Culture US to pull jets, destroyers and submarines from NATO - 100 years later, you're on your damn own


BRUSSELS — Washington told allies it will gradually scale down the number of strategic bombers, fighter jets, drones, submarines and warships dedicated to NATO as it continues pressing Europe to do more for its own defense.

The announcement was made in a closed-door meeting of NATO policy directors on Friday by Pentagon adviser Alexander Velez-Green, according to two alliance diplomats who were granted anonymity to speak freely.

The reductions reflect a long-running effort by U.S. President Donald Trump to pare back America’s role in an alliance he has repeatedly criticized as useless to Washington. It also underscores the administration’s military pivot toward other regions, like the Indo-Pacific.
Trump has dismayed European allies by announcing he would pull 5,000 troops out of Germany, which later turned out to include 4,000 soldiers from Poland — before U-turning and saying he would deploy an additional 5,000 troops to Poland.

The exact nature of the cutbacks is not yet finalized, the diplomats said, and the U.S. did not attach any timelines to the reductions. Washington also reassured allies there would be no changes to its nuclear deterrence, they added.

The meeting did “not [give] exhaustive details … but it is much clearer now,” said a third NATO diplomat, also granted anonymity to speak freely. “It will depend on the capacity of the others to come in with alternatives … some are not touched, others go completely, others can go to one-half or one-third.”

“The timeline is more complicated because it is linked with the credibility of deterrence and defense,” they said. “That said, everything is not yet definitely decided, even in the U.S.”

European allies and the U.S. are likely to discuss the issue further at NATO’s Force Generation conference next month, the two diplomats said. That is a meeting where national military planners define the capabilities they can offer the alliance, and under what conditions.

Under NATO's Force Model system, alliance members periodically identify the soldiers and equipment they will commit to NATO operations — making them available to the alliance’s top commander in the event of a war. The specifics are a closely-guarded secret, but Washington now wants to scale back those commitments.
Jennifer Kavanagh, director of military analysis at the Washington-based Defense Priorities think tank, said the reductions would create gaps that would be particularly difficult to fill rapidly for some types of military assets, including submarines and strategic bombers.

But European allies should not seek to replace them like-for-like, she argued. “The important thing with these U.S. withdrawals is not that Europe matches what is lost but [that] Europe figures out what it really needs to defend itself and procure those capabilities,” Kavanagh said. “Across the board Europe can do this within five years.”

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio made clear to fellow NATO foreign ministers on Friday that further American troop and weapons drawdowns were on their way — while reassuring them that this would be done in a coordinated fashion.

“It’s well understood in the alliance that the United States troop presence in Europe is going to be adjusted — that work was already ongoing, and it’s been done in coordination with our allies,” Rubio told reporters in the Swedish city of Helsingborg. “I’m not saying they’re going to be thrilled about it, but they certainly are aware.”

NATO spokesperson Allison Hart told POLITICO that "there has been an over-reliance on US forces and capabilities" by the alliance, adding: "But as Europe and Canada are investing more in defence and developing more capabilities, the balance of responsibility can shift."

"This change strengthens NATO’s defence plans by reducing over-dependence on one (LOL MORE LIKE YOUR ONLY) ally and is a reflection of a broader shift happening within the alliance," she said.
 
Long overdue. There's no reason the US should continue to subsidize thankless "allies" who never miss an opportunity to be smug, ungrateful fucking cunts to their benefactors, entirely because midwits associate faggoty accents with intelligence.

If you're Eurotrash and you're reading this: you can afford universal healthcare and infinite gibs solely because the le stupid American cowboys are covering your defense spending. Without Uncle Sam, you would be dragged off to Putin's rape dungeons.
 
I saw a comment the other day which was pretty damn funny on some mainstream news Youtube community tab. It went something like:

"500 million Europeans begging 300 million Americans to protect them from 160 million Russians. What a joke."

Europe shouldn't be in such a fucking hole that Russia scares them. But they spent the last 30 or so years destroying themselves thinking the End of History was here and it would all be just smooth sailing to luxury gay space communism Star Trek future of enlightened neoliberalism. Now they reap what they have sown.
 
I saw a comment the other day which was pretty damn funny on some mainstream news Youtube community tab. It went something like:

"500 million Europeans begging 300 million Americans to protect them from 160 million Russians. What a joke."

Europe shouldn't be in such a fucking hole that Russia scares them. But they spent the last 30 or so years destroying themselves thinking the End of History was here and it would all be just smooth sailing to luxury gay space communism Star Trek future of enlightened neoliberalism. Now they reap what they have sown.
It's because the EU is run by stupid boomers who think it's still the Cold War, as if the Russians haven't spent the last 4 years throwing their young men into the meat grinder of their store-brand Russian neighbor (and the last 40-140 years drinking themselves to death out of sheer depression).
Israel probably needs all that stuff more than Europe does.
This, but unironically. Say what you want about the heebs, they're surrounded by 60 IQ sandmonkeys who believe they have divine permission to murder anyone who doesn't suck the dick of their pedophile false messiah.
 
