Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

[guccigash]

I'm still too weak and scared to try a deadlift. I have no one to teach me and I'm pretty confident I will damage the living hell out of my back

Can you get a trainer for a couple of sessions to get your skills and confidence up, or even ask one in your gym to show you? Then keep watching YT videos and start with some low weights, work your way up? It's such an amazing addition to a work out, I saw great benefits (got into fitness in my 20s after being a at kid and a boozy college student).

I was scared too, but did those things and now have some great videos now of me dead lifting 110kgs plus which is pretty OK for someone of the fairer sex. More than OK given my height/weight TBH. Elite.

Of course then I got in a serious health related situation (not my fault!) and ended up WEIGHING over 100kgs, lost 30kg of it in 2018 and 2019 has been keto and getting my groove back beyond just cardio and the first thing I got my technique back for (through getting help from staff at the gym and a couple of paid for sessions) was deadlifting......

 

[TrippinKahlua]

AT the gym right now. Attempting to start doing Cleans again. Messed my shoulder up bad last time I did those so I been off for a couple months. Oh wells just 25 lbs on each side, start light.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Just a general question; I haven't been hitting the gym as much as I would have liked these past few months. I could only go once or twice a week at most. I'm not sure what I should do about my diet. Should I still keep eating more or should I hold off until I know I can work out more? Because I don't want to eat a lot of stuff for a whole week and not exercise at all.

 

[betterbullocks]

I took a weightlifting class with my uni for PE credits and I think it was a good idea overall but my diets gone to shit. While I've visibly gained a good amount of muscle mass, I also went from 14% BF to 16.4% in a semester. What do you all usually gain during your average bulk? I'm really new to all of this btw so I'm definitely enjoying those newbie gains

 

[thejackal]

Just a general question; I haven't been hitting the gym as much as I would have liked these past few months. I could only go once or twice a week at most. I'm not sure what I should do about my diet. Should I still keep eating more or should I hold off until I know I can work out more? Because I don't want to eat a lot of stuff for a whole week and not exercise at all.

If you're trying to gain muscle and think you can be disciplined enough to do a cut then keep eating. Very hard to gain muscle when eating at a deficit or break even.

@Recon some of them use supplements that might show up on the banned substance list for a sanctioned competition. Most of them tho just have a lot of caffeine and that gets you going. I just like black coffee personally and a bit of creatine powder here and there.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Set a new PR for my deadlift tonight of 309. I'm super proud, it's been a goal of mine to break 300 on my deadlift for a while.

I think my next goal will be 350.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

I wish I had more time to Squat. Working for tourism doesn't help you make a lot of gains, especially since you are always standing up and moving around, burning calories while you're at it.

I made it to the gym today but I am always lucky to get 40 mins of gym time. I gotta be on the ferry at 3:30.

I am still trying and a 155 lbs Bench Presss may be doable, but my body weight gains are still utterly minimal.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

Starting to do canditos program and its really fun. About to enter week 3 and am pretty excited. If youve stalled out on linear programs like stronglifts you might want to try out a periodized program like this. Even if you dont see tremendous increases in performance its alot of fun if youre getting bored of doing same 5x5 every workout.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What's all this I hear about shady pre-workout drinks?

About a decade ago, DMAA started to get used in pre-workouts. DMAA is some hardcore shit. Makes you feel good and like you can lift anything. It's not a far compound from meth. It got banned by the FDA and is illegal (https://www.fda.gov/food/dietary-su...ts/dmaa-products-marketed-dietary-supplements). However, some preworkouts still contain it anyway because most supplement companies don't give a fuck. It's powerful shit, but it's sketchy shit. The original Jack3d had it. I didn't know about it at the time, but happened to buy it. That shit works, but it's addicting.

Supplements in generally are shady, though. If you are stupid enough to take a preworkout with DMAA and 400 mg of caffeine, I can't feel too bad for you if something bad happens to you. A guy at my gym developed a heart flutter from taking 1000 mg of caffeine worth of pre-workout before he lifted.

I am just a pussy who uses half a scoop of C4 though.

 

[Recoil]

About a decade ago, DMAA started to get used in pre-workouts. DMAA is some hardcore shit. Makes you feel good and like you can lift anything. It's not a far compound from meth. It got banned by the FDA. However, some preworkouts still contain it. It's powerful shit, but it's sketchy shit. The original Jack3d had it. I didn't know about it at the time, but happened to buy it. That shit works, but it's addicting.

