Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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-recommends no arch bench (increases risk on shoulders) and skipping the bottom part of the lift (the most important part of the lift for pecs)
It's also a great way to tear your pec. If you normally stop 2 inches above your chest and then go down a bit lower than that with heavier weight than your chest can handle, that's a recipe for a tear

Not really controversial, it's pretty agreed on that most, if not all of the youtube fitness gurus are scammers and fake natty.
If they were to keep it real, it wouldn't be as interesting. Because what works is often the most simple and boring solutions. You see this in life hack videos too, a lot of the shit they show clearly doesn't work IRL.
Yep. Assume every Youtube fitness guru is on something and peddling bullshit. Jeff Nippard is the one I dislike the most. Fake natty but then peddles "science based training", which is just "oh do x sets of this of y reps, then z sets of this at x reps, etc..." and hides behind that as if even scientifically perfect training would result in a huge difference from imperfect training. Also, everyone is different. What works for one person won't necessarily work as well for someone else. For example, weighted dips work great for some people. For others, they don't work as well as barbell bench press.

Lifting is really not that hard. There's a bazillion programs out there and they all will yield very similar results as long as you aren't a complete idiot. Obviously doing like 100 reps of the bar isn't going to get your bench press stronger, but 5/3/1 vs 5x5 vs whatever other program are going to yield very similar results over the long term. No matter what program you do, no matter your diet, you aren't going to gain more muscle than your natural limit. You also won't gain 25 lb of lean muscle a year as a natty no matter what you do
 
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The gym where the incident took place was shouted out by user @goob_u2 (he makes other content calling out fitness industry bullshit). They had posted a reel showing their members squatting:
Holy shit, how many of those people are going below 90 degrees on the way down and straightening their knees at the top? RIP knees, I'm always super picky about form and that reel was distilled, unadulterated cringe to me.

I'm new to the thread, so sorry if I'm posting shit that people have posted several times but, my favorite technique for muscle growth is thus: 12 x 10 x 8 reps, while upping the weight by 5 each set, possibly 10 if squats. I don't even lift with a lot of weight, but if I can do 5-10 sets of those, while ending on more weight than I started, I feel a distinct increase in strength and endurance. Learned that a long time ago and it's been my go-to since it really works.

Don't even focus on the amount of weight you put up, focus on form. The moment you start cheating your form is the moment you need to drop the weight and build a stronger foundation, all the way through your sets, on every rep, with no excuses.
 
Also the cadence and rhythm how he does it, he's not moving huge weights (so ZERO ego lifting), but goes for max contraction and max stretching, on every rep. This is something that I try to do and while it definitely works, it makes the workout much harder. Never forget to handle the right weight, properly.

This is really one of the keys to gains imo. It's not like I'm huge or anything, I'm a solid intermediate weight lifter, but huge guys seem to agree. Check your ego at the door, compare yourself only to yourself from the last workout, and be slow and methodical to build muscle control "mind to muscle connection". I have worked out with friends through college and my career who could lift significantly less when working out with me and trying my way because I go slower and don't go easy on the eccentric. Lifting carefully is important if you are doing it with a focus on your long term health, this guy who died squatting was trying for 400lbs... That's an intermediate squat and isn't a dangerous amount of weight if you're strong enough for it, it's not like he was doing 800lbs which is dangerous no matter who you are.
 
Well it was official over a week ago but I finally healed my back up enough to get my squat numbers and make it super duper official. Hit the 1000 pound club for power lifting.

275 bench
395 deadlift
355 squat.

Feels good man
 
Well after about 2 months of doing full body workouts my coach felt I was ready to progress to a four workout upper/posterior split. Did the upper A workout yesterday and I can definitely feel the difference. I was a little down on myself because while I was able to progress on Bench press, I had to lower the weight I was doing on barrel press. I had never done the BP following bench before and the added fatigue meant I couldn't handle as much weight, but in retrospect it makes sense.

I'm starting to really enjoy pushing myself hard in the gym and even the fatigue/soreness afterwards. I really wish I had gotten into lifting when I was younger but at least I'm not so old that I can't progress, even if I am old enough I'll never find out what my maximum potential could have been.
 
