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[Life is Hell...]

Inside Job is finally out for anyone interested in watching it

Spoiler

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[Yamma Damma]

Weird reasoning to cancel a show, especially if there's more shows, made by the same studio, running with the same criteria. Also dunno why she's comparing serialization to anime, serialization in anime is usually shit (I hate story structure in anime).

What animes are you watching? A fuckton of animes and all the popular shonan ones are serialized but have enough development and lore to make parodies and chibi shorts. It's rare in western media because our cartoons need rerun value or else kids won't know what's going on and tune out. And it's us who are shit at it in large doses.

Is hard for me to point down what Disney's 'brand' is right now, especially since they started producing shows with creepier element - but I have even more trouble getting what TOH 'brand' is.
The show has no set themes, plot threads that go nowhere and characters that have nothing to do. The only thing it managed to establish is a stinking relationship - a milestone in a show where a girl wants to become a witch despite being human, and fighting a oppressive emperor is that said girl entered a relationship... priorities man.

It sounds like Owl House made the same mistake as Steven Universe: too many chefs in the kitchen and nobody to tell them stfu and gtfo. Luz was shaping up to be a rock thrown into the natural and magical order of the Boiling Isles with Eda and King as the rock throwers. But leading up to her going to magic school, it felt like the writers were rushing shit to get to the "good stuff" with other characters without letting us get used to the three (four counting Hooty) we already had. I guess it only got worse and gayer since then.

There is also this segment about writing in the interview, where they both say that they have never written a script before starting their shows, they we're both story-boarders, and they're of the opinion that boarding is similar to writing as you have to write all the dialogue and decide how things happen.
However, I'd disagree with that. Writing an episode based on a premise of the writer, than write a big scale world with consistency. They're separated parts of the pipeline for a reason. Both cool professions tho!

That explains the juggling act of ideas you said above. I agree but when you're on a tight schedule and shoestring budget, one person working two jobs isn't strange, it's expected (and unfair sometimes). With all that work put on boarders it's no wonder a lot of CN alumni are gender-confused trashfires living on twatter. Disney has the cash to separate the two but what use is the best crew money can buy when the captain is bumbling?

Season 1 has laid such a weak foundation of this world/story/characters that it seems impossible to build anything meaningful out of it. Why should I care about any of this characters? why should I care about the villain? Why should I care about the relationships in this show?

This sounds similar to why Star Vs. ended up the way it did. If magic is a main theme it needs rules or it's just stupid messy writing.

He’s out of the coma(and in-universe he was in it for three years), so the past two season have been him adjusting to essentially being gone for those three years(and how everyone has changed since then) while also trying to get back into proper shape. I’d say they’re worth watching.

Dreamland wasn't bad but the ending dropped the ball hard. Danger Island was so boring I didn't bother with the space one. The season he wakes up is ironically a return to form similar to Archer Vice (where he also cheated death from almost drowning).

 

[Stuck Pooh]

What animes are you watching? A fuckton of animes and all the popular shonan ones are serialized but have enough development and lore to make parodies and chibi shorts. It's rare in western media because our cartoons need rerun value or else kids won't know what's going on and tune out. And it's us who are shit at it in large doses.

I don't watch that much anime honestly probably shouldn't have made that broad a statement, my bad!

Spoiler: don't animus open inside

From what I remember right now I enjoyed Paranoia Agent, Baccano!, Cowboy Bepop, Maison Ikkoku and Silver Spoon.
Dunno If I should count in Death Note, because I stopped watching it once Near showed up, until them I thought it was excelent..

I think my gripes with Japanese serialization comes from Shounen actually, I don't watch that much of it tho.

Like they have interesting premises and a solid setting, but they oftentimes don't explore their settings, instead of developing conflict naturally with the characters that are already there, they add in new ones (that then need to be developed, usually quickly trough backstories) and after those characters aren't needed anymore they get discarded.
I'm not a huge fan of cutting a series into sagas, or back-stories, but it all depends on how it's handled.

But really, what frustrates me the most is the introduction and dispense of characters as tools..

In the end it's of course just personal preference. In the end, anime really has more practice in serialization than western animation has.

And it's us who are shit at it in large doses.

I think it depends on the show, but I get what you mean. We can either be pretty good with serialization or excruciatingly bad at it.
Moral Orel, Venture Brothers, Archer: Vice, AtlA, Kid Kosmic- Gravity falls too - were great at it.
Steven Universe, SvtoE, the She-ra reboot suck horse cock at it.
To me, it always felt like those three shows took the worst aspects of anime and incorporated them into their cartoons, but with zero awareness of how those tropes are used and how they could clash with western tropes..

Then again, these shows feel more like bad fanfiction than bad anime, so I could be wrong about that.
I mean, these are shows that are inspired by fandom culture for fandom culture.

