Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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Kiwis, roast my program. I want to know what suggestions you might have
I intend to stick with it for the month of feb, and then I'll take a deload in week 4 if needed. Otherwise, I'll select new exercises and continue on in march.

Typically do a Wenning-style warmup at the start of every session, 2 sets, 25 reps each of 2-3 exercises selected to warm up the prime movers, movement patterns and weak links of each workout. For a lower body day, for example, it might be back extensions and cossack squats, for upper body it might be pushups, facepulls and tricep extensions.

Also, i tend to go a lil maximalist on upper body days and minimalist on lower body days (fatigue)
Upper body
Major movements

Incline bench press
Lat pulldown/Pull ups
Accessory
Kroc row (will do bent over rows instead if lower back doesnt get raped by leg day)
JM press
Upright row
Because I know I won't do it on leg day:
Calf raises

Lower body
Major Movements

Romanian deadlift to below knee
Bulgarian Split Squats
Accessory
Decline situps
Sitting ham curl
Leg press (more quad volume, no spinal strain)
It's not bad really as far as I can tell. Your shoulders are the only thing you're missing really.

I'd swap the upright row for (relatively high volume, like 8-10 reps at 75%) OHP or a combo of (very high volume) lat raises and bent-over rear delt flyes or facepulls. You're really hitting your front delts well with incline bench. Unless your front delts are really lagging, I'd be thinking about how to develop the rest of the shoulder complex better. Are you doing weighted pullups? Considering dips at all? What's your volume and weight on calf raises, btw?

You could throw in weighted glutes/ham raises on a GHD bench as accessories/extra volume for your glutes and hams, really blast em, or just add in cable pullthroughs, which are one of the funniest movements in the gym as far as I'm concerned, but nothing else will blast your ass as well. If your goal is to isolate your quads, why not leg extensions? You can keep up the isolation work with them and do some really high volume, punishing work with them. One tip I heard was to do the first 75% of the set with a 1 sec (or so) pause at the top of the concentric, and then carry through with momentum for the rest of the set on these isolation/machine exercises. For your hamstring curls, what's your volume on those? I do them prone, but for the first part of the set I prop myself up on my elbows instead of laying on the bench, then go fully prone once I'm at exhaustion, usually at about 15 reps. How do they feel? I wasn't enjoying them as much treating them like a compound movement with about 5-8 reps at high weight, but when I switched to a high rep low weight and doing the not-fully-prone/prone split inside the set, I found I was REALLY exhausting my hammies and getting that feeling I wanted.

What are your goals for your program in particular? Strength? Hypertrophy? Specific body parts? Why split squats? I'm not a programming expert or anything, but this does seem to target some areas specifically.
 
SARMS is the current fear porn. Of course it's going to fuck you up if you cycle it wrong, and the dude doesn't even show natty people as "successful natty lifters". Jeff Nippard isn't natty and the More Plates More Dates-dude is very experienced in PED's and has tried SARMS and reviewed them. Dunno who the others are, but I doubt they're natty. Anyway, of course they are going to flat out say that SARMS are bad. Because if people cycle it more, they they risk more people catching on to their bs. And therefore losing revenue.
Can't risk their pay check, oh no no no

 
SARMS is the current fear porn. Of course it's going to fuck you up if you cycle it wrong, and the dude doesn't even show natty people as "successful natty lifters". Jeff Nippard isn't natty and the More Plates More Dates-dude is very experienced in PED's and has tried SARMS and reviewed them. Dunno who the others are, but I doubt they're natty. Anyway, of course they are going to flat out say that SARMS are bad. Because if people cycle it more, they they risk more people catching on to their bs. And therefore losing revenue.
Can't risk their pay check, oh no no no

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dnIPBOnl4iQ
I cannot fathom why you would want to go down the roidtranny route. It's a crude hedonism where you castrate yourself, you sacrifice your indepedance as a man by becoming physically dependent on hard drugs for instant gratification. Natural bodybuilding is superior, both in terms of aesthetics, health, and fitness. Dude aren't you still skinny? Haven't you been training for like a year or something? You certainly haven't hit your "natty limit" (doesn't exist), why are you even thinking about this? Btw, SARMS are not some magic tranny pill that's gonna turn you into a true gorl with all the benefits of steroids but none of the downsides, it's still steroids dude. You're still cucking your own hormone production with industrial pharmaceutical "research chemicals".
 