Supplements in generally are shady, though. If you are stupid enough to take a preworkout with DMAA and 400 mg of caffeine, I can't feel too bad for you if something bad happens to you. A guy at my gym developed a heart flutter from taking 1000 mg of caffeine worth of pre-workout before he lifted.

I am just a pussy who uses half a scoop of C4 though.

Honestly, I've been afraid of preworkout shit for years. I mean, lifting is hard enough. Running is hard enough. I don't need to feel like I'm coming down off coke on top of it. I got a wee flutter in my chest from the shit 8 years ago and I haven't much fucked with it since.
DMAA, I remember that! That's the name of the chemical I was thinking about. Thanks.
IIRC a number of odd drugs have made the rounds with lifters. I've heard guys swear by Kratom, Phenibut, PEA & I heard coked up lifting used to be a thing. TBH I feel like the real struggle of lifting is in your mind. Pain is one thing, suffering is another. By drugging ourselves up we forgo the pain of discipline. Same thing with Adderall & the study buddies. It's like autopilot.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Honestly, I've been afraid of preworkout shit for years. I mean, lifting is hard enough. Running is hard enough. I don't need to feel like I'm coming down off coke on top of it. I got a wee flutter in my chest from the shit 8 years ago and I haven't much fucked with it since.
DMAA, I remember that! That's the name of the chemical I was thinking about. Thanks.
IIRC a number of odd drugs have made the rounds with lifters. I've heard guys swear by Kratom, Phenibut, PEA & I heard coked up lifting used to be a thing. TBH I feel like the real struggle of lifting is in your mind. Pain is one thing, suffering is another. By drugging ourselves up we forgo the pain of discipline. Same thing with Adderall & the study buddies. It's like autopilot.

I agree. There's so many shady supplement companies out there. Blackstone Labs being the most famous of the recent ones, but there's other similar ones out there. If you do go for a pre-workout, just remember that it's likely caffeine is the only ingredient that does anything (unless there's DMAA involved). I like C4 because it's only 150 mg/caffeine per scoop and tastes pretty good, so I can down half a scoop and not have to worry about making a coffee. C4 also doesn't have any sketchy ingredients listed.

SARMs and prohormones are other things that are stupid. At that point, just run a damn test or tren cycle. It's safer.

 

[Recoil]

I agree. There's so many shady supplement companies out there. Blackstone Labs being the most famous of the recent ones, but there's other similar ones out there. If you do go for a pre-workout, just remember that it's likely caffeine is the only ingredient that does anything (unless there's DMAA involved). I like C4 because it's only 150 mg/caffeine per scoop and tastes pretty good, so I can down half a scoop and not have to worry about making a coffee. C4 also doesn't have any sketchy ingredients listed.

SARMs and prohormones are other things that are stupid. At that point, just run a damn test or tren cycle. It's safer.

The best pre-workout is a burning desire to unseat kings, burn their cities and hear the lamentations of their women as they are driven before you like cattle.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

The best pre-workout is a burning desire to unseat kings, burn their cities and hear the lamentations of their women as they are driven before you like cattle.

My best days are on no pre workout or caffeine pills. A monster or coffee or even just water and just being excited for the workout is way better. Hit 295 for 4 and felt real solid. Pretty stoked, pretty sure I could have done 5 or 6 no problem. Trying to force myself excited through chemicals usually doesnt work for me. I overdosed on caffeine pills a while ago, took like 15 or more and now im hyper sensitive to the pills. Took one during my lunch break at work and was jittery as fuck the rest of the day. I usually drink 4 cups of coffee and a monster or two a day and it usually does nothing.

What does frying your nervous system mean exactly? I thought squats/deadlifts were overall good/stimulating for your nervous system? What tangible effects would this have on someone through their week exactly?

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

What does frying your nervous system mean exactly? I thought squats/deadlifts were overall good/stimulating for your nervous system? What tangible effects would this have on someone through their week exactly?

Wikipedia to the rescue.

Central nervous system fatigue - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Central nervous system fatigue, or central fatigue, is a form of fatigue that is associated with changes in the synaptic concentration of neurotransmitters within the central nervous system (CNS; including the brain and spinal cord) which affects exercise performance and muscle function and cannot be explained by peripheral factors that affect muscle function.[1][2][3][4] In healthy individuals, central fatigue can occur from prolonged exercise and is associated with neurochemical changes in the brain, primarily involving serotonin (5-HT), noradrenaline, and dopamine.[2][3][4] Central fatigue plays an important role in endurance sports and also highlights the importance of proper nutrition in endurance athletes.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

Wikipedia to the rescue.

