US tracking suspected Chinese surveillance balloon - Feds afraid of popping Xi's big red balloon

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"The US has been monitoring a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted in the skies over the northern US this week.

Pentagon officials said in a briefing they are "confident that this high-altitude surveillance balloon" belongs to China.
US military chiefs have for now decided against blowing the alleged spy craft out of the sky, citing safety concerns.
US President Joe Biden has been briefed on the situation, said the Pentagon.
The balloon was over the western state of Montana on Wednesday, according to defence officials.
They added that US military leaders, including Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and General Mark Milley, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, met on Wednesday to assess the threat. Mr Austin was travelling to the Philippines at the time.

The military commanders advised against taking "kinetic action" against the balloon because of the danger of debris falling to the ground.
A senior defence official speaking on condition of anonymity said there was no "significantly enhanced threat" of US intelligence being compromised because US officials "know exactly where this balloon is and exactly where it's passing over".
He added that there was no threat to civilian aviation either because the balloon is "significantly" above the altitude used by commercial airlines.
The senior defence official said the US has raised the matter with Chinese officials in their embassy in Washington DC and in Beijing.
The object flew over Alaska's Aleutian Islands and through Canada before appearing over the city of Billings, Montana, on Wednesday, officials say.

During Thursday's briefing at the Pentagon, officials declined to disclose the aircraft's current location. They also refused to provide more details of the object, including its size.

"There have been reports of pilots seeing this thing even though it's pretty high up in the sky," the unnamed defence official said.
"So you know, it's, it's sizable."
The official added that similar balloons have appeared in the skies over the US in the past few years.
But the current balloon "is appearing to hang out for a longer period of time" and has been "more persistent" than previous spy crafts.
It is unclear why it was seen in that particular region of the US. Billings is around 250 miles (400km) southwest of the Malmstrom Air Force Base, which is one of three US air bases that house the Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile.
Pentagon officials refused to confirm if the base was a surveillance target, but agreed "the current flight path does carry it over a number of sensitive sites".

The alleged spy craft confounded social media users in Montana on Wednesday.
People posted photos of a pale round object in the sky that floated separately from the moon. Others reported seeing US military planes in the area, apparently monitoring the object.
It also led to a two-hour ground stop at Billings Logan International Airport after aviation officials made the decision to close 50 sq miles of air space.
It comes ahead of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken's visit to China.
The top US diplomat will be in Beijing next week to hold talks on a wide range of issues, including security, Taiwan and Covid-19.
He will meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, the Financial Times newspaper reported on Thursday."
 
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Disheveled-Human dijo:
So what you are saying is defectors only existed since trooning out became mainstream and that mRNA vaccines are killing/injuring people in staggering numbers. Welp may as well surrender now you have it all figured out. That is exactly the propaganda rival nations want to demoralize you with.

China has never had whistleblowers and their rushed out iteration of the vaccine is more safe and effective because /pol told me.
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Manning isn't a whistleblower, because a whistleblower sees something illegal and then blows the whistle on it. Manning just took a whole bunch of raw data and dumped it onto WikiLeaks without knowing what that data actually contained. There was no specific crime that he was trying to bring to light.

Nothing else you've said is worth addressing.
 
Snekposter dijo:
To quote from Wikipedia:

As to Ames:

Well, how about that.

You're not refuting his point in the slightest.
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A double agent is an individual who has an agent relationship with two intelligence services; he is under the true direction of one service and the other service is unwitting of that arrangement. The purpose of double agent operations is primarily to pass deceptive material but they can also develop information about the adversary's HUMINT tradecraft. I'm sorry I don't have a Wikipedia article, but here is a brief definition from CIA:
A double agent is a person who engages in clandestine activity for two intelligence or security services (or more in joint operations), who provides information about one or about each to the other, and who wittingly withholds significant information from one on the instructions of the other or is unwittingly manipulated by one so that significant facts are withheld from the adversary.
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The whole article is interesting and I commend it to anyone who enjoys such things.

