War Crimes -- has anyone ever won a war without them? - Are honor and ethics just luxury items and status symbols?

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"Not a step back!"

The Soviets won on the Eastern Front by machine-gunning their own troops if they retreated. I'm not sure whether this is legally a war crime or not, but it sure feels like it ought to be. They also emphasized that to the men men that they would get to have their fill of raping and looting, should they come out victorious and survive. At least, that's how I interpret the Stalin quote to a fellow communist when asked about whether he felt bad about the rape of Berlin.

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The USA and UK won on their fronts by bringing a literal fiery apocalypse, incinerating -- and later microwaving, children. The psychological toll on the veterans must have been enormous, and quickly hushed up, for it is a bad look to see a victor weeping.

I heard that it was actually the bravest and strongest Germans who volunteered to conduct massacres, because they did not want their comrades to bear the burden of guilt and trauma. It was also the bravest and strongest who volunteered to become trench raiders during the previous war. During a trench raid, taking prisoners or accepting surrender could both equally place your life at risk. The prisoner's comrades could be alerted, kill you and free your prisoner.
It is much safer for the raider to slit a prisoner's throat silently and move on, only taking captives if they are valuable, or the only defender remaining. The only option was to strike at zero hour, with overwhelming firepower, but I promise this will be the last tasteless Sabaton insert.

I also heard that in the days of sieges, it was considered completely normal for the victorious besiegers to massacre, loot, and rape everyone in the besieged settlement if they did not surrender before the battering ram first touched the gate.

It's safe to say that our perception of what is honorable and ethical have changed significantly since the invention of the television, and even more rapidly and unpredictably with the advent of social media.

The three-day War Crime Olympics hosted in Ukraine and sponsored by Russian oligarchs proved so popular with its Slavic demographics that they have decided to extend its duration indefinitely.

One of the most popular competitions involves the practice of slowly shredding a wounded and unarmed soldier with grenade shrapnel -- to be posted as music video compilations to Telegram for enthusiastic sadists to enjoy. Competitors find themselves purchased, kidnapped, financially pressured, or otherwise creatively press-ganged into an isolated in no-man's-land, caught between a "Not a step back!" doctrine, and a "Not a step forward!" doctrine. I have found that redditors love debating the legality of this sport.
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A link, and a link

The consensus is that an artillery shell cannot tell whether it is about to hit an injured, unarmed, or surrendering combatant, and that's why all this is totally okay.

They have also put together a gooning compilation of men killing themselves upon being caught in a drone's camera, and Moscow has further normalized this sport by erecting a monument to the men in said gooning compilation.
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The Ukrainians are also big fans of the video game series Dawn of War, and have introduced a requisition point system. Video footage of a confirmed kill will allot points to a unit to purchase new wargear, whether the victim is armed and uninjured or not.

I am not trying to moralize, or taking sides, but merely observing the types of thoughts and conversations that spring up around war. If you have ever watched crimeslop videos, you know that if a person considers themselves a "good person," then they are in a state of psychological comfort and will happily bend laws and facts to suit their image of what a "good person" is in order to remain comfortable. A "good person" does not condone war crimes, no matter how effective -- or even necessary they may be. The question is, who is fooling themselves, and what are the consequences of fooling oneself?

I'm going to let my pal Gemini explain this next part because he did such a good job, and you can tell by my search query that I was feeling a little scatterbrained, so I'll let him take the wheel:
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Link, and link

Using the redditor logic from the Ukraine segment, a JDAM cannot tell whether an Iranian girls school has girls in it, or Iranian troops. It sees a building on a military base that can be used by its enemies. If the school contains both girls and troops, then you can either destroy the human shield or accept your defeat.

This is a structurally weak essay because I have not stated "here's what I think, and why you should too." I call upon the secret style of essay writing, "I don't know what to think, and here's why you shouldn't either."
 
