War Movies - World War I, World War II, Cold War, and Beyond

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I will admit movies like this make 13 Hours look uber realistic. Is this is how Navy Seals dressed in the 1980s lol, no helmets, no plate armor, no optics, no nvg, no silencers, no camo, no facepaint, wearing baggy clothing and I guess this is before the M4 was introduced into service.

 
I watched a pirate stream of that new Tom Hanks movie about the Battle of the North Atlantic called "Greyhound". I heard it was supposed to be faithful to the CS Forester source novel, but some elements of it didn't seem so realistic to me. All the ASW destroyer/convoy stuff felt more or less right, but the behavior of the U-boats seemed very off in parts. I've only ever watched U-boat movies and fiddled around with some U-boat sims, not read that much about first person accounts or tactical analysis, but it seemed weird that the U-boats were constantly surfacing in order to recklessly press the attack with deck guns when it would have been more prudent to just cut and run or at least wait for a more opportune firing solution to present itself. Also it bothered me that the "pin-up" art on the U-boat conning towers was way oversized and one "pin-up" was just that modern stock-photo design of a totenkopf wearing an M43 style cap (see image here). Spending millions on the advanced CGI water effects and modeling for the movie, but spending 0 to use a royalty free clip-art design that is plastered all over shitty Chinese-made "repro" merch on AliExpress and is basically a creation of some modern day graphic designer with no historical basis. I thought it was pretty clever to use the "pin-up" art to visually distinguish the different U-boats, but they should have paid for their own original designs and made the "pin-ups" a bit smaller, like how it was done historically.

@MrJokerRager since it sounds like you play War Thunder, it looked like when in that game, players blow up decals to like 300% size and paste them on the side of their vehicles, covering all sorts of vital components. Just from looking at it, you know that historically it would not have looked like that because the painted design would be covering up access panels or hatches or other components that would not make sense to paint over because people would be constantly opening/closing/fiddling with those parts.
 
millais dijo:
I watched a pirate stream of that new Tom Hanks movie about the Battle of the North Atlantic called "Greyhound". I heard it was supposed to be faithful to the CS Forester source novel, but some elements of it didn't seem so realistic to me. All the ASW destroyer/convoy stuff felt more or less right, but the behavior of the U-boats seemed very off in parts. I've only ever watched U-boat movies and fiddled around with some U-boat sims, not read that much about first person accounts or tactical analysis, but it seemed weird that the U-boats were constantly surfacing in order to recklessly press the attack with deck guns when it would have been more prudent to just cut and run or at least wait for a more opportune firing solution to present itself. Also it bothered me that the "pin-up" art on the U-boat conning towers was way oversized and one "pin-up" was just that modern stock-photo design of a totenkopf wearing an M43 style cap (see image here). Spending millions on the advanced CGI water effects and modeling for the movie, but spending 0 to use a royalty free clip-art design that is plastered all over shitty Chinese-made "repro" merch on AliExpress and is basically a creation of some modern day graphic designer with no historical basis. I thought it was pretty clever to use the "pin-up" art to visually distinguish the different U-boats, but they should have paid for their own original designs and made the "pin-ups" a bit smaller, like how it was done historically.

@MrJokerRager since it sounds like you play War Thunder, it looked like when in that game, players blow up decals to like 300% size and paste them on the side of their vehicles, covering all sorts of vital components. Just from looking at it, you know that historically it would not have looked like that because the painted design would be covering up access panels or hatches or other components that would not make sense to paint over because people would be constantly opening/closing/fiddling with those parts.
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The only good meme to come out of War Thunder customization was the Fedora meme with the wing flaps.

I doubt they would have cared about the paint job since the lifespan of a pilot was literally hours. It would be a miracle if the planes returned back in one full piece. However the best camouflage was the forest camouflage paintjob used by the Royal Air Force. They should bring that paint job back. Also the night fighter camouflages look great as well.

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MrJokerRager dijo:
The only good meme to come out of War Thunder customization was the Fedora meme with the wing flaps.

I doubt they would have cared about the paint job since the lifespan of a pilot was literally hours. It would be a miracle if the planes returned back in one full piece. However the best camouflage was the forest camouflage paintjob used by the Royal Air Force. They should bring that paint job back. Also the night fighter camouflages look great as well.

