Venom Movie - Spiderman? who's he?

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So Eddie can't jack off without Venom watching?
According to people who worked on the movie, Venom jerks him off in cinema canon.
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In a strange way for me, I liked the lack of backstories because I'm getting sick and tired of 2 hour, 30 minute movies. Venom 2 got right to the point, had its big action scenes, and was done in 90 minutes. For the most part, we kinda know or sense who these characters are already, so let's just get on with it.

I don't know, maybe I was just in the mood for a popcorn movie, but I liked the fact that it got right to it and then ended. More movies honestly need to be 90 minutes.
This is an interesting argument because I agree with you that it's nice to get past yet another origin story and that it can be very powerful to just have a character blast on the screen. However, I don't think Venom pulls this off. The simplest reason I can give is by way of comparison. Look at the central character in Clint Eastwood's "Pale Rider". Arrives with no backstory, we're given little hints but no clear answer. Is it effective? Hell, yes. Desperado, that old Robert Rodriguez movie. He gets a back story towards the end but we start in media res and is an archetypal stranger. Lola in "Run Lola Run" is pretty much what you describe taken to the extreme - 90 minutes of pure adrenalin. Kate Beckinsale in Underworld basically says "I'm a vampire. We're at war with Lycans" at the start and hits the ground running. Doctor Who - we waited fifty-five years for an origin story (and wish we'd never got it!). Is it possible to do a character that is so archetypal, so well written that we don't need to see their birth or growth to "get" them? Absolutely. There are a tonne of examples of such characters working great.

But Cassidy in this film does not have that weight. To draw again that comparison to his role in Natural Born Killers, Woody Harrelson in Venom is just a plot device. I don't feel there's anything to him that makes him scary to me. It's a 90 minute movie and I agree that they simply couldn't fit in an effective origin for him. But I maintain that without an effective origin for him, he's generic as fuck. Might as well have some Brechtian billboard moving around the screen with "Psycho killer" painted on it. Am sure he did his best with what they gave him, but they didn't fucking give him much.

Anyway, that's my take on it, fwiw.

That seems like something Gargan would do
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LOL at her expression in that last panel. :D
 
This is an interesting argument because I agree with you that it's nice to get past yet another origin story and that it can be very powerful to just have a character blast on the screen. However, I don't think Venom pulls this off. The simplest reason I can give is by way of comparison. Look at the central character in Clint Eastwood's "Pale Rider". Arrives with no backstory, we're given little hints but no clear answer. Is it effective? Hell, yes. Desperado, that old Robert Rodriguez movie. He gets a back story towards the end but we start in media res and is an archetypal stranger. Lola in "Run Lola Run" is pretty much what you describe taken to the extreme - 90 minutes of pure adrenalin. Kate Beckinsale in Underworld basically says "I'm a vampire. We're at war with Lycans" at the start and hits the ground running. Doctor Who - we waited fifty-five years for an origin story (and wish we'd never got it!). Is it possible to do a character that is so archetypal, so well written that we don't need to see their birth or growth to "get" them? Absolutely. There are a tonne of examples of such characters working great.

But Cassidy in this film does not have that weight. To draw again that comparison to his role in Natural Born Killers, Woody Harrelson in Venom is just a plot device. I don't feel there's anything to him that makes him scary to me. It's a 90 minute movie and I agree that they simply couldn't fit in an effective origin for him. But I maintain that without an effective origin for him, he's generic as fuck. Might as well have some Brechtian billboard moving around the screen with "Psycho killer" painted on it. Am sure he did his best with what they gave him, but they didn't fucking give him much.

Anyway, that's my take on it, fwiw.