Central nervous system fatigue - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I guess I was curious because it sounds like it affects not only your workouts for the rest of the week or however long it takes to recover but also your day to day life. I already had a horrible time trying to concentrate but was trying to see if there is any correlation to something like that.

Hit 350 today on squat. Wasn't the prettiest but it came up pretty quick. So I just need a 450 deadlift and a 200 bench and I hit my 1,000 lb total. Pretty excited. Been doing this shit for a little over a year, sticking to programs staying kind of low weight, staying away from anything too heavy, staying safe and focusing on form. It has been fun finally testing out 1 rep maximums. I think its been like 4 or 5 months since I last did 335 and it was uglier than the 350 I did today.

Did bar x5, 135x5, 225x5, 275x2, 315x1, 335x1, 350x1
I thought I was gonna have to do 345 or 355 since I couldnt find 2.5 lb plates but I ended up finding them in my rack. I swear they were the only two in the gym.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

My best days are on no pre workout or caffeine pills. A monster or coffee or even just water and just being excited for the workout is way better. Hit 295 for 4 and felt real solid. Pretty stoked, pretty sure I could have done 5 or 6 no problem. Trying to force myself excited through chemicals usually doesnt work for me. I overdosed on caffeine pills a while ago, took like 15 or more and now im hyper sensitive to the pills. Took one during my lunch break at work and was jittery as fuck the rest of the day. I usually drink 4 cups of coffee and a monster or two a day and it usually does nothing.

What does frying your nervous system mean exactly? I thought squats/deadlifts were overall good/stimulating for your nervous system? What tangible effects would this have on someone through their week exactly?

The active ingredient in pre-workout is generally just caffeine (DMAA too if it has it, which most don't anymore). Monster has about the same caffeine as a cup of coffee, which is about half of most preworkouts (although the amount varies depending on the dose).

15 caffeine pills? Jesus christ.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

The active ingredient in pre-workout is generally just caffeine (DMAA too if it has it, which most don't anymore). Monster has about the same caffeine as a cup of coffee, which is about half of most preworkouts (although the amount varies depending on the dose).

15 caffeine pills? Jesus christ.

Yeah it was worse than any hangover from alcohol ive ever had. PWO is OK but it makes me need to shit pretty badly. Not fun when youre in the gym. I was binging some PoE and with how busy the week is I really wanted to get some serious time in.

Hit 450 on deadlift yesterday and with my 350 squat I just need a 200 bench and I hit my 1,000 lb total. Im pretty happy. Cant wait to deload next week and start over. Ended up doing 225x5,315x5,385x2,405x1, failed at 455. Then started back over at 425x1, 445x1, 450x1.

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

I guess I was curious because it sounds like it affects not only your workouts for the rest of the week or however long it takes to recover but also your day to day life. I already had a horrible time trying to concentrate but was trying to see if there is any correlation to something like that.

Hit 350 today on squat. Wasn't the prettiest but it came up pretty quick. So I just need a 450 deadlift and a 200 bench and I hit my 1,000 lb total. Pretty excited. Been doing this shit for a little over a year, sticking to programs staying kind of low weight, staying away from anything too heavy, staying safe and focusing on form. It has been fun finally testing out 1 rep maximums. I think its been like 4 or 5 months since I last did 335 and it was uglier than the 350 I did today.

Did bar x5, 135x5, 225x5, 275x2, 315x1, 335x1, 350x1
I thought I was gonna have to do 345 or 355 since I couldnt find 2.5 lb plates but I ended up finding them in my rack. I swear they were the only two in the gym.

DIY microloading to the rescue.

http://www.diystrengthtraining.com/...ining/microloading-fractional-plate-homemade/

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

DIY microloading to the rescue.

http://www.diystrengthtraining.com/...ining/microloading-fractional-plate-homemade/

Lol thats pretty extreme. Im happy with just 5 lb increments.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Yeah it was worse than any hangover from alcohol ive ever had. PWO is OK but it makes me need to shit pretty badly. Not fun when youre in the gym. I was binging some PoE and with how busy the week is I really wanted to get some serious time in.

Hit 450 on deadlift yesterday and with my 350 squat I just need a 200 bench and I hit my 1,000 lb total. Im pretty happy. Cant wait to deload next week and start over. Ended up doing 225x5,315x5,385x2,405x1, failed at 455. Then started back over at 425x1, 445x1, 450x1.

PWO makes me have to crap, too. I take it and then crap at home, then leave for the gym. I am lucky and live about a 5 minute drive in the worst traffic conditions from my gym