What causes low birthrates?

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Whites are obsolete to the powerful elite.

They don't work more than 8h a day,they don't have a caste system and don't regard them as better-than-everyone Gods, etc

Just roll over and die so that the slave masses can roll over and work themselves to death venerating their slavemasters
 
Maybe the world is just too crowded and we all know it on some level? A lot of animals are similar.
Trying to control birthrates is stupid. It didn't work before when people were worried about overpopulation. Now, countries that tried to control theirs are facing an upcoming crisis. Does humanity know any better how to control population than it did several decades ago? It obviously doesn't, so people should stop meddling in these things.
 
Does humanity know any better how to control population than it did several decades ago? It obviously doesn't, so people should stop meddling in these things.
Every method that's been employed has failed spectacularly anyway. Demographers are terrible at predicting future population trends, they're terrible at identifying what population/population change is actually in the best interest of societies, and they're terrible at coming up with effective ways to actually influence people to reduce or increase birthrates.

Yet we're still supposed to trust them despite a legacy of being ludicrously wrong about everything, over and over, going back to at least Malthus in the late 18th century.
 
You need to start looking at the values and wisdom passed onto the average household, to understand why most people aren’t procreating. If I had to guess, people’s direct experiences with their parents raising them, gave them a bad image of what parenting really entails. I guess fucking some bitch and coming inside her, is not the ‘win’ boomers want you to think it is.
It’s pretty obvious though. Being a parent is a shit job and it’s likely you never heard the end of it from your own parents, about how much raising you fucking sucks and how they’d rather be doing anything else than tend to you, not their child, but their ‘legal obligation’. The ‘emotional fulfillment myths’ you hear from wine aunts, only works on people who can’t back out of being parents.
It’s obvious to anyone with a brain that most parents are horribly depressed people, and having children made their lives harder, not better. No shit the average person is not up for being ‘spiritually enriched’ through hardship, no matter how much koolaid they drink. Some people aren’t cut out for the obligation of being a parent, and the ones who suffer are the very children of said apathetic, disenfranchised parents. Just look at the no-contact phenomenon. When people have the choice to opt out of being around their parents, they take it. I guarantee you if parents had the same ability without any blow-back, they would take it too. Being a family unit for whatever reason, is not worth it anymore to youngins. You have their parents to blame for the negative impression they have of their obligations.

Beyond that? You have to convince woman that it’s worth it to be around men long enough for them to eventually shove their dick in them one voluntarily agree to do some bullshit with them for 18 years. Good luck running that by the first generation of woman who proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that if they had the freedom and the choice, they wouldn’t give the time of day to men, who need woman the same way an infant needs a tit to suck on.
 
Imagine the utter catastrophy if every fertile adult woman wore one of these bad boys.

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I think development/ city living has made having kids too difficult.

I remember an educated African who was living in the USA saying having kids in Africa was very easy compared to the west, you just pump them out and the whole neighborhood / family took care of them. My guess is that most Africans are not taking their kids to soccer practice or paying tutors to get them to the best universities etc ect.

It may explain why both the super rich and the very poor have more kids than the middle class. For them the extra effort or money they are losing is not that much.
 
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I think development/ city living has made having kids too difficult.

I remember an educated African who was living in the USA saying having kids in Africa was very easy compared to the west, you just pump them out and the whole neighborhood / family took care of them. My guess is that most Africans are not taking their kids to soccer practice or paying tutors to get them to the best universities etc ect.

It may explain why both the super rich and the very poor have more kids than the middle class. For them the extra effort or money they are losing is not that much.
it's true that things are more difficult, but you're also seeing a k vs r selected difference there.
 
Whites are obsolete to the powerful elite.

They don't work more than 8h a day,they don't have a caste system and don't regard them as better-than-everyone Gods, etc

Just roll over and die so that the slave masses can roll over and work themselves to death venerating their slavemasters
Incorrect. They are a potential threat. It's like how humans slowly eliminated megafauna. More like a smart long term thinking, really.

As workers they were generally better and that's why there are growing competenct crisis, why reliability of academia is falling apart. Because the fruits of high trust/guilt society is hard to replicate or replace without also being high trust/guilt.
 
People have more access to information and honest anecdotes that give them an informed idea of just how big of a physical, monetary and emotional investment children are and just don't feel like pursuing it, especially when we have shiny distractions like internet, TV and games to occupy our spare time.

In harsher times our grandparents parents found eachother/were matched, got married for social security reasons more than anything else and children were just an inevitability of sating hubby's needs; plus they provided extra help and acted as your live-in caregivers when you got old and infirm.

Reproduction means spending energy and we already spend energy at our jobs. We know it's necessary but we can't really be bothered; we don't need extra hands on the farm or small toddlers crawling up chimneys anymore.
 
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I remember someone here saying that birthrates sink when children goes from being free workforce to very expensive cats. Pretty spot on.

Having kids has moved from the bottom of Maslows staircase to the top. There's no practical reason to have them what so ever. Instead it has become a part of self fulfillment. Not everyone reach the top of the staircase and if they do, not everyone wants kids anyway. If they want kids one or at the most two fulfills the spiritual need.
 
It's a combination of several things. Number one is women's rights. Since they're allowed to choose their own partners, work, and slut it up, completely unlike the rest of human history, they choose not to settle down, leaving an entire generation of young men without hope of partners, and then they end up in their late 30s with fertility problems and nobody wants them anymore. Number two is that humans aren't a species that breeds in captivity. We've never been more monitored, scrutinized, or trapped within a top-down prescribed way of living than we are right now. Number three is the economy is in such a dire state that doing things like having children comes with extreme financial disincentives.

