]

Main thing that makes Trump far-right in my eyes is his willingness to incite a mob to prevent Congress from certifying that he lost the election.

This is not something the right has a monopoly on. Using mobs for whatever nebulous view of "justice" one has has happened throughout the political spectrum since the earth was born.

Planning a coup d'etat and inciting a violent mob attack the VP is something a dictator would do.

Dictators haven't historically been exclusively far right. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, I could go on. Hell, Lenin was a communist, which is far left by all accounts. I could go on and on and on, but you get the picture. You either don' t know history or are willfully dismissing the data points that contradict this point.

Trying to pardon himself or otherwise intervene in his own criminal trial by misusing his executive powers is also something a dictator would do.

This LITERALLY never happened. Also, see the above on your supposed association between "far right" and "dictator".

The most conservative thing he accomplished was to appoint 2 conservative Supreme Court justices.

If this is the most conservative thing he did policy-wise, then you've defeated your own argument with this one sentence.

The other thing, and idk if this is far-right, is that Trump lies all. the. time. He lies about shit so stupid and easy to catch that I have to wonder if the people support him know he's lying and just don't care. I don't think a mendacious President with such ignorance and disrespect for the Constitution deserves a second bite at the apple.

Lying is not something exclusive to ANY political leaning. Every person in politics lies to you, period.

No reason you have given is exclusive to "far right" anything. If he had said he wanted to ban all abortions with no exclusions, I would agree. If he had said he wanted to outlaw being gay, I would be calling him far right myself. Bottom line is he's not. If you look at what he actually did, his farthest right stances are on south and central american immigration and taxes. Can't even begin to compare to Mussolini.

 

[Stan]

If a government can be toppled by some unruly boomers and some retard in a buffalo hat, then that's a problem with the stability of the government. If a stiff breeze can knock down your house, it's not the breeze's fault.

Uh, except people aren't like the wind. You can hold people accountable for what they do, and if they try to overthrow the government, they shouldn't be given another opportunity to run that government.

You and your ilk are hypochondriacs. If Trump were the dictator you think he is, you would already be dead or imprisoned. What kind of dictator ultimately allows himself to be cucked out of power?

A weak and cowardly one, which Trump is. He knew there was no reasonable endgame to the Capitol Building raid; he hardly had the firepower to overcome the National Guard. It delayed the certification, but it was never going to actually prevent it. So Trump backed down, disavowed the mob, and retreated to vie for power another way. Maybe he thought the military would take his side on Jan 6th, but that didn't happen.

Dictators haven't historically been exclusively far right. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, I could go on. Hell, Lenin was a communist, which is far left by all accounts. I could go on and on and on, but you get the picture. You either don' t know history or are willfully dismissing the data points that contradict this point.

I never said they were?

No reason you have given is exclusive to "far right" anything. If he had said he wanted to ban all abortions with no exclusions, I would agree. If he had said he wanted to outlaw being gay, I would be calling him far right myself. Bottom line is he's not. If you look at what he actually did, his farthest right stances are on south and central american immigration and taxes. Can't even begin to compare to Mussolini.

lmao I am just here to explain why I think Trump has an authoritarian bent. But it doesn't matter if he's personally far-right or not. The right wing of American politics is willing to close ranks around him, guntguard him, and ignore it when he throws a temper tantrum and sends his supporters to wreck shit. That political base is right-leaning, Trump says what they want to hear... if he panders to the right wing, and is the darling of the right wing, then he is right wing.

 

[Meat Target]

A weak and cowardly one, which Trump is. He knew there was no reasonable endgame to the Capitol Building raid; he hardly had the firepower to overcome the National Guard.

He ASKED for the NG to protect the Capitol, and was denied. And the Capitol Police (at the incitement of absolutely-totally-not-a-Fed Ray Epps) let them into the Capitol.

It delayed the certification, but it was never going to actually prevent it. So Trump backed down, disavowed the mob, and retreated to vie for power another way. Maybe he thought the military would take his side on Jan 6th, but that didn't happen.

Either he's an all-powerful dictator, or a weak and powerless loser. You cannot have it both ways, dipshit.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

"Far-right" is now just a snarl-word for someone who defies the Establishment.