I cannot fathom why you would want to go down the roidtranny route. It's a crude hedonism where you castrate yourself
Not true if you know how to cycle it and do PCT.
you sacrifice your indepedance as a man by becoming physically dependent on hard drugs for instant gratification.
"Muh pride as a man"
Natural bodybuilding is superior, both in terms of aesthetics, health, and fitness.
I don't like the look of roid muscles either, and roid users shit on SARMS for not being as "effective". And got about the same side effects.
Dude aren't you still skinny?
In terms of the big people who lift in this thread, sure.
Haven't you been training for like a year or something? (doesn't exist), why are you even thinking about this?
I kinda give a shit about the "muh pride" in terms of being natty?
Btw, SARMS are not some magic tranny pill that's gonna turn you into a true gorl with all the benefits of steroids but none of the downsides, it's still steroids dude. You're still cucking your own hormone production with industrial pharmaceutical "research chemicals".
It has more side effects than just regulating hormones, but you would know this. If you actually looked into it, instead of bashing it like retarded normies do. Because they don't know any better, and refuse to learn.
 
Not true if you know how to cycle it and do PCT.
>"heh, I'll just more drugs (that surely don't have any side effects!) to counteract the first drugs!"
I don't like the look of roid muscles either, and roid users shit on SARMS for not being as "effective". And got about the same side effects.
Great, don't do them then.
I kinda give a shit about the "muh pride" in terms of being natty?
You mean you don't give a shit? My point was that it's retarded and pathetic for a DYEL to jump on roids one year in. Nigger, you hardly even look like you lift yet, what's the point? Any gains you'll get you could've gotten normally, staying natty. Even roiders say that IF you're gonna hop on steroids, you do so after at least a couple years. C'mon here, what is this? If you feel the need for roids while still in the newbie phase and constantly improving, you're truly fucked. Nothing to do with natty pride.
 
You mean you don't give a shit? My point was that it's retarded and pathetic for a DYEL to jump on roids one year in. Nigger, you hardly even look like you lift yet, what's the point? Any gains you'll get you could've gotten normally, staying natty. Even roiders say that IF you're gonna hop on steroids, you do so after at least a couple years. C'mon here, what is this? If you feel the need for roids while still in the newbie phase and constantly improving, you're truly fucked. Nothing to do with natty pride.
Oh, sorry. I didn’t know I had to docunent my whole fucking life here. You’re aware I worked out before I joined the farms. Surprising, I know.
 
Hey man, thanks for taking the time to read my post and dissect it.
It's not bad really as far as I can tell. Your shoulders are the only thing you're missing really.

I'd swap the upright row for (relatively high volume, like 8-10 reps at 75%) OHP or a combo of (very high volume) lat raises and bent-over rear delt flyes or facepulls. You're really hitting your front delts well with incline bench. Unless your front delts are really lagging, I'd be thinking about how to develop the rest of the shoulder complex better.
I was under the impression that Upright rows was a side delt movement. From that perspective, this program seemed a little more balanced. Also, I'd done facepulls this month (jan 2023) and was somewhat concerned about overuse issues hence me (somewhat reluctantly) NOT doing them this round (will look into rear delt flies anyway). Actually one of the key motives for using incline bench was the fact that my upper chest seems to be lagging and I wanted to hammer that (I have a history of either going pure vertical or pure horizontal with my presses).

Are you doing weighted pullups? Considering dips at all?
I believe I had mentioned an intention to do pullups or lat pulldowns (and by this I mean weighted as is possible). I'd done mainly lat pulldowns this month, for feb if I do them I'm gonna use a different grip/handle. The other thing I wanna do is use a more vertical stance, since apparently my stance was too leaned backward to carry over properly to real pullups (especially weighted) Since gravity prevents you from leaning back so far as opposed to spinal erectors in a lat pulldown (i mean you can probably achieve some with a bent back and putting your shins behind you but not to the same extent as a lat pulldown))
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And as for dips, I've tried them before, and will probably look into them for the next months variation

You could throw in weighted glutes/ham raises on a GHD bench as accessories/extra volume for your glutes and hams, really blast em,
I tried Nordic curls (which seem to be the same thing) a while back and they just felt like pure autism. Maybe it's just because it was a new movement, maybe it's because I'm too used to training them in a stretch position (RDLs, GoodMornings, regular deadlifts etc) but I should look into that.