I'm starting to really enjoy pushing myself hard in the gym and even the fatigue/soreness afterwards. I really wish I had gotten into lifting when I was younger but at least I'm not so old that I can't progress, even if I am old enough I'll never find out what my maximum potential could have been.
I will never stop talking about how good it is to become physically stronger, no matter your age. I didn't start lifting until I was in my early 30s. Don't let regrets impede your forward progress. A note about something I've mentioned before: I stated that one should become obsessed with the process. "Obsession" is the incorrect term. It's merely commitment.

Jump in with both feet. Who gives a fuck if the water is deep and scary? Don't ever forget that your mental training is coinciding with your physical. Growth of the type we want doesn't happen if we don't commit, if we're unwilling to move forward even though we're uncertain. Walking the path reveals more of the map. You'll see.

Also, push toward overtraining. I don't mean intentionally injure yourself with shit form or something. I'm talking about going well past what you think is safe. I encourage you to do this because 1) your body is capable of so much more than you can imagine, and I don't mean in a "adrenaline-pumping-hard-I'm-gonna-die-if-I-don't" type of situation, and 2) you need to see it firsthand to let go of those imaginary limits.
 
I will never stop talking about how good it is to become physically stronger, no matter your age. I didn't start lifting until I was in my early 30s. Don't let regrets impede your forward progress.

Yeah, Im 45. Like I said Im enjoying it. Just wish I had started earlier. Like Socrates said "It's a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the strength and beauty his body is capable of" Fortunately I still have time.


A note about something I've mentioned before: I stated that one should become obsessed with the process. "Obsession" is the incorrect term. It's merely commitment.

Jump in with both feet. Who gives a fuck if the water is deep and scary? Don't ever forget that your mental training is coinciding with your physical. Growth of the type we want doesn't happen if we don't commit, if we're unwilling to move forward even though we're uncertain. Walking the path reveals more of the map. You'll see.


I already am. Even after only a couple months Im noticing changes, both physically and mentally.


Also, push toward overtraining. I don't mean intentionally injure yourself with shit form or something. I'm talking about going well past what you think is safe. I encourage you to do this because 1) your body is capable of so much more than you can imagine, and I don't mean in a "adrenaline-pumping-hard-I'm-gonna-die-if-I-don't" type of situation, and 2) you need to see it firsthand to let go of those imaginary limits.
I push myself harder every time I hit the gym. Im starting to enjoy that part too.
 
Just got home from 2 week vacation and I'm pumped to hit the gym first thing tomorrow8). Ive missed it... I did some bodyweight stuff and lots of biking but it wasn't the same.

I was with friends and family and we ate a bunch of (really good) food so im honestly looking fluffier:roll:nothing too crazy but my abs are less defined for sure. I'm going away again in like four days but for now I'll lift and go back to my normal diet or go on a mini cut or whatever
 
Egolifter nearly kills himself in Brazil:
What you're looking for is a man in a gray tank-top sitting on top of a hack squat machine's pedestal.

150 kilos fell right on his back. He immediately fainted. He's undergone a 4-hour surgery and is said to have "less than a 1% chance of regaining control of his legs".
I don't think it's known exactly what caused the machine to do this. It's possible that either the lock malfunctioned or that he didn't engage the lock properly. The gym has stated that the machine was brand new and working perfectly.

Additional footage from before the incident can be seen in this report, and also an excruciating X-ray of his spine:

From this you can see that he was half-repping the exercise, and yet decided to add more weight after that set. A lot of things went wrong here to lead to this. Very unlucky, and possibly not his fault if it the machine was faulty, but I'm willing to call this a Darwin Award. Disrespecting gym equipment is like playing with guns.
 
His spotter was retarded for trying to curl the fucking bar up. He bears like half the responsibility though he's clearly not criminally culpable. Did everything wrong for that lift, from the lack of safeties to the stance change for spotting to trying a PR he was clearly unprepared for.

That fuckin' retard spotter should have been up for a Darwin award as well. The squat is not a team exercise. Why is he grinding on the squatter's ass and grabbing the bar while he's squatting? That'll fuck up your form.

The only safe way for people to spot a squat is one person on each end of the bar. There's no way one person can do anything with a 400 lb bar if things go bad. They'd have to pull it horizontally to get it off the person and that's one hell of a harder thing to do than pulling it vertically.
 