Nothing, it's a retarded buzzword retards say when you disagree with them on certain topics.

Yep. The buzzwords like "alt-right", "conspiracy theory", "far-right", "fascist", "incel", "misinformation", "misogynist", "Nazi", "racist", "white supremacy", etc. are used interchangeably as soy ways to say "wrongthink" or "non-conformist" by the "woke" cult.

 

[Stan]

He ASKED for the NG to protect the Capitol, and was denied. And the Capitol Police (at the incitement of absolutely-totally-not-a-Fed Ray Epps) let them into the Capitol.

He hosted a giant rally walking distance to the Capitol and called Mike Pence a traitor.
If you honestly think Jan 6th was a giant keyfabe instigated by seeeecret federal people (expoliting those poor Boogaloos and QAnons!) then I doubt I can convince you with truth, facts, evidence, or reason.

Either he's an all-powerful dictator, or a weak and powerless loser. You cannot have it both ways, dipshit.

He's the leader of a failed putsch. See: Yevgeny Prigozhin. Adolf Hitler. At times politicians can recover from failed coups and live to reign another day.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Personally I think Trump’s main problem was naïveté. He had his criticisms of the obvious hypocrisy, but deep down he didn’t realize how bad things actually are.

So he gets himself elected with a war council of whores and grifters, then when the constant, admittedly unprecedented level of media criticism gets under his skin, he starts getting rid of the people who hurt his feelings vis a vis the perception of betrayal and ends up keeping shitheads like Chris Wray, John Bolton, Mark Milley etc.

His heart was in the right place, and of the things he managed to accomplish, they usually helped. But he never came close to cleaning house and he wasted the time he had to stack non-wokes in federal agency positions

 

[Meat Target]

If you honestly think Jan 6th was a giant keyfabe instigated by seeeecret federal people (expoliting those poor Boogaloos and QAnons!) then I doubt I can convince you with truth, facts, evidence, or reason.

Except it wasn't secret. There were dozens of federal informants in the crowd.

He's the leader of a failed putsch. See: Yevgeny Prigozhin. Adolf Hitler.

Politicians had their feewings hurt by rowdy peasants for a few hours. Boo hoo hoo, will somebody please think of the Oligarchs?

I laughed watching those rat bastards cower behind their desks and fleeing with plastic bags on their heads. They are the architects of countless miseries the world over. They have enriched themselves at the expense of people who trust them.

Do you sincerely expect me to feel sorry for those sociopaths? Because I don't. And I never will, even if you put a gun in my face and demand it of me.

And before you bloviate poetic about "Our Democracy": they do not represent my interests. We do not have a democracy, or even a democratic republic. We have an oligarchy that wears "Democacy" as a Buffalo Bill skinsuit. The Capitol is not a "Temple of Democracy", it's a whorehouse of decadence.

So please, if you're gonna cry about how Bad Orange Man took a shit on your masters' lawn, you'd be better off crying to someone who gives a fuck. Because I don't.

I know you'll call me a "traitor", but that implies that I owe any loyalty to this irredeemably corrupt and dying country, which actively despises me and wants me impoverished or dead.

 

[Barry McKockner]

I never said they were?

Right here:

Main thing that makes Trump far-right in my eyes is his willingness

lmao I am just here to explain why I think Trump has an authoritarian bent. But it doesn't matter if he's personally far-right or not.

Right here:

The other thing, and idk if this is far-right, is that Trump lies all. the. time

Your statement wasn't about authoritarianism, it was about "far right", by your own words. own it or not, idc.

The right wing of American politics is willing to close ranks around him, guntguard him, and ignore it when he throws a temper tantrum and sends his supporters to wreck shit. That political base is right-leaning, Trump says what they want to hear... if he panders to the right wing, and is the darling of the right wing, then he is right wing.

Not only have you also described the left wing politics as well, we had congressmen telling people to not allow a moment of peace for political adversaries, and wrecking shit is par for the course for the left wing at least since what, 2017?

He is right wing, at least economically. But definitely not far right, and one of the least effective authoritarians in the last 30 years.