What's your volume and weight on calf raises, btw?
Standing I do them 1 leg at a time with a 20kg dumbbell, 20 or so reps. Any fewer reps feels autistic.

or just add in cable pullthroughs, which are one of the funniest movements in the gym as far as I'm concerned, but nothing else will blast your ass as well.
Overlooked, will consider. Come to think of it Ive been sleeping on my glutes for too long (PL: I am not a female fitness influencer)

If your goal is to isolate your quads, why not leg extensions? You can keep up the isolation work with them and do some really high volume, punishing work with them. One tip I heard was to do the first 75% of the set with a 1 sec (or so) pause at the top of the concentric, and then carry through with momentum for the rest of the set on these isolation/machine exercises.
Monke brain likes squats lol, but it's worth looking into i suppose

For your hamstring curls, what's your volume on those? I do them prone, but for the first part of the set I prop myself up on my elbows instead of laying on the bench, then go fully prone once I'm at exhaustion, usually at about 15 reps. How do they feel? I wasn't enjoying them as much treating them like a compound movement with about 5-8 reps at high weight, but when I switched to a high rep low weight and doing the not-fully-prone/prone split inside the set, I found I was REALLY exhausting my hammies and getting that feeling I wanted.
I actually tried the same thing as you, low reps but going heavy; and hated it too. Nowadays my sets are closer to 20-30. My gym doesnt have a prone ham curl machine, only seated. I feel like i could "bro-engineer" something with cables or do what (I believe) Eugene Teo recommended, which is to lean back while doing seated ham curls, which i did try once, but it felt autistic (refer to earlier comment on stretch position)

What are your goals for your program in particular? Strength? Hypertrophy? Specific body parts?
Strength. Just trying to put up bigger numbers in my squat, bench, deadlift and weighted pullup, thus the fact that my major compounds all have some carryover to them.

Why split squats? I'm not a programming expert or anything, but this does seem to target some areas specifically.
Split squats because this month I did barbell back squats (some days low bar, some days high bar), and I decided to rotate variations monthly to try keep things interesting and prevent overuse issues (am I being overly paranoid about this? then again westside seems to recommend switching every week).

The other thing I feel is that squats + deadlifts in the same day is pretty murderous on the lower back, and the way I see it Bulgarian squats (or any split squat variation, or lunges) are probably less taxing on the back than barbell front/barbell back/zercher squats because the amount of weight needed to challenge the leg (and hence load on the back) is gonna be less since the back leg basically doesnt move much weight.

Once again, thanks for your post.
 
That's pretty damn impressive. I would be happy hitting 315 for 3, probably never will as I'll come up against the limits of age and can't dedicate the time I once did to lifting.

certainly haven't hit your "natty limit" (doesn't exist)

That's never a factor imo. Weightlifting for some time is guaranteed to reach diminishing returns, people get impatient. It's easiest to get impatient when you are new and really unhappy with how you look. I'm certain almost nobody starting steroids is anywhere near their maximum natural potential because if you waited until you were that far along you'd be in your 30s by the time you started roiding. Young guys aren't waiting that long to get on steroids.
 
That's pretty damn impressive. I would be happy hitting 315 for 3, probably never will as I'll come up against the limits of age and can't dedicate the time I once did to lifting.
How old are you if you don't mind me asking? Also, I find the best way to improve your bench if you hit a wall is not the bench it's self. Shoulder presses, dumbbell presses, inclinde decline bench can help you overcome your wall at any age.
 
How old are you if you don't mind me asking? Also, I find the best way to improve your bench if you hit a wall is not the bench it's self. Shoulder presses, dumbbell presses, inclinde decline bench can help you overcome your wall at any age.
I'm 34 but time is the biggest issue since I am a parent have other hobbies I don't want to give up. My standard routine that I just changed up got me beyond 1/2/3/4 a couple of years ago and I have barely made any progress since. I haven't broken 300lbs for reps yet on bench, and I consider bench an ego lift.
 
I'm 34 but time is the biggest issue since I am a parent have other hobbies I don't want to give up. My standard routine that I just changed up got me beyond 1/2/3/4 a couple of years ago and I have barely made any progress since. I haven't broken 300lbs for reps yet on bench, and I consider bench an ego lift.
Can understand that 100 percent. Bench is an ego lift if your constantly trying to do one rep maxes. Fast way to kill your shoulders for good.
 
SARMS is the current fear porn. Of course it's going to fuck you up if you cycle it wrong, and the dude doesn't even show natty people as "successful natty lifters". Jeff Nippard isn't natty and the More Plates More Dates-dude is very experienced in PED's and has tried SARMS and reviewed them. Dunno who the others are, but I doubt they're natty. Anyway, of course they are going to flat out say that SARMS are bad. Because if people cycle it more, they they risk more people catching on to their bs. And therefore losing revenue.
Can't risk their pay check, oh no no no
Not wrong, but its worth noting that SARMs are a very large classification of drugs. Its just an umbrella term for drugs that are more tissue selective than testosterone so the effects and side effect profiles differ wildly between compounds. Something like RAD-140 is going to shut off your natural testosterone production almost completely and make your hair fall out while others might only suppress your testosterone production a small amount.
>"heh, I'll just more drugs (that surely don't have any side effects!) to counteract the first drugs!"
A majority of the things you would use to mitigate the side effects of different SARMs are things you should probably be using anyway like NAC, Tudca, and beet root extract. Anything you're taking for a PCT is only going to be for a very short duration and it generally just consists of drugs made to help with male fertility issues. Messing with your hormones will never really be completely "safe" though.
 