Sometimes (at least back in Cold War days), intelligence officers themselves would act as provocations. In these cases, they maintain with their agency their staff or officer relationship, which is made known to the target; a clandestine relationship with the target, which is known to the officer's service; and a clandestine role as a controlled provocateur, which is not revealed to the target. I read some line KR officer's memoirs and he thought the whole thing was an annoyance, that no one was stupid enough to bring in some FBI special agent who walked up to an intelligence officer saying, "Hello, fellow socialist."

As for Ames, I don't know, read the SSCI assessment. It does a good job defining jargon as it comes up, and Ames turned over a lot of double agent cases. At first (he claims) he was only selling Soviet provocations back to them, but eventually he gave them everything he could get his hands on.
 
pwnest injun dijo:
Manning isn't a whistleblower, because a whistleblower sees something illegal and then blows the whistle on it. Manning just took a whole bunch of raw data and dumped it onto WikiLeaks without knowing what that data actually contained. There was no specific crime that he was trying to bring to light.

Nothing else you've said is worth addressing.
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It's been years since I read into it, but I recommend anyone interested in that fiasco to read the chat logs between Manning and the middleman between WikiLeaks. I don't recall his name and pretty sure he's dead. However the chats came off as Manning REALLY wanting asspats and he just happened to be in the position he was in along with shit security controls.

And that's discounting him crying on the floor in the middle of the SCIF and being a massive faggot.
 
HackerX dijo:
It's been years since I read into it, but I recommend anyone interested in that fiasco to read the chat logs between Manning and the middleman between WikiLeaks.
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Where could we read this? And why did Obama pardon Manning in the first place? I thought he did a stupid amount of damage to ops worldwide -why pardon him?
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug dijo:
I'm not saying the entire Chinese nation should be put down like a dog, but...
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I r8 you l8 because Uncle Sam missed the timing to do it and is now in terminal decline.

I think they have a lot less nukes than the US and Russia, but they are probably fixing that right now. Maybe they should trade computer chips to Russia for a few hundred more ICBMs.
 
Myles the Potatophile dijo:
Where could we read this? And why did Obama pardon Manning in the first place? I thought he did a stupid amount of damage to ops worldwide -why pardon him?
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It's been forever, but this seems to be it it.
https://shadowproof.com/merged-manning-lamo-chat-logs/?amp

And hell if I know. Best guess is just globohomo being globohomo and the deranged faggot was spazzing out in jail, so the only logical action is to pardon him. Your guess is as good as mine.
 
HackerX dijo:
It's been forever, but this seems to be it it.
https://shadowproof.com/merged-manning-lamo-chat-logs/?amp

And hell if I know. Best guess is just globohomo being globohomo and the deranged faggot was spazzing out in jail, so the only logical action is to pardon him. Your guess is as good as mine.
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It was Bush's war, so making it look bad made the Republicans look bad. His sentence was commuted for his service to The Party. Besides, Obama pardoned a lot worse people than Manning.
 
Standardized Profile dijo:
A double agent is an individual who has an agent relationship with two intelligence services; he is under the true direction of one service and the other service is unwitting of that arrangement. The purpose of double agent operations is primarily to pass deceptive material but they can also develop information about the adversary's HUMINT tradecraft. I'm sorry I don't have a Wikipedia article, but here is a brief definition from CIA:
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Yes, and the other poster was saying that Ames was the KGB's double agent, passing info to them when he was originally tasked with countering their activities. And yes, double agents are a great way to reveal the other guy's double agents operating inside your territory.

I don't think we're disputing anything anymore?
 
Feline Supremacist dijo:
Just in time for Black History Month

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Uses an expensive missile to shoot down a slow moving and huge white balloon.

"Ace"
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Jet Fuel Johnny dijo:
As a fuck you to Bush and the Right.

As well as to suck up to the Troon Squad since Manning was claiming to be trans at the time.
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Also the dumb faggot was the beginning of the DNC's boner with social media sites and using it as the public's opinion.
We all know how much reddit and twitter jacked manning off cuz muh wikileaks.
 
Feline Supremacist dijo:
Just in time for Black History Month

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Uses an expensive missile to shoot down a slow moving and huge white balloon.

"Ace"
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They could have just fired a few bullets into the balloon and let gravity do the rest with a simple drone, which would be several time cheeper than this, and they probably would have, had it not been the nigger worship month.
 
