Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

[CharcoalChkn]

Professional body building has always been and remains rife with corruption and roids.
There is a difference between feeling good about yourself and turning into some weird monstrosity.

I think I used the term body builder too carelessly! I just meant muscly guys (and gals) in general, not exactly comp level/roided out monster.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I think I used the term body builder too carelessly! I just meant muscly guys in general, not exactly comp level/roided out monster.

I reiterate my previous explanation.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

I reiterate my previous explanation.

Roiders can't get a boner even when using ED meds because their hormones are all fucked up.
You're probably trolling and that's cool.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Has anyone else noticed an uptick recently in people saying they find body builders/muscular people unattractive?

I wonder what the reasoning is? Is it cope that they are blobs and will never be able to compete with fit people of the same gender for a mate, or too lazy that they can't be bothered to be healthy and keep up with a potential partner so just say it's gross and unattractive making themselves not the problem?

It's certainly a trend I've been seeing on Twitter and Reddit (I know........not the best places to see sane people responses) wondering if people have noticed on other social media though.

Honestly I've never found super-muscular people very attractive, men or women. I really prefer "semi-slim but with some muscle underneath". Maybe I'm weird.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Honestly I've never found super-muscular people very attractive, men or women. I really prefer "semi-slim but with some muscle underneath". Maybe I'm weird.

You are not. I think the dude just phrased shit wrong.

 

[CharcoalChkn]

Honestly I've never found super-muscular people very attractive, men or women. I really prefer "semi-slim but with some muscle underneath". Maybe I'm weird.

Yeah, fair enough. And I definitely think it's (rightly/fairly) different between genders what they prefer in terms of muscle mass, that's just the way our monkey brains work.

I just found it interesting how many people are like, "This is gross!" "I don't find this attractive." "Why would you do this to yourself??" say that to a person with a little chub and watch yourself get crucified. I've been thinking a lot recently how people scream from the rooftops about body positivity but only to fats. I don't advocate for it, just find the hypocrisy amusing.

Anyway don't want to sperg too much about this, someone mentioned to me the other day I'm too skinny (absolutely not true, I'm actually quite solid) and why would I want to get muscles it's gross on a woman and it pissed me the fuck off, since no one dared say anything about my body when I was actually a pathetic fat slob, so why do they think that it's okay now. Then I guess since it was on my mind I started noticing these sort of comments subconsciously online.

For actual lifting improvements I've already noticed, I took a week and a half off over xmas/new year, I'm into my 3rd session back, I've easily added 2kg-5kg minimum on all my lifts, I'm pretty happy!! A bit stuck on bench though which sucks, I'll get there eventually but it's definitely my weak point. Hoping to get to 50kg PB in the next 6 months.

 

[realitysurf]

This is a really good idea. I'm glad I thought of it. I like the idea of doing it as a chore. If I can do my dishes every day I can do a few minutes of exercise. Thanks fren! I'll get started right away.

Getting into exercise is all about building discipline. Starting with a simple routine would totally work to help build discipline but you will eventually have to join a gym or get a home gym. At that point I'd recommend something like a 3 day split for novices.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Getting into exercise is all about building discipline. Starting with a simple routine would totally work to help build discipline but you will eventually have to join a gym or get a home gym. At that point I'd recommend something like a 3 day split for novices.

This is true. Have to force yourself to do things even when you really don't want to.
Working on sleep hygiene myself.

 

[realitysurf]

This is true. Have to force yourself to do things even when you really don't want to.
Working on sleep hygiene myself.

Sleeping is always the hardest part. You'd be surprised what getting a consistent 8 hours of sleep does for your gains.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Sleeping is always the hardest part. You'd be surprised what getting a consistent 8 hours of sleep does for your gains.

Smoked a huge chuck roast Saturday. Gave most of it to my Boxer.
Sleep is a problem.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

I wonder what the reasoning is? Is it cope that they are blobs and will never be able to compete with fit people of the same gender for a mate, or too lazy that they can't be bothered to be healthy and keep up with a potential partner so just say it's gross and unattractive making themselves not the problem?

That's certainly the explanation I would go with, and probably Natural Hypertrophy too, just with a lot more references to Nietzsche and his idea of Will to Power, Slave Morality, etc.

It's part of a carefully concerted campaign to normalise sloth and ugliness. Have a think about how all advertisements these days feature nothing but obese negresses or purple hairs with septum piercings. (((They))) are trying to destroy the beautiful and the good. It is about ruining the West and what made the West great.

God fucking damn it with the conspiracy theories. Companies respond to market forces. If the whole "body positivity" idea is popular, or proponents of that idea are determined to promote it, then it is profitable to pander to them. That is my explanation.

Of course i don't believe for a second that these represent the actual beliefs of planet fitness. Rather it reflects the things that the average american customer wants to hear because it makes him feel better about himself. Companies are always happy to feed your delusions if it means you'll be spending your money on them.

NH, about 8:30 in the video I linked

I think I used the term body builder too carelessly! I just meant muscly guys (and gals) in general, not exactly comp level/roided out monster.

