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So how many of you intend to stick around for Warhammer after this? I know for certain that @The tired cat is digging in his heels, but who else? Also for those staying, how much worse will Warhammer have to get before you eventually ditch it, or will you just ignore any lore rape coming down the pipeline and stick with lore behind a cutoff line of your choosing?
I mean, its less digging my heels and more this feels like a huge bag of nothing. Like, I think the Pramaris shit was worse (because it was badly set up and explained) when Smurf dad was brought back in 7th edition (Im amazed people forgot how early he was brought back), the whole Fem!Custodes feels like nothing. Fuck, they didnt even make some massive annoucenement on this, its a blurb in a Custodes codex, which people are busy trashing because how hard the army got nerfed.
I mean, its less digging my heels and more this feels like a huge bag of nothing. Like, I think the Pramaris shit was worse (because it was badly set up and explained) when Smurf dad was brought back in 7th edition (Im amazed people forgot how early he was brought back), the whole Fem!Custodes feels like nothing. Fuck, they didnt even make some massive annoucenement on this, its a blurb in a Custodes codex, which people are busy trashing because how hard the army got nerfed.
This I can agree with. Primaris is a shit ton more damaging to the setting as a concept than femstodes. It's just that the "current climate" makes me notice patters and primaris is not a new pattern, it's just GW doing another one of their cashgrabs to sell more plastic, femstodes on the other hand is pure virtue signalling. And I've seen too many times how things devolve when virtue signaling suddenly becomes the priority.
Could end up being nothing, or it could end up being that half the lore is written by the same faggots that ruined comic books and you have the equivalent of "wow, will Superman's bisexual son hook up with the cute asian boy with pink hair?"
Femstodes is not the end of it all, it's the start of the very long march of the soul being lost to activists. And that is the part that is hitting me.
I think people forget one thing about GW, for all the cries of them being lefties and etc. These guys are profit driven, an profit driven hard as fuck. When the whole Primaris shit happened, they put all their chips on this shit with a huge annoucement, showing off the models an etc. Femstodies feel like a poinltess hand wave, without a trumpet sounding-check these new models yo-fireworks and lazer show. It frankly feels like this blurb was a "Oh ye, stick that shit here, maybe some new suckers will bite or not"
Could end up being nothing, or it could end up being that half the lore is written by the same faggots that ruined comic books and you have the equivalent of "wow, will Superman's bisexual son hook up with the cute asian boy with pink hair?
I mean, lets be honest comic had this huge stagnation issue before. When you got these guys writing their bad shit, it was just a switch from one bad stagnation to another one. Like, lets ask ourselves how many Batman, Superman or even Spiderman stories had to reverse to the statua quo and tread the same grounds. An its gonna be the same with these new writers.
They had the audacity to show this that they paid money for in 2018 at their convention that was downsized to a single room in a hotel at the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqrkYSHQVw
God DAMN! The amount of "borderlands is hip with the kids, right?" dripping from this shit is overbearing. I can only imagine the reaction of any poor sucker present in that shitty presentation.
So how many of you intend to stick around for Warhammer after this? I know for certain that @The tired cat is digging in his heels, but who else? Also for those staying, how much worse will Warhammer have to get before you eventually ditch it, or will you just ignore any lore rape coming down the pipeline and stick with lore behind a cutoff line of your choosing?
Not leaving. The modern trend of lore rape started with Horus Rising in 2006 and it's been the better part of two decades and immeasurably many BL excretions since then; they'll need to do worse to get rid of me entirely. I'd tentatively say that FSM would be the red line, but we'll see when the day arrives.
So how many of you intend to stick around for Warhammer after this? I know for certain that @The tired cat is digging in his heels, but who else? Also for those staying, how much worse will Warhammer have to get before you eventually ditch it, or will you just ignore any lore rape coming down the pipeline and stick with lore behind a cutoff line of your choosing?
I'll stick around. I'm still to this day expanding my first born Blood Angels, and a small wargaming group has popped up in my area. They're all cool so I would like to see the small community we have going on stick around and grow.
Regarding all the more recent retcons Gee Dubya did to the lore, I personally find the whole Femstodes affair to be among the least egregious examples.
Given the fact that Gee Dubya is the HappyMerchant.jpeg meme made flesh in form of a tabletop corpo and the undeniable fact that gaymers - which includes tabletop gaymers - are all cucks with Stockholm syndrome, I am almost tempted to agree with those who claim that the fans deserve to eat shit. Or whatever the consoomer equivalent of burning the coal and paying the toll is.
I think people forget one thing about GW, for all the cries of them being lefties and etc. These guys are profit driven, an profit driven hard as fuck. When the whole Primaris shit happened, they put all their chips on this shit with a huge annoucement, showing off the models an etc. Femstodies feel like a poinltess hand wave, without a trumpet sounding-check these new models yo-fireworks and lazer show. It frankly feels like this blurb was a "Oh ye, stick that shit here, maybe some new suckers will bite or not"
I see it less as a "stick it in there and see if they bite" and more as "I hope this makes the 'female space marine' crowd shut up" sort of deal. You are right that there is no real commitment, if there were we would have had a dyke haircut model come along with it in a fancy base like that sigmarine release. But it also shows that "they can be pushed around", so I expect the deranged crowd to see this as a sign that they can keep asking for shit to subvert 40K and once a company shows a crack, it tends to just fold like a deck of cards due to not being able to enforce any sort of red lines.