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The #1 predictor of a country's birth rate is how educated its women are. The longer women spend in school, the longer they delay marriage and becoming mothers, and the fewer children they have. Not only that, but educated women can have independent income, so their income-preference for potential husbands rises as well. Since educating women and introducing them to the workforce doesn't make men richer, this simply reduces the number of men a woman is willing to consider.
 
so their income-preference for potential husbands rises as well
Women also view education as a status symbol more than as something related to anything practical like getting certified for jobs in the way that men do. So they will not pair with men with lower educational attainment because they view those men as lower stats, going against the natural hypergamy instinct. With scholarships and programs exclusive to women, it's led more women than men graduating from higher education, creating a shortage of suitably high status men in their eyes.
 
At the end of the day it's because we live in an extremely godless society. The more you think about it, the more you realize any justification anyone has for not having kids are completely taking Christ out of the picture (oh I don't want to settle yet I want to have fun! oh house prices are too expensive! oh I won't be able to afford anything! oh my sperm is shot/ ovaries are dead because of chemicals in the water so I won't even bother! oh men/ women are all complete garbage and do not line up with MY impeccable standards, regardless of how wretched and sinful I am as a person!) and stem from an abject lack of faith that things will work out in the end, or an abject lack of desire to admit our own faults to ourselves.

I have never seen more happy, healthy kids with families who genuinely love them in spite of all their shortcomings than in my Church parish, so if you want kids then start going to Church and working on yourself.
 
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It is multiple things, but I think there are two main currents which are colliding:
1. Women’s education
2. Environmental factors
If they had the upper hand (as a lot of tards think) then they'd treat pregnant women much better than we currently do, and families would actually be encouraged.
This is something I agree with. A society that really valued women would have children and the family at the heart of everything. Where you do see more of this is scandi societies - yet even they aren’t breeding even though they are objectively good places to raise kids and kids are welcomed there
having kids in Africa was very easy compared to the west, you just pump them out and the whole neighborhood / family took care of them.
This is a big one. I’ve had kids when I’ve been close to family support and when I’ve been thousands of miles away and the difference is night and day. At no other period in history have couples been expected to have a kid, BOTH keep working out of the house almost immediately and have no family around. It does make a big difference
The #1 predictor of a country's birth rate is how educated its women are. The longer women spend in school, the longer they delay marriage and becoming mothers, and the fewer children they have. Not only that, but educated women can have independent income, so their income-preference for potential husbands rises as well. Since educating women and introducing them to the workforce doesn't make men richer, this simply reduces the number of men a woman is willing to consider.
This is also true and for individual women it may be a big benefit even though for birth rates it’s a net negative. The problem here is that there are conflicting forces driving the choice at societal and individual levels and the individual benefit wins out
. If I was uneducated and had five kids and my husband abandoned me I’d be absolutely screwed, child support enforcement is laughable here. I’d have no way of getting a decent job and I’d have to really struggle. If I’m educated and my husband leaves me I can at least keep a roof over our heads. So in an individual level, it’s a benefit. Then more women do it, because it’s an advantage and then once enough do you HAVE to do it becasue if you don’t you’re stuck in a system where marriage and looking after the family isn’t the main goal any more. Leaving isn’t penalised any more. so to resource max for your offspring there are two winning moves: one is young marriage to a rich dedicated man who will commit to stay with the family for life and the other is educate yourself to find a decent man who will treat you well and look after family. Option one is rare now. But you cannot blame women for getting educated - there are not enough men who are willing to marry young and commit for not being educated to be a good strategy.

People start later due to college and buying a house taking forever. There are many consequences to starting late: less time equals fewer kids. Nursery costs being so high means women space them out more than they’d like and have fewer. Most (over half) women I know would have had one more if it was economically viable.

Then there’s the lowered sperm counts, microplastics, and the depressed breeding drive from poor environment and crowding. It’s a perfect storm of mental, physical and environmental issues.
 
there are not enough men who are willing to marry young and commit for not being educated to be a good strategy.
Gonna call BS on this, even if I agree with the general sentiment. I think the issue is less the availability of suitors, but rather that they no longer offer anything at this stage, as you put here:
People start later due to college and buying a house taking forever.
People get put through school till they are typically 22, then you have to hope the economy is good so they can even begin working at that age, then also hope that said job is even economically viable so they can leave their parents house.

The rate of everything is much longer now, and women don't want losers, even if they are working towards those things. This then creates a mass disparity between those looking to commit as there is a small pool for which men can/will offer both.
 
High standard of living contingent on both parents working combined with high healthcare/childcare cost. One of the biggest factors in falling birthrate is the fact that in order for a vast majority of couples to maintain a middle class standard of living both must work and many would fall into a lower class life with the expenses of children. There are also the propagandized/mindbroken people who think children are bad or having a child is irresponsible but they are far less common than people who just don't want to sacrifice the lifestyle they're accustomed to. Poor people don't give a fuck because they don't pay their medical bills anyway, and just pop out kids with reckless abandon. They have no comfort or dreams to lose because it's all out of reach for them anyway, and don't know any better/have any other option than to send their kids to public schools. The more you have to lose and the more you know the worse prospects seem.

So you're a couple in your 20s barely holding onto middle class status and you know your health insurance is already 5% of your income, rent/mortgage is 35%, your retirement savings is limited already and you know social security won't be there for you, you know public schools suck but can't afford another 15% of your income to go to private school, you don't want to leave your kid at day care when neither of you can be home and have selfish boomer parents or poor family cohesion because of modern society, and you don't want to sacrifice half of your income to home school because then you'll be poor and never get to retire, vacation, have anything nice. So you don't have kids. Seen it.

t. middle class parent who is lucky enough to not have to sacrifice being middle class to have multiple children

edit: rich people have never been at the top of the fertility tree.
 
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