LOL at her expression in that last panel. :biggrin:
If you want a funny read, I strongly recommend this comic. Sinister Spider-Man, Gargan as Venom, impersonating Spider-Man does whatever pops into his brain. Stop a bank robbery, keep money, fuck whores, eat criminals, spend stolen money on more prostitutes, kill prostitute and throw her into J.Jonah’s house, eat more criminals/squirrels, start a bloody gang war and repeat it all tomorrow.
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If you want a funny read, I strongly recommend this comic. Sinister Spider-Man, Gargan as Venom, impersonating Spider-Man does whatever pops into his brain. Stop a bank robbery, keep money, fuck whores, eat criminals, spend stolen money on more prostitutes, kill prostitute and throw her into J.Jonah’s house, eat more criminals/squirrels, start a bloody gang war and repeat it all tomorrow.
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Thanks. I do want a fun read. I'll check it out.
 
Just got done seeing this, it was ok, kind of meh. One thing I did learn from this movie is how burnt out I am on capeshit movies. I think after Spider man I'll be done with Marvel movies for a good long while.
 
Dark Reign was darkly hilarious, Norman Osborn and his merry morons LARPing as superheroes was brilliant.
I LOVE how they made him look like Tommy lee Jones. That whole arc was incredible, would legit recommend every mainline and crossover comic of it with his "superhero" team. I kinda wish it was longer and had a better conclusion, but they did a fantastic job of showing evil scumbags try to be artificially heroic. While getting bribes and cutting deals with dr doom on the side.
 
I LOVE how they made him look like Tommy lee Jones. That whole arc was incredible, would legit recommend every mainline and crossover comic of it with his "superhero" team. I kinda wish it was longer and had a better conclusion, but they did a fantastic job of showing evil scumbags try to be artificially heroic. While getting bribes and cutting deals with dr doom on the side.
Norman getting a ringing endorsement from Obama is also a gem.
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Obama endorsed old Stormin Norman, the guy who deliberately and intentionally cucked his son TWICE and knocked up both girls while he was it.
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Norman is one of the few characters who is an absolute delight to read. Never not entertaining.
 
Norman getting a ringing endorsement from Obama is also a gem.
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Obama endorsed old Stormin Norman, the guy who deliberately and intentionally cucked his son TWICE and knocked up both girls while he was it.
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Norman is one of the few characters who is an absolute delight to read. Never not entertaining.
Oh yeah I forgot that in the comics Norman was endorsed by Obama when he was doing his whole heroic team storyline. I have a feeling Obama would have done that in real life too.
 
Second movie felt like the first movie dialed up, which I liked the first movie, but seems like they took all the same jokes and things people liked in the first movie and then beat the horse dead repeating them ad nauseum.
 
Dark Reign was darkly hilarious, Norman Osborn and his merry morons LARPing as superheroes was brilliant.

So I did check it out and it was fun. I read the Venom one, the Fantastic Four one and a few others. I had my usual problem with comics which is that I have no idea what's going on or what order I'm supposed to read them. If a comic is "Superheroman 1," followed by "Superheroman 2," and so on then I'm fine. But most of the time when I try reading a comic it's part of some cross-over event and I can never follow it. Before you try to help me, please realise it was only this year that I realised Zach Snyder and Scott Snyder were too different people and ask yourself if I can be helped. Comics just confuse me which is why I seldom buy them. I had no idea why people thought Venom was Spiderman. Is Venom not known as his own person in the Marvel setting?

Obama endorsed old Stormin Norman, the guy who deliberately and intentionally cucked his son TWICE and knocked up both girls while he was it.

Okay, let me get this straight. Norman Osbourne, the green goblin, got Gwen Stacey pregnant, is that right? Someone mentioned this once and I wasn't sure if it was a wind up. I've no idea who the other girl was (please not Mary Jane!). I mean - was he in disguise? Was she willing or is this some weird One Last Day / Time Travel / Alternate Time Line shenanigans? Is there actually fruit of this union?

Norman and his “entourage” would fit perfectly in our clown politics.
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I love that smug face he makes in the bottom panel.

Who is the lady in red and black? I'm presuming a villain?
 