I mean, lets be honest comic had this huge stagnation issue before. When you got these guys writing their bad shit, it was just a switch from one bad stagnation to another one. Like, lets ask ourselves how many Batman, Superman or even Spiderman stories had to reverse to the statua quo and tread the same grounds. An its gonna be the same with these new writers.
Fair point, but counterpoint, Batman getting his back broken for the 5th time while the Joker is now Batman would be an absolutely retarded plot thread, but it's at least still tangentially related to something that may interest the "original" fans, it still has batman, it has the joker, it has crime fighting. Kid Superman's buttsex adventures I'd say is pretty far away from what a Superman fan 15 from 15 years ago was looking forward to. Basically, I much rather have stagnation than subversion. They both lead to death, but one is grandpa forgetting where he is every 5 minutes, the other is grandpa getting raped by a tranny.
But it also shows that "they can be pushed around", so I expect the deranged crowd to see this as a sign that they can keep asking for shit to subvert 40K and once a company shows a crack, it tends to just fold like a deck of cards due to not being able to enforce any sort of red lines.
Maybe its just me, but it feels its less they can be pushed around, and more when companies switch to pride flags on their twitter accounts. Like, its the bottom level of pandering and only people who seem to miss it, are the same who live and breath Twitter because they assume they somehow "won" or something.
Kid Superman's buttsex adventures I'd say is pretty far away from what a Superman fan 15 from 15 years ago was looking forward to. Basically, I much rather have stagnation than subversion. They both lead to death, but one is grandpa forgetting where he is every 5 minutes, the other is grandpa getting raped by a tranny.
Call me crazy, but I swear Superman having a gay kid was a plot for least one of the Silver age or 90s superman comics. Like, I do remember a slew of the dumbest Superman stories that involved him having a kid and one of them def being a gay thing.
This I can agree with. Primaris is a shit ton more damaging to the setting as a concept than femstodes. It's just that the "current climate" makes me notice patters and primaris is not a new pattern, it's just GW doing another one of their cashgrabs to sell more plastic, femstodes on the other hand is pure virtue signalling. And I've seen too many times how things devolve when virtue signaling suddenly becomes the priority.
Could end up being nothing, or it could end up being that half the lore is written by the same faggots that ruined comic books and you have the equivalent of "wow, will Superman's bisexual son hook up with the cute asian boy with pink hair?"
Femstodes is not the end of it all, it's the start of the very long march of the soul being lost to activists. And that is the part that is hitting me.
Imagine a Black Legion book being dedicated to Abaddon's on-again off-again secret gay relationship with Castellan Creed and how tragic it is they can't be together because they're too busy defending/destroying Cadia.
Imagine they print that and try to sell it to you.
So how many of you intend to stick around for Warhammer after this? I know for certain that @The tired cat is digging in his heels, but who else? Also for those staying, how much worse will Warhammer have to get before you eventually ditch it, or will you just ignore any lore rape coming down the pipeline and stick with lore behind a cutoff line of your choosing?
I like the lore, I like the setting, I like the aesthetics. I like painting. It managed to get me back to being religious funnily enough. 40k has gotten big enough with enough issues you can just wholesale disregard a bunch of shit. I mostly do kill team and dark heresy with irl friends who share similar views so it’s like I’m pulling my hair out. I might even get into that kill team fan mod for HH or the HH epic (all 3rd party so GW doesn’t see a dime). The major breaking point is whenever I’ll do LGS or tournaments, which tbh I don’t do a whole lot of so there’s no problem. For now I’m just treating the lore and GW like tranny shit demanding I recognize their pronouns.
I see it less as a "stick it in there and see if they bite" and more as "I hope this makes the 'female space marine' crowd shut up" sort of deal. You are right that there is no real commitment, if there were we would have had a dyke haircut model come along with it in a fancy base like that sigmarine release.
Both assessments are wrong, the writers are woke and forced their femstodes into canon by sneaking it in, hoping it would go unnoticed until publication.
Imagine a Black Legion book being dedicated to Abaddon's on-again off-again secret gay relationship with Castellan Creed and how tragic it is they can't be together because they're too busy defending/destroying Cadia.
Imagine they print that and try to sell it to you.
Both assessments are wrong, the writers are woke and forced their femstodes into canon by sneaking it in, hoping it would go unnoticed until publication.
I can buy this theory as well of a sjw faggot sneaking this shit through. We'll just have to see how the dust settles, but I lack the usual "they did it for money" one two punch GW usually goes with, though that does give credence to your theory of some faggot putting it in since there is no release related to it at all.