Define: war crime

A crime is a violation of law, and if a law is unenforceable, then the violation of it is no crime at all. It may in fact be morally repugnant and worthy of condemnation though. As is generally the case.
 
I believe that there were some Americans convicted of war crimes, Emmett Till's father Louis was court-martialed and hanged over murdering a civilian and raping two other women, though they were considered Allied women (not sure if Axis women would qualify).

Either way, only the winners get to use the "war crimes" conviction.
 
A crime is a violation of law, and if a law is unenforceable, then the violation of it is no crime at all. It may in fact be morally repugnant and worthy of condemnation though. As is generally the case.
I came up with the idea for this post while watching Rex Jones attempt to debate TheQuartering on whether or not Trump and his Ministry of War need to be put on trial for accidentally hitting that Iranian military base's school. I doubt Rex or his father expect Trump to see the inside of a courtroom over this, but the label of war criminal would hurt his reputation and chances at serving a 3rd term.

Though the question remains: Has anyone ever won a war without actions that are morally repugnant and worthy of condemnation?
 
Define: war crime

A crime is a violation of law, and if a law is unenforceable, then the violation of it is no crime at all. It may in fact be morally repugnant and worthy of condemnation though. As is generally the case.
Ignoring semantic treadmill games, this only works in the short term, as can be seen by every western nation at present. After the war, as atrocities (real or exaggerated) come to light, long term punishments for injustices make themselves apparent. Its intensely demoralizing to a populace to realize that their forebears were violent rape apes. Which is how you end up having everything you fought for in the war torn down and replaced by monuments to the enemy you "defeated" as they run roughshod over your children and grandchildren.

"Well, the populace should just close their heart to the enemy!" Except an apathetic population would have no hunger for war in the first place. You need to play on the idea that the enemy is evil, immoral, must be destroyed. But that doesn't work if the opening shot across the bow is your military vaporizing 200 schoolgirls in a country most of your citizens couldn't find on a map much less give a shit about.

If you ever take an action that has you asking if you are ontologically even capable of evil, then you really should just stop and do something else.
 
When the rules of war are reasonable its perfectly fine

For instance, 'if you don't use phosphorus slugs then I wont'. It doesn't advantage either side whether to use it or not, just greatly increases the number of cripplingly wounded at the end, so there are only upsides to going along with not doing that.

As they are interpreted today, its basically 'you should never go to war, and if you do you should never be able to actually win' which is not reasonable and you can imagine one way or the other that jewed and retarded concept is most likely going to break down
 
Ignoring semantic treadmill games, this only works in the short term, as can be seen by every western nation at present. After the war, as atrocities (real or exaggerated) come to light, long term punishments for injustices make themselves apparent.

It's not semantics considering that the US passed a law known as The Hague Invasion Act, which is a promise to the International Criminal Court, or any other "international authority" that if they try to enforce their war crime claims against US service members, then the US military will literally invade The Hague or anywhere else in Europe.

As you can imagine, that means the US is not in any way ever going to be held accountable for whatever war crime laws they may have. Which means in a practical sense, they aren't really laws at all.
 
It's essentially impossible to prevent war crimes, no country can enforce all soldiers and commanders to go with rules that usually go against their survival. And once a soldier does it, it's Catch 22 if it's worth to prosecute them and ruin moral, especially if fighting an enemy that doesn't care about war crimes. And that's in the case the rules were broken intentionally rather than due to human error/chance that is very common.

That being said, a country can win without being dependent on breaking those rules.

As for the place of the rules themselves, they can help if both sides uphold them since it can massively reduce damage to the civilian populace. But against modern enemies of the west (basically every Islamic group/nation) its only result is massively prolonging conflicts and increasing death tolls on both sides.
 
Get rid of the bankers, Jews and the system these people upheld, and most, if not all of the wars will inevitably degenerate back into fair and square deathmatches. Because the brutality of the wars definitely escalated beyond just killing lots of people after the Jews took over Europe during the 5th Common Era.
 
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