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The Chinese spy balloon may have been carrying explosives in a huge payload “the size of a jetliner”, a top Pentagon official revealed on Monday.
The satellite, which defence officials said on Monday weighed tens of thousands of pounds and was 200ft tall, may have had a built-in explosive self-destruct function.
A US Air Force F-22 fighter jet shot down the Chinese spy balloon off the South Carolina coast on Saturday, a week after it first entered US airspace and triggered a dramatic spying saga that worsened Sino-US relations.
The USS Carter Hall landing ship has collected the majority of the debris, the Pentagon said, while the military is using sonar to locate any parts that may have sunk.
Air Force General Glen VanHerck, head of US North American Aerospace Defense Command and Northern Command, told reporters they had so far ascertained that the balloon had a payload the size of a regional jetliner, weighed "in excess of a couple thousand pounds", and potentially carried explosives "to detonate and destroy the balloon."

He said experts continued to assess the debris, which covered the size of 15 football fields, and could not yet confirm whether there were indeed explosives.
The U.S. Coast Guard said Monday it was imposing a temporary security zone in the waters off Surfside Beach, South Carolina in the area where the balloon was shot down.

The 10 nautical mile area security zone blocks vessels from entering without permission of the Coast Guard and is intended to protect the public "from potential hazards associated with physical objects."
The Pentagon also revealed that Chinese spy balloons had briefly flown over the US at least three times during President Donald Trump's administration and one previously under President Joe Biden.
Jake Sullivan, White House national security adviser, defended Mr Biden saying since the president took office, the US “enhanced our capacity to be able to detect things that the Trump administration was unable to detect."


General Glen VanHerck conceded on Monday that previous spy attempts had been missed.
"I will tell you that we did not detect those threats, and that's a domain awareness gap," he said.
He added that US intelligence determined the previous flights after the fact based on "additional means of collection" of intelligence without offering further details on whether that might be cyber espionage, telephone intercepts or human sources.

Second Chinese spy balloon​

It came as China admitted launching a second observation balloon, which it said "accidentally strayed" over Latin America after being blown off course.
The latest balloon was spotted by US and Colombian officials after a similar alleged spy balloon was shot down on the order of Joe Biden, the American president.
China’s foreign ministry acknowledged on Monday morning that the balloon was Chinese.
“It has come to be understood that the relevant unmanned airship is from China,” said Mao Ning, a spokesman. The device “seriously deviated from its scheduled route and accidentally strayed over Latin America and the Caribbean”.
This is similar to what Beijing said previously of the first balloon discovered, which had hovered in Montana over a major US nuclear missile silo complex.


China has maintained that it was a weather research “airship” that had blown off course due to “force majeure”, denying US allegations that the balloon had served surveillance and espionage functions.
Over the weekend, US fighter jets shot the first balloon down over the Atlantic Ocean, prompting Beijing to mock Washington for “shooting a mosquito with a cannon”.
Chinese state media ridiculed the US for acting in an “impractical” way and wasting its resources.
“The US interception method that featured an advanced stealth fighter jet and fired a missile is too costly,” wrote the Global Times, a Communist Party mouthpiece.
“If more balloons, not necessarily from China, fly across the US, the US Air Force would be exhausted in intercepting them in this way.”
Russia backed China on Monday, with Sergei Ryabkov, the deputy foreign minister, saying he was “confident” Beijing was responding in a responsible manner after the balloon travelled into US airspace.
The Chinese government even dismissed the head of its national weather service in what seems to be an attempt to deflect blame and to give credence to its claim that it was a civilian vessel.
Despite Beijing’s protestations that the balloon had no intelligence or military function, a defence ministry spokesman said that it “sternly protests against this move and reserves rights to take necessary measures in dealing with similar situations”.
Chinese state media took the message one step further, saying the US had set a precedent for Chinese forces to shoot down foreign vessels entering its airspace.
China has long maintained that it can do whatever it wishes in its sovereign territory – by land, air and sea.
But what China defines as within its borders does not always match with international law and regulations - a point of contention that Western policymakers and experts have long worried might spark a greater conflict.
China has become more belligerent in how it interacts with the rest of the world, dubbed “wolf warrior” diplomacy, and does in practice react aggressively when the US sails military ships through waters that Beijing claims as its own.
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