I've been working with a trainer for a month now, I can't afford more sessions but I'm very glad I had the ones I did. I have a solid routine I can use moving forward for a long time.

I love leg day. Love it. I can't squat 90 degrees, but I think I'm getting better. I have increased the weights on the leg curl machine twice now, went from 40 pounds to 60 pounds yesterday. The leg extension machine I've gone from 30 pounds to 50 yesterday for the last set. 50 was a bit hard, but not too hard.

I don't like upper body day that much. The routine is fine, challenging but not hard. I just don't find it as much fun. The endorphins are still great though. I think it's because there's so much more to remember, hold your hands like this, now like that, don't stand too close to the cable machine but don't stand too far away. No increases in weights here, only on my legs. I'm doing ten pounds for dumbbell presses, and a whopping 3 on shoulder exercises. Wow. (Lol)

Legs are easy in comparison, even if I'm still getting sore the next day.

I did the InBody scale two weeks ago. In a month it said I gained 3.8 pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat. The scale went up about eight pounds, but I did it at a different time of day. The scale at home had gone up a bit too, but it's started coming down again. I'm now a pound less than I started a month ago and an inch down in my waist. And I feel amazing. Can't get to sleep, but I've always had trouble sleeping.

I still hate cardio, but I want to fast walk a 5K at Christmas. It's just boring and drags on. We'll see if I do enough training to get where I want to be speed wise by then. They say telling people you want to do something has the same rush as actually doing it.
 
I've been working with a trainer for a month now, I can't afford more sessions but I'm very glad I had the ones I did. I have a solid routine I can use moving forward for a long time.
I understand Stephanie Buttermore has a decent channel for women's lifting stuff on YouTube as well. Can keep learning and trying new things as you progress, trying new lifts and working different programs is half the fun.
I love leg day. Love it. I can't squat 90 degrees, but I think I'm getting better. I have increased the weights on the leg curl machine twice now, went from 40 pounds to 60 pounds yesterday. The leg extension machine I've gone from 30 pounds to 50 yesterday for the last set. 50 was a bit hard, but not too hard.
Just keep challenging yourself and look for the stance that lets you hit parallel when you squat. Do you do any deadlifts or Romanian deadlifts? Great exercises for the hamstrings and butt. Also, women in my gym seem to enjoy the hip thrust exercise, women tend to be lower body dominant and it plays to their strengths.
I don't like upper body day that much. The routine is fine, challenging but not hard. I just don't find it as much fun. The endorphins are still great though. I think it's because there's so much more to remember, hold your hands like this, now like that, don't stand too close to the cable machine but don't stand too far away. No increases in weights here, only on my legs. I'm doing ten pounds for dumbbell presses, and a whopping 3 on shoulder exercises. Wow. (Lol)

Legs are easy in comparison, even if I'm still getting sore the next day.
That should basically stop within a few weeks, DOMS is usually a result from a new workout on less trained muscles or heavy use. Even on days I hit a new PR I don't get DOMS the next day just feel wiped.

Keep challenging yourself on upper body. and look up freeweight exercises. Less finicky than the cable situation youre describing. There's a lot of variations to try, and the improvements in your physique from working it hard are worth it.
I still hate cardio, but I want to fast walk a 5K at Christmas. It's just boring and drags on. We'll see if I do enough training to get where I want to be speed wise by then. They say telling people you want to do something has the same rush as actually doing it.
Easiest way I found to increase my cardio is adding a minute every day or other day. A minutes nothing! Can sprint for a minute if you really try. Start at 5 as a warmup and keep working your way up. 5 minutes is one song, maybe 2.

Either way keep it up
 
Egolifter nearly kills himself in Brazil:
What you're looking for is a man in a gray tank-top sitting on top of a hack squat machine's pedestal.
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150 kilos fell right on his back. He immediately fainted. He's undergone a 4-hour surgery and is said to have "less than a 1% chance of regaining control of his legs".
I don't think it's known exactly what caused the machine to do this. It's possible that either the lock malfunctioned or that he didn't engage the lock properly. The gym has stated that the machine was brand new and working perfectly.

