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Memory security is more of an absolute thing - no memory access by devices or software that aren't allowed to access that memory. The same systems that prevent you from cheating in Valorant protect your banking information and privacy.
I'm not talking about Vanguard, I'm talking about IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi. What makes it on your terms is that you're free to enable or disable them as you wish, not that you can arbitrarily decide when they're applied and how they're applied. That would otherwise defeat the purpose of those security features.
You need to just admit you're arguing in bad faith. Nobody here has denounced IOMMU in the slightest. Our entire problem is that Vanguard triggers it against our will.
You need to just admit you're arguing in bad faith. Nobody here has denounced IOMMU in the slightest. Our entire problem is that Vanguard triggers it against our will.
"Your will" appears to be cheating in a video game. What triggers IOMMU is the DMA device accessing a protected memory region. https://support.faceit.com/hc/en-us/articles/19590307650588-Enabling-IOMMU-DMA-Protection
You can decry Vanguard until you're blue in the face, but I just don't understand why you need to take this backwards and nonsensical strategy to do so.
See, here's the issue you don't get. The access and code injection are authorized. By me. The user. The guy who owns the hardware and the OS. If Riot Games doesn't want me doing that, they can ban my ass from their game, not alter my OS configuration against my will.
You plugged on your PC a piece of hardware that does something your OS does not allow it to do, saying "I authorized it when I installed it" means absolutely nothing to your OS, all Vanguard is doing is letting your OS know something is doing something that it shouldn't and it's not allowed to do that anymore, this is not altering your OS configuration, this has been explained about 20 times in this thread already.
This is not what's happening, Vanguard is not altering your OS to do something that it shouldn't and bricking a device, this has also been explained 20 times already, all vanguard is doing is telling your OS that the DMA card is doing things that it shouldn't and the OS acts accordingly, the device is not bricked either.
I want memory security on my terms. Not Vanguard's, not Valorant's, not Riot's.
You need to just admit you're arguing in bad faith. Nobody here has denounced IOMMU in the slightest. Our entire problem is that Vanguard triggers it against our will.
You people are so dumb, how is he arguing in bad faith? He is explaining to you why your OS prevents the DMA card from doing it's thing once riot anti-cheat tells the OS that it's there, it is absolutely relevant to the conversation to talk about IOMMU, complaining that Vanguard triggers it against your will is equivalent to saying that the OS shouldn't be able to do what it is designed to do just because it didn't detect it on it's own.
Going back to my powerlifting competition analogy from a few pages ago: Imagine some guy joins the competition with skin colored knee wraps (DMA card), the judge doesn't know about it (your OS), someone tells the judge that competitors are using skin colored knee wraps (Riot Vanguard) that pretend to just be more skin (DMA card pretending to be hardware it's not and doing things it shouldn't), the OS after finding this out prevents you from using the knee wraps, what the is the complaint? That someone telling the judge is wrong? If Windows were to patch this and do it without a third party alerting them would your complaints go away? "That person who ratted me out did it against my will! The judge (OS) would have let me use knee wraps if he didn't knew about it!"
You people are not absorbing this information either due to stupidity, ideology or both, all you do is argue the same points based on misconceptions over and over again, no matter how many times it's explained to you, and you think that because you give updoots and reddit gold to each posts that somehow proves you being correct, as if concensus meant anything. And every single page there is at least one guy doing an appeal to moderation where "both sides are wrong", and in the case of Riot being the bad guy it's always some misunderstanding of what makes Riot bad, such as Riot "overstepping their bounds" by functionally being a OS security patch via a third party, or overstepping by having ring 0 access when users willingly install it and it's needed to prevent these sort of things because you can't prevent it just in user space, nevermind the post every other page of some guy saying "you shill for company! company always bad! no defend company!", the reasoning that everything done by a company is wrong, regardless of what it is, is retarded.
This thread was exhausted many pages ago and it will keep going for 50 more pages with more illiterate users full of preconceptions that only read a headline, can't use logic and have no understanding of how computers work even when it's explained to them, ironically you people are the ultimate niggercattle because, no matter what evidence is presented to you, you will keep repeating the same arguments that were debunked on this thread 20 times already, you are so easy to propagandize.
You need to just admit you're arguing in bad faith. Nobody here has denounced IOMMU in the slightest. Our entire problem is that Vanguard triggers it against our will.
No. but even if I fucking did. It only give riot the right to ban me from the service. Not to fuck with my hardware. And especially not to act smug about fucking around with it.
You can decry Vanguard until you're blue in the face, but I just don't understand why you need to take this backwards and nonsensical strategy to do so.
Alright nigger. say it with me.
"If I own the computer. It is mine to do with as I like. Not Riot Game's."
Riot has no right to use my system to screw with my hardware. Even if it was used to cheat. You know what? Cheating in valorant is fucking based and I hope those chinks keep doing it now
No. but even if I fucking did. It only give riot the right to ban me from the service. Not to fuck with my hardware. And especially not to act smug about fucking around with it.
