Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[God of Nothing]

Most of my understanding is that it's mainly:

-Slop
-Random assets for the creative process
-Shitposting

Doesn't help that behavior documented in the AI Derangement. Where accusations of AI Usage happens all time or people who are extremely anti-AI get exposed for using it.

This as well. The quality of Western animation, and a good chunk of the East as well, is shit.

The bar is abysmal, but defended by the creative industry, so it's not that surprising that people don't really care about Generative AI. Or even support it because despite it being slop, it's at least what they want.

honestly, going into a thread on 4chan and it being filled with absolute dogshit seven fingered slop the entire fucking way is grating beyond belief
this shit is just spam
worthless endless fucking spam
but it's "art," so it stays

all it takes is one autist obsessed with their retarded vicarious "pairings" or one character and that's it
no discussion, no actual good fanart done by casual artists that vastly outdo the west's shitheap, no news about what's coming next or if anything is in planning, and certainly no good posts as everyone with sense bailed seeing where the fuck things are going

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

Most of my understanding is that it's mainly:

-Slop
-Random assets for the creative process
-Shitposting

Doesn't help that behavior documented in the AI Derangement. Where accusations of AI Usage happens all time or people who are extremely anti-AI get exposed for using it.

Yeah but it doesn't explain the passion behind the pro-Ai argument, ok Anti-ai redditors are cringe and gay and lame, but if you tell people that ai images are "real" art then there is a chance that someone who would have been talented or made something interesting won't because "Ai can make art better than I ever could" I'm not saying that nothing made with Ai Imagery is inherently not art and can't be good, but can we at least be able to question how to use this tech and whether we're using or thinking about it correctly.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Popeye's script needed retweaking, but Amy Pascal wasn't having it. You can tell in places of that animatic Genndy had planned to work with one of his favorite cartoon characters/inspirations for a long time, he just wasn't allowed to realize it. That teaser is a miracle all on its own, if only the whole movie could've been like that.

That needed a lot more than retweaks, that was exactly the Surf Dracula meme

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I don't care what happening, i'm not watching genndy's zoo porn movie.

I'm not gonna denounce his good work, but over the last fifteen years I've def found Genndy isn't the flawless cartoon meister he was hoped to be

 

[Chocolate Rain]

I don't understand the defense of generative AI, for me it's trading artistry or novelty.

I dont understand the excessive hate for it either. Much like how people bitched about CG, Flash and Toon Boom its just another tool thats already being implemented in the industry and people are never going to let it go because a bunch of twitter trannies complain about it. If the industry weren't as much of a slop factory as it is now then your argument would make sense but it's not people just want instant gratification.

0:10

So its less that generative AI isnt slop it very much is but the alternative they're putting forth does not exist its just slop made by hacks rather than a computer.

It takes practice and your not granteed to become anything great but it's better for you in the end.

But its still shit you just wasted your time crafting it. Something like Big Mouth being crafted by hand doesn't give it more artistic merit all you're seeing is that a bunch of pedos hand drew a little girl's vagina.

 

[harmy.kook]

going into a thread on 4chan

>Uses 4cuck
>in 2026

You may like it, but you need help

if

Dude, I'm going to be real honest with you: it's sounds like you already got your mind set. Especially since one of the most obvious/consistent reasons around for "Why" is that not everyone has time, especially in this day and age. The novelty, that you claim it removes in the initial post, is the very reason why it's defended so heavily.

but the alternative they're putting forth does not exist its just slop made by hacks rather than a computer.

Especially when said Hacks can undermine any Creativity/Time-spent because of a long list of offenses.

It's like asking why people are going Eastward and getting shocked when people don't want to waste their time sifting through "Hand-drawn" slop/Political Sperging for the slightest possiblity of quality.

 

[God of Nothing]

>Uses 4cuck
>in 2026

still have to use torkiwi in 2026

 

[Thiletonomics]

I don't understand the defense of generative AI, for me it's trading artistry or novelty.

they are against AI because it's taking their pathetic excuses for "jobs"
i am against AI because it creates trash
we are not the same

Have people also boycotted AI because of it's association to , and is another way that they oppress ?

 

[God of Nothing]

Have people also boycotted AI because of it's association to , and is another way that they oppress ?

that's new
where is that from?
what, do people think it's the same AI in drones?

 

[harmy.kook]

Have people also boycotted AI because of it's association to , and is another way that they oppress ?

that's new
where is that from?
what, do people think it's the same AI in drones?

The reasons change by the monthly online

 

[Trollblade69]

I don't understand the defense of generative AI, for me it's trading artistry or novelty.

The hivemind hates artists for occasionally tweeting support of SJWs and Antifa. They support AIslop because it promises to put artists all out of their jobs and give more money to the establishment of old white men and techbros.