I have this weird fascination with a Dutch-Japanese 80's show called Alfred J. Kwak, dunno how popular it was outside of Europe. It is also a serialized show, it starts when the MC is born and follows him growing up and going on adventures + political climate in his country.
The show has just so weird tonal shifts dude. Like the main antagonist is literally Hitler.
In some episode Alfred has to travel to the moon to a clown that lives there, so that the clown can teach him a violin song that can cure the plague - and in another episode it's about the political rising of the Hitler.
It ends with Hitler kidnapping MC's girlfriend, then MC has to break into Hitler's house and threaten him with a gun.

It's hilarious!

 

[Trilby]

I don't watch that much anime honestly probably shouldn't have made that broad a statement, my bad!

Spoiler: don't animus open inside

From what I remember right now I enjoyed Paranoia Agent, Baccano!, Cowboy Bepop, Maison Ikkoku and Silver Spoon.
Dunno If I should count in Death Note, because I stopped watching it once Near showed up, until them I thought it was excelent..

I think my gripes with Japanese serialization comes from Shounen actually, I don't watch that much of it tho.

Like they have interesting premises and a solid setting, but they oftentimes don't explore their settings, instead of developing conflict naturally with the characters that are already there, they add in new ones (that then need to be developed, usually quickly trough backstories) and after those characters aren't needed anymore they get discarded.
I'm not a huge fan of cutting a series into sagas, or back-stories, but it all depends on how it's handled.

But really, what frustrates me the most is the introduction and dispense of characters as tools..

In the end it's of course just personal preference. In the end, anime really has more practice in serialization than western animation has.

I think it depends on the show, but I get what you mean. We can either be pretty good with serialization or excruciatingly bad at it.
Moral Orel, Venture Brothers, Archer: Vice, AtlA, Kid Kosmic- Gravity falls too - were great at it.
Steven Universe, SvtoE, the She-ra reboot suck horse cock at it.
To me, it always felt like those three shows took the worst aspects of anime and incorporated them into their cartoons, but with zero awareness of how those tropes are used and how they could clash with western tropes..

Then again, these shows feel more like bad fanfiction than bad anime, so I could be wrong about that.
I mean, these are shows that are inspired by fandom culture for fandom culture.

I have this weird fascination with a Dutch-Japanese 80's show called Alfred J. Kwak, dunno how popular it was outside of Europe. It is also a serialized show, it starts when the MC is born and follows him growing up and going on adventures + political climate in his country.
The show has just so weird tonal shifts dude. Like the main antagonist is literally Hitler.
In some episode Alfred has to travel to the moon to a clown that lives there, so that the clown can teach him a violin song that can cure the plague - and in another episode it's about the political rising of the Hitler.
It ends with Hitler kidnapping MC's girlfriend, then MC has to break into Hitler's house and threaten him with a gun.

It's hilarious!

It's basically DuckTales with teeth! The MC also becomes an orphan right in the second episode when his whole family gets killed off by the very people who ran them off their land.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

In the spirit of the season I give you this:

 

[Saxxon]

I don't watch that much anime honestly probably shouldn't have made that broad a statement, my bad!

Spoiler: don't animus open inside

From what I remember right now I enjoyed Paranoia Agent, Baccano!, Cowboy Bepop, Maison Ikkoku and Silver Spoon.
Dunno If I should count in Death Note, because I stopped watching it once Near showed up, until them I thought it was excelent..

I think my gripes with Japanese serialization comes from Shounen actually, I don't watch that much of it tho.

Like they have interesting premises and a solid setting, but they oftentimes don't explore their settings, instead of developing conflict naturally with the characters that are already there, they add in new ones (that then need to be developed, usually quickly trough backstories) and after those characters aren't needed anymore they get discarded.
I'm not a huge fan of cutting a series into sagas, or back-stories, but it all depends on how it's handled.

But really, what frustrates me the most is the introduction and dispense of characters as tools..

In the end it's of course just personal preference. In the end, anime really has more practice in serialization than western animation has.

I think it depends on the show, but I get what you mean. We can either be pretty good with serialization or excruciatingly bad at it.
Moral Orel, Venture Brothers, Archer: Vice, AtlA, Kid Kosmic- Gravity falls too - were great at it.
Steven Universe, SvtoE, the She-ra reboot suck horse cock at it.
To me, it always felt like those three shows took the worst aspects of anime and incorporated them into their cartoons, but with zero awareness of how those tropes are used and how they could clash with western tropes..

Then again, these shows feel more like bad fanfiction than bad anime, so I could be wrong about that.
I mean, these are shows that are inspired by fandom culture for fandom culture.

I have this weird fascination with a Dutch-Japanese 80's show called Alfred J. Kwak, dunno how popular it was outside of Europe. It is also a serialized show, it starts when the MC is born and follows him growing up and going on adventures + political climate in his country.
The show has just so weird tonal shifts dude. Like the main antagonist is literally Hitler.
In some episode Alfred has to travel to the moon to a clown that lives there, so that the clown can teach him a violin song that can cure the plague - and in another episode it's about the political rising of the Hitler.
It ends with Hitler kidnapping MC's girlfriend, then MC has to break into Hitler's house and threaten him with a gun.