Additional footage from before the incident can be seen in this report, and also an excruciating X-ray of his spine:

From this you can see that he was half-repping the exercise, and yet decided to add more weight after that set. A lot of things went wrong here to lead to this. Very unlucky, and possibly not his fault if it the machine was faulty, but I'm willing to call this a Darwin Award. Disrespecting gym equipment is like playing with guns.
Those half reps hurt my eyes to watch. But it looks like he didn't fully engage the lock. I would side with user error on this one
 
Those half reps hurt my eyes to watch. But it looks like he didn't fully engage the lock. I would side with user error on this one
Poor bastard, I've fucked up setting up machines many times but never on anything like a hack squat, and half the time it's poorly maintained equipment with shitty locks. Do a leg curl, I do it like normal and adjust the bar down to the setting for my legs, adjust the pad to my ankles, and then boom, the thing pops off when I apply force in the middle of a rep. What're you gonna do, ideas like statistical quality control are simply not possible in a world with Chinese people and assorted turd worlders making shit. They're too dorky for Americans, and Japanese people hate life, so they can't make everything.

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Look at this poor bastard, he couldn't squat before, he sure as shit isn't squatting now, and now he's in a bed doubting if he was the problem or the chink lock.
 
Just keep challenging yourself and look for the stance that lets you hit parallel when you squat. Do you do any deadlifts or Romanian deadlifts? Great exercises for the hamstrings and butt. Also, women in my gym seem to enjoy the hip thrust exercise, women tend to be lower body dominant and it plays to their strengths.
I don't know what deadlifts are, so no. According to the InBody scale my upper arms are rated for 111% of daily use requirements for my age, but my legs are only at 89%. I've lost a hundred pounds and my guess is that I lost a lot of muscle in my legs along with the fat. The two main reasons I started lifting now are for good mobility in my later years and to prevent more muscle loss while I lose the rest of the excess fat.

When I squat I feel like if I go down any further I won't be able to stand up again. Not without dropping the kettle bell, probably on my foot! My trainer had me doing some pull-down exercise for my back on the cable machine, but I can't get up off the tiny, super low seat to put the bar back up without a big crash. I just don't have the strength in my thighs right now.

That should basically stop within a few weeks, DOMS is usually a result from a new workout on less trained muscles or heavy use. Even on days I hit a new PR I don't get DOMS the next day just feel wiped.
I wonder if it's because I have so little muscle in my thighs. It's getting better, but I still have some DOMS from my workout Monday.
 
When I squat I feel like if I go down any further I won't be able to stand up again. Not without dropping the kettle bell, probably on my foot! My trainer had me doing some pull-down exercise for my back on the cable machine, but I can't get up off the tiny, super low seat to put the bar back up without a big crash. I just don't have the strength in my thighs right now.
With pulldowns I just stand up after I complete the last concentric (once you've pulled it down) without letting go of the bar. I'm a little taller than average so it works out I guess better.

You can do bodyweight squats, right? Can you break parallel when you're doing those? If you're squatting with a wide stance, getting ass to grass will be a pain. You can improve your ankle mobility also to help get there. One stretch I do, I shift my weight onto one leg, and bend my knee forward, trying to get it to reach say, a wall, or a post. After I get a deep stretch there, hopefully reaching that point I set, I shift my foot back an inch or two and repeat. Should feel a deep, deep stretch in that Achilles tendon. Helped me a lot with my squat, since I do a low bar wide stance squat, I break at the ankles first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtX8GGbDCuc Here is a decent video from Alan Thrall and Austin Baraki, who is a squat coach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBbyAqvTNkU This is a video about the deadlift. You lift a bar up from a dead stop, driving first with your legs and then with your butt and back. Romanian deadlifts are similar, but focus on a different part of it mechanically. With the RDL You let the bar travel past your knees, and then pull it up from there, focusing on hinging at your hips. Deadlifts are an incredibly useful exercise that builds power in your butt, the back of your legs, grip, and back. Helpful for just about any particular physical activity. It's the lift most lifters can move the most weight doing.

I wonder if it's because I have so little muscle in my thighs. It's getting better, but I still have some DOMS from my workout Monday.
Yeah, they're just unused to work! It'll pass if you're consistent over a few months. Unless you can't physically move, DOMS is never a good reason to skip a workout.
 
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