Alright guys, what are your favorite "hacks" or MacGyver solutions to use gym equipment the "wrong way" to perform exercises your gym might not have equipment for or just make life easier in general? I've taken to calling it bro-engineering, kinda like bro-science.

It kinda came up in my conversations with @Harambe

Pic related, it's me telling him how to perform a seated calf raise in the leg extension machine
 

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Did diddlies (1x3 @137.5kg), pause Bench (4x6 @75), dumbbell pullovers (3x10 @22), dumbbell shrugs (3x20 @24) and glutes ham raise on the ghd bench (3x10 @10)

Good workout, pyramid warmed up for diddlies and bench and jumped into it with accessories. pretty close to my 3RM on deadlift, the pause bench was brutal. Kept thinking about Ronnie Coleman yelling to keep me hyped, but I couldn't grind out the last rep on that set.

Also a trainer at the gym was doing 30kg pendlay rows with the most Chinese ass form, kind of yanking himself up and jumping while tilting his back up (like a cheat row in the air) then bouncing the bar off his chest, doing sets of 10 in like 5 seconds. He lifts like a retard but he's got a soccer player kind of body and is a sweet enough guy, always very encouraging.

My gym has like one serious lifter as a trainer, got to see him squat 4.5 plate once, the guy has got the ancient Han warrior phenotype.

You guys got any fun retard technique stories guys?
 
I cannot fathom why you would want to go down the roidtranny route. It's a crude hedonism where you castrate yourself, you sacrifice your indepedance as a man by becoming physically dependent on hard drugs for instant gratification. Natural bodybuilding is superior, both in terms of aesthetics, health, and fitness. Dude aren't you still skinny? Haven't you been training for like a year or something? You certainly haven't hit your "natty limit" (doesn't exist), why are you even thinking about this? Btw, SARMS are not some magic tranny pill that's gonna turn you into a true gorl with all the benefits of steroids but none of the downsides, it's still steroids dude. You're still cucking your own hormone production with industrial pharmaceutical "research chemicals".
Men have used PEDs for thousands of years. Associating them with trannies is some weird 4chan shit that normal people think is retarded. Increasing testosterone is the exact opposite of chemical castration, the natty limit is not debatable, and SARMs and steroids are different. If someone is interested in SARMs, telling them they are tranny meth castration steroids that shrink your dick and make you gay is just going to make them think you and everyone else warning them about the risks are full of shit.

roid users shit on SARMS for not being as "effective". And got about the same side effects.
Rightly so. SARMs don't give the same gains, do have similar side effects, and more importantly are not well-researched. Anabolic steroids like testosterone have been studied and used in medicine for almost a century. PCT is mostly bro science. Some of it may help, but the data is not conclusive. You're going to get shut down. How hard and for how long varies. Not wanting to deal with this and wanting to maintain the benefits of high test is why so many people that try steroids or SARMs just switch to TRT after a cycle. Some people will use SARMs just to shut themselves down so they can get a prescription for test.

If you decide to go down this road, be smart about it because there is no going back.
 
Men have used PEDs for thousands of years. Associating them with trannies is some weird 4chan shit that normal people think is retarded. Increasing testosterone is the exact opposite of chemical castration, the natty limit is not debatable, and SARMs and steroids are different. If someone is interested in SARMs, telling them they are tranny meth castration steroids that shrink your dick and make you gay is just going to make them think you and everyone else warning them about the risks are full of shit.
Don't take the roidtranny shit too seriously big guy. There are similarities, though. Supressing your natural hormone production with HRT, the overrepresentation of body dysmorphia, etc. Roiders will often express jealousy towards FTM troons, even, with how easy they have it to get TRT. The cisheteropatriarchial medical system is keeping LIFE SAVING gender affirming treatment from these brave and bold assigned male at birth transmen :'(:'( Also
>"Men have used PEDs for thousands of years"
Lol. Lmao, even.
 
Yesterday,

50lbs dumbell curl 6x2
50lbs dumbell curl 8x2
50lbs hammer curl 6x2
50lbs hammer curl 8x2
60 kg one minute static hold x2 (each hand)

Today

Ab rollout 15x2
Standing ab rollout 6x2
25x4 bodyweight squats
 
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