Okay, let me get this straight. Norman Osbourne, the green goblin, got Gwen Stacey pregnant, is that right? Someone mentioned this once and I wasn't sure if it was a wind up. I've no idea who the other girl was (please not Mary Jane!). I mean - was he in disguise? Was she willing or is this some weird One Last Day / Time Travel / Alternate Time Line shenanigans? Is there actually fruit of this union?
If I remember right, he used her dna and his to make these two clone shit thingies and was gonna lie and tell spidey he did bang gwen

those two were the kindred from a recent storyline
 
So I did check it out and it was fun. I read the Venom one, the Fantastic Four one and a few others. I had my usual problem with comics which is that I have no idea what's going on or what order I'm supposed to read them. If a comic is "Superheroman 1," followed by "Superheroman 2," and so on then I'm fine. But most of the time when I try reading a comic it's part of some cross-over event and I can never follow it. Before you try to help me, please realise it was only this year that I realised Zach Snyder and Scott Snyder were too different people and ask yourself if I can be helped. Comics just confuse me which is why I seldom buy them. I had no idea why people thought Venom was Spiderman. Is Venom not known as his own person in the Marvel setting?



Okay, let me get this straight. Norman Osbourne, the green goblin, got Gwen Stacey pregnant, is that right? Someone mentioned this once and I wasn't sure if it was a wind up. I've no idea who the other girl was (please not Mary Jane!). I mean - was he in disguise? Was she willing or is this some weird One Last Day / Time Travel / Alternate Time Line shenanigans? Is there actually fruit of this union?



Who is the lady in red and black? I'm presuming a villain?
Yes, it was retconned that Norman knocked up Gwen and she had his baby (twins) it’s being re-retconned but this story was written with that backstory in place. Gwen would’ve been dating Harry at the time. Norman also knocked up Harry’s girlfriend Lily Hollister, also the villain Malice. He takes actual glee in cucking his own son.

So the basics are that during the Civil War, Tony Stark bolstered his forces with supervillains, kept in line with nanobots. One of these villains was Norman Osborn who proved himself during the crisis.

He was screened, medicated (heavily) and appointed Director of the Thunderbolts, a team designed to help super criminals find redemption. Naturally, Norman staffed the team with unrepentant freaks like Bullseye and Venom. During this time they hunted rogue superheroes and metahumans.

Anyway, the Skrulls were infiltrating every facet of Earth and the Avengers were compromised. Tony Stark, as Director of SHIELD replaced everything with Stark-tech. Everything but Thunderbolts Mountain, which is using Norman’s networks, satellites and tech.

Norman because of this detected the alien invasion before anyone else could and led the Thunderbolts in the defence of Washington DC. Cameras worldwide caught Norman, in civvies/combat gear leading the charge.

In the final battle with the Skrulls the same cameras caught Stark fleeing the fight and also captured Norman firing the kill shot on the alien queen.

Norman after some clever politicking (compared himself to the dead Steve Rogers), was an American hero. He became Director of SHIELD (rebranded to HAMMER) and was America’s “top cop” in the superhero-business.

He immediately declared Tony Stark a fugitive and built his magnum opus, his Avengers.
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From left to right
Captain Marvel, actually Marvel Boy. Has no idea the team is full of freaks

Sentry, a schizophrenic powerhouse that Norman befriended and managed to manipulate all of his personalities.

Ms Marvel, actually Moonstone. Former Thunderbolt and the lovely lady who tampered with Norman’s anti-psychotics. Also fucked Marvel Boy, Bullseye and Venom

Iron Patriot, Norman himself.

Ares, Greek God who respects Norman as a warrior, him and Sentry are the only actual Avengers who followed Norman.

Wolverine, actually Daken. Faggot son of Logan

Hawkeye, actually Bullseye. Another of Norman’s Thunderbolt cronies who was rewarded for his loyalty

Spider-Man, actually Venom (Mac Gargan.) Longtime goon for Norman and the resident “problem solver,” Norman fed every Skrull POW to Venom and fed a lot more “problems” to him during the Dark Reign.
 
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