Fucking with the cheating hardware is by definition fucking with my hardware. Why not just fucking ban the account?
"Erm, tone policing"
Yeah. I expect an official company account on twitter to act like a goddamn professional. Notice how Jersh himself does this, where on his personal account he goes 'niggerfaggot', but on the official kiwifarms account it's a bit more tactful? It's what people expect when you operate in an official capacity.
Probably because the DMA devices are pretending to be legitimate SATA/NVMe devices and are falsely reporting DMAr support. For that reason, it's also likely a good part of why they cost $5,600 to begin with. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../device-experiences/oem-kernel-dma-protection
Why not just? Because it expedites the anti-cheat process, is less intrusive than having Vanguard do it, and stops cheating before it ruins other people's games.
Yeah. I expect an official company account on twitter to act like a goddamn professional. Notice how Jersh himself does this, where on his personal account he goes 'niggerfaggot', but on the official kiwifarms account it's a bit more tactful? It's what people expect when you operate in an official capacity.
I expect you not to use it as a fallback when you run out of an actual argument. Pretending to have thin skin because you think it makes your argument look better is niggerlicious behavior.
This comes down a philosophical problem over whether nigger cattle deserve to have someone take up the White Man's Burden and protect them or whether they should be allowed to be treated as they wish, as with many issues in computing.
Alright nigger. say it with me.
"If I own the computer. It is mine to do with as I like. Not Riot Game's."
Riot has no right to use my system to screw with my hardware. Even if it was used to cheat. You know what? Cheating in valorant is fucking based and I hope those chinks keep doing it now
One thing you can do, for example, is install Vanguard. Through your own agency, you can put the driver on your computer, accepting whichever UAC prompts delegate some decisions to it. Riot doesn't hide what it does from you, nor is it bundled with the OS or otherwise forced onto your computer. The user is specifically opting in to letting it do whatever it does and Valorant players are clearly willing to do so. Freedom to do as you wish with your computer extends just as much to installing Riot's dubious anticheat and grant it permission to mess with your OS as it does anything else.
I'm going to fence-sit and say that Stop Killing Games has been a recent demonstration in favour of the paternalistic approach and if Riot are going against some law in what they're doing (which strikes me as somewhat doubtful, especially if they aren't yet actually bricking hardware, but you never know), they'll deserve everything they get.
Ultimately between Riot and its players - not even just the cheaters - alike,
The Irony of Klab whining about tone policing is palpable. Like 90% of his argument is tone policing and definition pedantry.
"NoOoOoOo child! It is noT 'bricking'! iT is merely rendering the system inoperable until the necessary repairs are performed!"
"NoOoOoOo child! It is noT 'fucking up' the system, iT is performing DMA Verification, which is a normal function of the system! It is merely forcing it to perform a complex system of operation when it otherwise wouldn't!"
"NoOoOoOo child! I am noT 'gay and retarded' I am merely a male who exclusively has sex with other males and I also happen to be very, very stupid. The stupidity is a natural function of my brain and not a result of impairment, child!"
The reason they cost $5600 is because they can scam retards out of their money. You can do the same with *any* FPGA dev board that has PCIe support for 1/10th the price.
The reason they cost $5600 is because they can scam retards out of their money. You can do the same with *any* FPGA dev board that has PCIe support for 1/10th the price.
I do not want Riot fucking games taking my PC"s security into their hands and snitching for my own sake. Especially not when they're going to be faggots about it.
It's not a fucking fallback. It's an additional point to my previous one. A fallback would be presenting it without other, complimentary arguments to back it up. I know your mom probably fucking drank when she was having you, but can you at least rub the few synapses that survived FAS together to get me some decent fucking rhetorical understaning?
I do not want Riot fucking games taking my PC"s security into their hands and snitching for my own sake. Especially not when they're going to be faggots about it.
"I do not want Riot fucking games taking my PC"s security into their hands and snitching for my own sake." Then don't install Valorant or the Anti-Cheat.
No one has forced you, and no one will be forcing you to. It shouldn't be such a problem to learn that no PR disaster and no lawsuit is coming because Riot didn't break any laws, and the average person doesn't want cheaters to ruin their game.
I've never advocated for Vanguard, and I'm not planning on putting it on my machine. But I shouldn't have to say that to discuss what happened a few days ago, which has nothing to do with the security and privacy risks Vanguard poses.
>riot damaged hardware
Never happened
>taking my PC's security into their hands
General self-serving vaguery. Another way of reframing a nothingburger.
>snitching for my own sake
For the sake of the other people in the lobby.
I've remained on-topic, and the other two-thirds are people who have dropped all pretense of argument and want to sling insults at me. It takes two to tango, and you want me banned for holding a different opinion than you?
I've remained on-topic, and the other two-thirds are people who have dropped all pretense of argument and want to sling insults at me. It takes two to tango, and you want me banned for holding a different opinion than you?