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Exactly. Again, I haven't read too much about the actual way that U-boats were run and crewed, but I seem to remember that they regularly shuffled around captains and individual crewmen, sometimes even doing a complete crew swap if a training U-boat was reassigned to combat duty, or in some cases where the entire crew died during a training accident and the U-boat was returned to service with a brand new crew. Doesn't seem like they would all have the luxury to devise personalized ship markings or "pin-up art", and I think in some units, the "pin-up" design was the same for all boats as an identifying unit marking, not an individualized design. Whatever the case, in all the photos and illustrations I have seen, the "pin-up" design doesn't take up the entire side of the conning tower. Usually it's just a foot or two across.
 
The Shadow dijo:
Murphy was just that badass.
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He was also a pretty decent actor. His role as John Gant in the western movie No Name on the Bullet was excellent. He plays a hired killer who rolls into a quiet little town and the whole place slowly loses its collective shit because nobody knows who he's there to kill, (and he of course isn't telling.) The quiet confidence of man who has killed many people and could easily kill anyone around him radiates off of Murphy in that film. I've always wondered what it must have been like to be an actor in that movie, trading lines about death and killing with a man who has actually killed more people than you could even draw to your own funeral. I know this is a thread about war movies but No Name on the Bullet is a movie I'd recommend to anyone.
 
RockPaper dijo:
It's kind of a joke. Not sure it exists. But it should. lol

(I'm rooting really hard for Amphibious Handing and Storm the Bitches.)
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Lmfao I wouldn't be surprised if that actually exists, dude.

Anyway those sound like good ones as well, I hope StB is about Normandy specifically, that'd be interesting for a porn scene.
 
MrJokerRager dijo:
I was surprised to find this on YouTube. I just realized that all the guards are carrying MP40s rather than M1928 Thompsons.

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I fucking loved this movie when I was younger, and I'm a Millennial. I'll take an old school war film like this any day over some trash like Inglorious Basterds.

They used to show the uncut version on cable all the time in the 2000's, and this introduced me to the Chad that is Charles Bronson:

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I just watched Pierre Schoendoerffer's La 317eme Section (The 317th Platoon). I had heard about it before, but I wasn't terribly interested until recently, when I read that Antony Beevor (author of those excellent narrative histories on the battles of Stalingrad and Berlin) rated it as the best war movie ever made in his opinion.

Having watched it now, I think he's got a point. The film is indeed astonishingly good with the verisimilitude and historical accuracy and authenticity, and not at all overrated. The movie is about an isolated French-Cambodian colonial unit's arduous overland march through enemy country to reach safety during the final phase of the French war in Indochina. I guess it's sort of cheating because it was filmed on location by a director who was in the thick of the war, just 10 years after the war, with authentic war surplus weapons, materials and equipment, but damned if it isn't exactly like what I read in the books about this sort of action in that war. What happens in the movie is like a smaller scale, Cambodian version of the ordeal that befell the French-Thai montagnard column that was forced to make a fighting withdrawal on foot through hundreds of miles of rugged, mountainous jungle country to reach the "safety" of Dien Bien Phu before the start of the Vietminh siege. The movie perfectly encapsulates the war as experienced by those isolated units of colonial infantry in the northern highlands of Indochina. Tough terrain, awful climate, a determined enemy, no way to evac casualties, culture clash between European officer/NCOs and indigenous soldiers, culture clash between Vietminh and French-allied indigenous ethnic minorities, etc.

For a war movie made in 1965, it is surprisingly realistic with the portrayal of combat and the visual effects, and it feels like a much bigger film than the small filming crew and budget would lead one to believe. It has the same sort of effect as the Battle of Algiers movie where the black-and-white film intensifies the feeling of realism by making the movie feel more like real newsreel footage than a fictional movie at times.

Not a complaint about the movie, but I didn't spend enough time hunting around for a good English subtitle track before watching the movie which was a mistake. The subtitle track I ended up going with was a terribly inaccurate translation so I was almost tempted to just turn it off completely because at times it completely missed entire sentences of dialogue or horribly botched the meaning of a word or phrase, but all of the Cambodian actors playing the colonial soldiers spoke their French lines with such a thick accent that I often couldn't understand a word of what they were saying without the aid of the imperfect English subtitles. And the Cambodian actors have a lot of French dialogue in the movie.
 
I like these old school style of movies but I will admit that I was surprised to see the British lose in this movie.

 
I'm compiling a list of war fiction to watch and reevaluate as someone who just recently joined the army. So far I watched The Hurt Locker and found myself enjoying it.

Others on my list:

Band of Brothers (watching it right now as I recently got Crave, which is Canada's HBOmax equivalent)
The Pacific
The Thin Red Line
The Forgotten War
Generation Kill
Over There
1917

Anyone else got any additions? I'm ignoring obvious choices like Tora Tora Tora, Saving Private Ryan, and Dunkirk.
 
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