 

[Cryogonal2]

The hivemind hates artists for occasionally tweeting support of SJWs and Antifa. They support AIslop because it promises to put artists all out of their jobs and give more money to the establishment of old white men and techbros.

ah so its another case of some stupid shit getting pulled into the culture war and being further tainted by it

 

[penninkfaget]

The hivemind hates artists for occasionally tweeting support of SJWs and Antifa. They support AIslop because it promises to put artists all out of their jobs and give more money to the establishment of old white men and techbros.

first they came for the musicians, and i did not speak out because i was not a musician


then they came for the cel inkers/colorists, and i did not speak out because i was not a cel inker/colorist


then they came for the dedicated layout artists, and i did not speak out because i was not a dedicated layout artist


now they've come for me, and there's no one left to speak for me

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

The hivemind hates artists for occasionally tweeting support of SJWs and Antifa. They support AIslop because it promises to put artists all out of their jobs and give more money to the establishment of old white men and techbros.

But people like Emily Yucuas(definitely spelled that wrong) the girl behind the Will Stancel show hates a lot of the tech people because they're Jewish, her only argument is efficiency as far as I can tell.

ah so its another case of some stupid shit getting pulled into the culture war and being further tainted by it

Best that I can see.

 

[Castoreum]

Ya'll agree with this post?

I don't care if Jesus Christ himself made it. I will never watch a cartoon about dogs fucking or talking about fucking.

I don't understand the defense of generative AI, for me it's trading artistry or novelty.

To me the most obvious use of AI for animation is to generate:

1) turnarounds for character sheets
2) in-between frames
3) coloring pencil tests/keyframes
4) clean-up

both for 2D and 3D productions. AFAIK there are models that work decently with staying on-model. And there are models that can import rigged 3d assets.

Are industry workers really just generating from nothing using prompts? Not even starting with basic sketches?

 

[penninkfaget]

But people like Emily Yucuas(definitely spelled that wrong) the girl behind the Will Stancel show hates a lot of the tech people because they're Jewish, her only argument is efficiency as far as I can tell.

the alfred's playhouse creator? i believe it's more "because it's funny" in her case

 

[FrogMinutes]

I dont understand the excessive hate for it either.

Think of it as someone claiming: watching a let's play of a game is the same experience as playing it.
with that same someone trying to say they know more about your favorite game you have 500+ hours in.

3D, digital and traditional are interactive tools, in the sense that you still must use the same tool to do things (your brain)
concepts like Anatomy, composition, shape language, lighting, are mechanics you can fuck around with in all mediums,
AI doesn't work on this foundation of "you are playing the game right now, you see that leaf? you can run him over with your car"

TLDR:

AI:

Art:

 

[harmy.kook]

the alfred's playhouse creator? i believe it's more "because it's funny" in her case

You see, it needs to be categorized under "Culture War bullshit" so it can dismissed as pointless

Notice how Edgeymcedgename and others are mainly responding to those saying that, but not anything else.

 

[penninkfaget]

3D, digital and traditional are interactive tools, in the sense that you still must use the same tool to do things (your brain)
concepts like Anatomy, composition, shape language, lighting, are mechanics you can fuck around with in all mediums,
AI doesn't work on this foundation of "you are playing the game right now, you see that leaf? you can run him over with your car"

now this argument i can kinda understand, that said even generative ai in itself still requires some form of interaction in order to achieve the 'desired' result, iir

You see, it needs to be categorized under "Culture War bullshit" so it can dismissed as pointless

Notice how Edgeymcedgename and others are mainly responding to those saying that, but not anything else.

like i said before, i've honestly stopped caring one way or the other. at the end of the day though it's just another tool. one among many that corpos are misusing to enshittify the industry even further, but a tool nonetheless

i just find it kind of funny that there's little of interest going on in western animation right now that we have to take this debate right here

 

[Cryogonal2]

You see, it needs to be categorized under "Culture War bullshit" so it can dismissed as pointless

The problem is that once something is dragged into the culture war, the love and hate surrounding it inverts from focusing on the negative or positive aspects of the thing, to arguments on the line of "political party I don't like loves or hates it, so I hate or love it." I don't think AI has any place in legitimate business because it is only used by lazy fucks for the sake of being lazy fucks. You're basically saying "I don't care about the job I'm being paid to do," so I will respond appropriately by not giving that slop any attention. So, it's not that the subject itself is made pointless it's that the prospect of debating the subject is made pointless. At that point all you need is to look at the bio of the person raising a hoot about AI and you already know what their position is and why they have that position.

 

[harmy.kook]

but a tool nonetheless

i just find it kind of funny that there's little of interest going on in western animation right now that we have to take this debate right here

Well yeah? What is there to be excited for?:

-Another Tumblr show
-Another Tranny project
-A continuation of a old show
-A live action remake.

Yet people can't understand why people are going to Gen. AI or to the East.

How many different projects have we heard about that has been left behind? How many projects that have been put on the backburner because of the damage done by this Cabal in the industry? There's constantly leaks about how so many passionate scripts and projects are abandoned, yet you can see the works that were chosen and see the mentality of the creatives behind it.

But somehow, you can't talk about it as a explanation.

at the end of the day though it's just another tool.

And even that isn't permissible seeing what just happened to the guy who created El Tigre.

It's been turned into a "all or nothing" game by the Leftists in the industry, but don't you dare bring it up because that's just the C.W.

https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2060374224410226946

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He's walking back on AI, most likely due to backlash.