And as for this, I'd say there is an upper limit for Bigger = Better/more attractive for me, and that's probably around the golden era/men's classic physique size range, and I think the Open category in the Mr Olympia is too big. In fact, my goal physique is probably something like Georg Hackenschmidt

 

[Harambe]

Anyone mind sharing their mental cues for squatting? Right now my squat's been going to shit, I had to take about a month away from it because I injured my wrist, and I'm out of practice. I'm having trouble figuring out the appropriate stance width and keeping my chest up and getting my hip drive optimal. I tend to squat lowbar, but I fold forward too far when I get into the hole, and end up wasting a lot of effort combining a good morning with my squat basically.

My hip mobility may not be the best, which I'm working on by doing deep squats and holding them at the bottom for about 30 seconds a couple times a day, and as part of my general warmup. I'm doing ankle stretches too. I'm trying to find the appropriate width for my stance, I think my legs are too long and my mobility is too crap to hit a shoulder-width stance like with a deadlift, so I try to go wider for sumo, but I keep worrying that my feet aren't aligned or whatever. I don't know if I'm just too in my own head or out of practice.

This week I'm going to be doing 3 second pause squats with a wide stance to try and work on that getting out of the hole thing. My thighs are big and I'm pretty sure they're strong. On leg press machine I can still hit my old PBs with ease (which makes sense, it's easier than doing a squat) so I know it's not strength per se but technique.

 

[Gorillion others]

apparently in europe it's mandatory to NOT wash them (to prevent salmonella)

Oh what, do they still believe in the humors?

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Oh what, do they still believe in the humors?

so apparently when a chicken lays eggs theyre coated in some sorta substance that keeps the bacteria out? And washing removes that? so yeah i guess you could say they believe the chickens humors would keep the bacteria out

 

[Iron Jaguar]

God fucking damn it with the conspiracy theories

It's not a theory.

Companies respond to market forces

You have it the wrong way around. What we are seeing is not "marketing", it is "propaganda".

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

It's not a theory.

got any fucking evidence for that other than "its there bro you just gotta fuckin look there are none so blind as those who will not see"??

 

[CognitiveDeficiency]

Thank God for squats.

Often, when I am alone, I feel nothing but rage. The state of modern culture can be summated as a cesspool of hedonism, narcissism, instant gratification and slave morality. Modern politics is a complete fucking joke, its a banana republic that goes to the highest bidder, and entire swathes of people have their minds changed at the dial of some fucking algorithm in instagram HQ. Even if people were freed from the constant corruption of porn, media and consumerism, the collective education on topics like history, psychology and philosophy is so abysmally nonexistent it wouldn't make a difference anyway because of chronic Dunning-Krueger stupidity. Good thing a vote from a Harvard professor of economics and finance counts for the same as Franky the meth addict. White birth rates continue to plummet and we joyously spread our cheeks for the foreigner to take the country our forefathers entrusted to us, the country that many, many men better than you or me died for. We are all completely blind to the abyss we stand over, the abyss that was once held back by religion, by culture, by heritage and ancestral pride. "haha, just chilll broo, we out here vibing brooo". I legitimately wonder if i won't end up killing one of these fucking plebs some day. Nobody wants to give anything, but everyone wants everything, all the while sucking on the fat teat of government gibs like the useless parasites they are. The meta narrative has collapsed. Nihilism creeps like an all consuming rot through the nucleus of our civilization, and all around me everyone just keeps fucking doing the same old stupid shit. Porn, video games, weed, drinking, hedonism, promiscuity. "Man is a rope between the animal and the superman, a rope over the abyss", and now that rope is about to snap, and darkness will once again swallow up our collective consciousness.

But then I squat as hard as I can.

The voices go away.

And I am happy again.

Thank God for squats.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

Getting into exercise is all about building discipline. Starting with a simple routine would totally work to help build discipline but you will eventually have to join a gym or get a home gym. At that point I'd recommend something like a 3 day split for novices.

Yeah, I'm learning that you just have to do certain things every day/regularly even when you don't want to. I don't know why it didn't occur to me that exercise was one of those things, but it is. I will work on a routine here, and join a gym when I feel I'm disciplined enough to not waste my money.

 

[Vingle]

But then I squat as hard as I can.

The voices go away.

And I am happy again.

Thank God for squats.

I push myself more when I'm pissed, I'm pretty sure being at the gym keeps me away from actually punching down retards I see on a daily basis.

Exercise literally save lives!

 

[William Tyndale]

I've struggled to get into a routine of any sorts of workouts. I do it for a week or two, then quit. I am thinking of joining a gym and paying for a few training sessions to teach me the basics and get access to good equipment (right now I do what little I do at home).

Has anyone struggled with starting a consistent routine like me found paying a trainer useful to getting started and sticking with it? How much can I expect to pay (World Gym is who I'm looking at)? I know it's going to vary based on gym and region, so personal experience is fine. I'm just looking for a ballpark figure.

I'm pretty sure once I start seeing results I'll stick with it, but it's so easy to put it off here at home.

I started a 5x5 program a few months ago and it’s only a couple of lifts. It’s very easy and only takes about an hour to knock out. Maybe a little more. The lifts are simple and don’t require much thought. I also mix it up depending on my time available so I may do 4x8 or 3x10 with different amounts of weight.

Bench
Pullups
Overhead press
Bent over rows
Squats

It’s a full-body workout without much thought required. I’m really enjoying it. I’m an old man so I’m listing for functional strength and not aesthetics.