It's hilarious!

It's basically DuckTales with teeth! The MC also becomes an orphan right in the second episode when his whole family gets killed off by the very people who ran them off their land.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iUSdQ4pzUc8

Alfred J. Kwak is so fucking weird and that's why I love it, in any other series I would have roll out my eyes at seeing literal Hitler as the main villain and all the other themes that feel preachy but somehow the writers managed it to actually making it fun on top of finding the craziest way to resolve the problems.
One of my favorite episodes is the one where Alfred has to cure not-AIDS in not-Africa, so how does he do it? He flies to the moon so the clown that lives there teaches him how to play his magic violin to cure the disease by playing it on the radio for 3 hours straight. But then the politicians of the country throw his ass on jail, so now Alfred plays the magic violin to kidnap all the children of not-Africa as ransom to let him go and to treat the poor people that suffered from not-AIDS better. Just fucking insane.
Also, the soundtrack is really good.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

In the spirit of the season I give you this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZmB5MwyM1DM

What a weird-ass movie. There's a reason WB never shipped off the Looney Tunes characters to anyone they didn't already know after this thing. About the only thing of value here is the fact that they got Mel Blanc back for the voices, and even then Filmation screwed that up; Daffy, Porky, and Tweety are all sped up from Blanc's base performance in the classic shorts, but here, Daffy and Tweety sound like chipmunks, while Porky's voice isn't sped up at all.

 

[A Grey Cat]

"wasn't that the haunted Matress?"

"I guess he's been demoted to a haunted sleeping bag!"

*All laugh*

 

[Jewthulhu]

Just sharing this because I thought it was interesting. Victory Through Air Power; Disney's interpretation of Seversky's book by the same name. It's arguably one of if not the most important cartoon ever made; as it was screened to both Churchill and Roosevelt at the height of WWII and believed to have caused Roosevelt to shift America's war strategy to a more bomber-based one. Even if that's not true, still an interesting, especially how obvious it was even in the 40's that the future of combat was going to be based on air support.

 

[Vinluv Handesbukia]

Wakanda Roar-Ever!

 

[Vinluv Handesbukia]

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[A Grey Cat]

"Back off Eduardo!"

Why? she's legal!"


Oh the sweet naiveite of 1997 where does the time go?

 

[Life is Hell...]

Inside Job is finally out for anyone interested in watching it

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As a sort of continuation of this comment, i ended up binging this show for myself, and it was actually somewhat decent.
But there was one more thing i noticed that i obviously can't let slip by.... And that was one of the writers of this show being a certain infamous comic book writer and i'll give you a hint.

He created two of the worst Superheroes of all time, and is a friend of Zoe Quinn...

Edit: Might as well give the answer anyways since it's pretty obvious

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Fuck....

 

[Diskunut45]

Western animation desperately needs another John K figure (Preferably one who's not a pedo) to lead the industry into another revolution. It's sad how many modern animation behind the scenes horror stories i hear that reflect the ones from the 70s and 80s nearly 1:1, especially in adult animation

 

[Coolio55]

Western animation desperately needs another John K figure (Preferably one who's not a pedo) to lead the industry into another revolution. It's sad how many modern animation behind the scenes horror stories i hear that reflect the ones from the 70s and 80s nearly 1:1, especially in adult animation
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All media needs a fucking JohnK at this point. Try finding me a medium that HASN'T stagnated.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Even if he wasn't a pedo, if you got a John K. figure you'd have a guy who was an utter tyrant to everyone below him, never got anything done, burned all his bridges...

You don't want that guy. You want the conditions the industry is in to change.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Mandy: It's no use grim, I can't understand a word this guy on the phone is saying.

Grim: He said, "if we're talking about the new interns, we can find them in the cafeteria.

Mandy: You understood what he was saying?

Grim: Not really, but I'm pretty good at reading subtitles backwards.

 

[starborn427614]

Even if he wasn't a pedo, if you got a John K. figure you'd have a guy who was an utter tyrant to everyone below him, never got anything done, burned all his bridges...

You don't want that guy. You want the conditions the industry is in to change.

Better working conditions and more diverse types of show would help too. It's either comedies or action with little in-between.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Squidward: Sponge we've gotta eat something!
SpongeBob: I heard in times of hardship the pioneers would eat coral.

*Squidward starts to eat a piece of it like crazy*

SpongeBob: No maybe it wasn't coral, Maybe it was sand..no no mud!

*Squid spits it out while Spongebob talks*

Squidiward: Gimime the Pizza!

SpongeBob: Wait I remember now it was coral!

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Whatever Happened To Robot Jones? is still a sweet and under appreciated cartoon.