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It's because the EU is run by stupid boomers who think it's still the Cold War,
No, they know it's not the Cold War - back during Trump I they openly laughed at Trump for suggesting the Russians were not an ally and not someone they should be buying their energy from and that he needed to check a calendar.

The only thing they know is that if the US pulls out of NATO? They have to start paying for their own defense, and that means the absolute death of their political systems that were built upon unsustainable gibs and a promise that no European would ever have to make a personal sacrifice for King or Country ever again. Their welfare state/trade union on steroids cannot sustain a single cut in the handouts for any reason.

Even if it's in service of something as simple as national defense? If just one thing gets cut? The parasite class they've spent 3 generations raising will revolt. Attempting a draft will result in mass riots (especially because they'll be exempting all the poor refugees).

Also? The clusterfuck that is European bureaucracy will be laid bare - demonstrably ineffective - as it will fail to produce even one box of ammo without being drawn into endless bickering over who gets the factory, who gets the contract, are there enough minorities on the brochure? We need a collective plan that benefits everyone after all... oh, and because of environmental regulations? We can't make bullets until a green alternative to lead is found..... T he EU will collapse, tens of thousands of politicians will lose their six-figure sinecures, the European Project will fail, and everyone in the academic-industrial complex who said it was both needed and inevitable will be fatally exposed as a fraud not worthy of credentials.

So, they're perfectly willing to pretend to not have said what they're on record saying only 6 or so years ago without shame and claim that the Neo USSR is about to charge through Fulda if it means the US Army can be cajoled into staying around.
 
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poland is americas greatest ally id happily take away all funding to all other countries and give it to poland

id rather put it towards a mars landing though
 
“The important thing with these U.S. withdrawals is not that Europe matches what is lost but [that] Europe figures out what it really needs to defend itself and procure those capabilities,” Kavanagh said. “Across the board Europe can do this within five years.”

I appreciate the administration having balls and deciding to not be the world's rich parent anymore, but also fear for the Europeans that aren't retarded like their leaders. Hopefully said leaders at least have the braincells to realize the need for strong defense, but they already don't when it comes to borders.

Plus who wants to defend the place run by people that actively hate you?

Hoping for the best for Europe and America.
 
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The only thing they know is that if the US pulls out of NATO? They have to start paying for their own defense, and that means the absolute death of their political systems that were built upon unsustainable gibs and a promise that no European would ever have to make a personal sacrifice ever again. Their system cannot sustain a single cut in the welfare for any reason, even if it's in service of something as simple as national defense? If just one thing gets cut? The parasite class they've spent 3 generations raising will revolt, the EU will collapse, tens of thousands of politicians will lose their six-figure sinecures, and they won't let that happen
The welfare state in europe is untenable anyway now that untold millions of browns have flooded into their countries, demanding more and more gibs because of muh kkkolonialism. Who knows, maybe a russian invasion of europe will do them some good, a good buck breaking never hurt.
 
The welfare state in europe is untenable anyway now that untold millions of browns have flooded into their countries, demanding more and more gibs because of muh kkkolonialism. Who knows, maybe a russian invasion of europe will do them some good, a good buck breaking never hurt.
Soros, Wyss, Schwab, and all of their thralls and sycophants really went full-bore into accelerating the decline of Europe and the US via mass immigration over the last decade. These old fucks all began looking death in the face and decided they needed to get their weird-ass neo-feudal utopia rolling before they kicked the bucket. Hence, why the cost of gibs has absolutely skyrocketed in conjunction with Third World invasions of the west, enabled by the NGOs sponsored by these rootless cosmopolitan rats. They know once the gibs are established, only total collapse would end them, so even the right ends up trying to keep them going to stave it off.
 
This, but unironically. Say what you want about the heebs, they're surrounded by 60 IQ sandmonkeys who believe they have divine permission to murder anyone who doesn't suck the dick of their pedophile false messiah.
How is their situation different from the Europeans', exactly?
 
Folks don't realize how much this fucks the Euro-cucks.

For decades they've been propping up their ultra generous social programs, which they love to lord over the US, by not having to pay...well anything for defence. While every other nation state has to shell out massive dollars to provide for their own defence.

Now suddenly the Euro-cucks are going to be forced to choose between keeping all those lovely, expensive, social programs running or enjoying a Slav boot on their necks. We know which they will choose, but damn son, will the populace howl when the cutback starts.

I for one will try to endure the anguish and pain the Europeans will suffer over the next decade. Somehow I will push on.
 
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