Both assessments are wrong, the writers are woke and forced their femstodes into canon by sneaking it in, hoping it would go unnoticed until publication.
You got anything to back that up chief? Cause, they prob would have better chance of sneaking into something that wasnt gettin it ass torn, for makin the Custodes play like shit.
What annoys me most is they think we are stupid. That we can't know for certain femstodes weren't done for any other reason then political spite and to make Larry Finks PP hard at destroying another piece of western culture. Noooo, you are wrong and bad chuds! This is about making the setting more inviting to a "wider audience!"
My dudes, you sell little plastic GI Joe figures for 300 dollars a pop, so that you can do highly autistic simulated battles on a table where you pretend your little GI Joe figurines are ripping out the throats of demons with swords shaped like Chainsaws.
putting a female head on a Custodes model and changing the setting to accommodate it is not going to get more women to play the game.
You got anything to back that up chief? Cause, they prob would have better chance of sneaking into something that wasnt gettin it ass torn, for makin the Custodes play like shit.
Well, I did find it pretty surprising that people like Goonhammer weren't screaming about this at the top of their lungs while they were calling the rules shit "the new codex rules are ass, but there are muscle mommieeeees, YAS QUEN SLAY!". Basically, nobody gave a flying fuck about the fluff for the most part in the review phase and I wouldn't discount proof readers behaving the same way...
I like the lore, I like the setting, I like the aesthetics. I like painting. It managed to get me back to being religious funnily enough. 40k has gotten big enough with enough issues you can just wholesale disregard a bunch of shit. I mostly do kill team and dark heresy with irl friends who share similar views so it’s like I’m pulling my hair out. I might even get into that kill team fan mod for HH or the HH epic (all 3rd party so GW doesn’t see a dime). The major breaking point is whenever I’ll do LGS or tournaments, which tbh I don’t do a whole lot of so there’s no problem. For now I’m just treating the lore and GW like tranny shit demanding I recognize their pronouns.
I'll stick around. I'm still to this day expanding my first born Blood Angels, and a small wargaming group has popped up in my area. They're all cool so I would like to see the small community we have going on stick around and grow.
Not leaving. The modern trend of lore rape started with Horus Rising in 2006 and it's been the better part of two decades and immeasurably many BL excretions since then; they'll need to do worse to get rid of me entirely. I'd tentatively say that FSM would be the red line, but we'll see when the day arrives.
I mean, its less digging my heels and more this feels like a huge bag of nothing. Like, I think the Pramaris shit was worse (because it was badly set up and explained) when Smurf dad was brought back in 7th edition (Im amazed people forgot how early he was brought back), the whole Fem!Custodes feels like nothing. Fuck, they didnt even make some massive annoucenement on this, its a blurb in a Custodes codex, which people are busy trashing because how hard the army got nerfed.
I prefer the HH lore and setting so I’m fine, it’s literally the brotherman vs brotherman game so I know that won’t be fucked with.
Modern 40k has been shit for awhile, this is nothing new but importantly, I’m not going anywhere. I paint, I listen to audio books/read and might get a game in once a month. I’m not getting ran out of this hobby, I’ve already put money down on by a bunch of soggy underpaid Black Library writers.
So it seems most of you are intent on weathering the storm that is the oncoming DEI faggotry deluge, but you each seem to hate different turning points in the franchise, some of you hate Primaris Marines, at least one of you hates the Horus Heresy, among other things. I myself hate Wardian Necrons, but what I don't understand is how the HH or Primaris are worse than femstodes since they aren't woke retcons. Roboute's potential return was left open ended, the Primaris marines are a callback to Corvus Corax and his attempts to fix geneseed, all things set up in prior lore unless you're going as far back as Rogue Trader.
My point is those things were meant to grow the setting, even if poorly, whereas femstodes are an intentional act of spite, snuck in by BL writers to subvert official policy by the suits above them, forcing them to defend the retcon, all to prove they've achieved institutional capture of a chud favorite IP.
Do you suppose things will get so bad at GW that they'll have to undo the woke retcons made now and yet to come, or do you think they're permanent you don't care anyway?
Do you suppose things will get so bad at GW that they'll have to undo the woke retcons made now and yet to come, or do you think they're permanent you don't care anyway?
So opended ended, that they brought him back during the 7th Edition and then needed a 9th eidition to fix up all the gapping plotholes they created with his ressurection.
snuck in by BL writers to subvert official policy by the suits above them, forcing them to defend the retcon, all to prove they've achieved institutional capture of a chud favorite IP.
Do you suppose things will get so bad at GW that they'll have to undo the woke retcons made now and yet to come, or do you think they're permanent you don't care anyway?
I think yer really going into some conspiracy chief. If GW was Ernest with this shit, they wouldnt stick into a blurb of shitty codex, they would have dedicated entire ass pages or make a huge ass annoucement. Again, this feels like vacuum level pandering (like on every shallow level of pandering) and nothing more, that will prob will be either forgotten or retconned, but Im leaning towards the former.
