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I was young back then too but even I know better.
Eh, compared this past 4 years you can't lie & say this has good entertainment. I wasn't saying 2017-2020 was the best out of all time, but at least there was some bright spots compared to 2021-2024 where people can barely afford groceries & entertainment is at its worst.
 
It looks to me like a lot of the Democratic shenanigans are being caught in time to undo them (like putting ballot storage on camera and getting poll watchers into hostile precincts), and like maybe the Dems themselves aren't that enthusiastic about putting Cackles into the White House.
I'm not sure I'd go that far. They seem like they won't go all the way with her like did Biden, but will be pleasantly surprised to see Trump lose and have an opportunity to crush him for good. At least the Obamas seem to be all in and I'm sure some of their other leadership is of a similar mindset too. The support definitely is not universal, the last year did a lot of damage to their unity I think, but they'll never openly show it.

To be more specific, I think a section of their leadership is willing to see the chips fall where they may, but that does not mean outright throwing her under the bus or that everyone in their leadership agrees with that call. Also, what's Pelosi doing right now anyway? She was the one who went out of her way to organize that coup again Biden.
 
JOE BIDEN of all candidates got 7 million more votes over trump, I can accept a GOP victory as likely, but the most controversial president of the 21st century winning the PV is nothing but the wet dreams of the most ardent Trump supporters, even if he wins I can still see kamala having a 2-3 million lead by pure numbers
Perhaps. But keep in mind Hillary was up +3.2 (actual 2.1) in the composite and Biden was up 6.9 (actual 4.5) in the composite. That's an average of underpolling Trump by 1.75.

Currently it's a +/-0 tie in the composite between Trump and Kamala. On top of that, Trump and his campaign appear to be attempting to drum up the popular vote in noncompetitive states based on his stops. Trump has significantly cut the margins in many huge states.

The circumstances of Kamala's unprecedented "nomination" create a very large number of unknowns. I wouldn't bet on Trump getting the popular vote, but I wouldn't be at all surprised.
 
JOE BIDEN of all candidates got 7 million more votes over trump, I can accept a GOP victory as likely, but the most controversial president of the 21st century winning the PV is nothing but the wet dreams of the most ardent Trump supporters, even if he wins I can still see kamala having a 2-3 million lead by pure numbers
I hesitate to jinx it but imagine if Kamala's election-day turnout doesn't drop that much from Biden's election-day turnout but early-voting/vote-by-mail numbers totally collapse off 2020 like what we're seeing. What might that say about 2020's drop-boxes and mail-ins?

Could encourage previous skeptics to reconsider the issue.
 
JOE BIDEN of all candidates got 7 million more votes over trump, I can accept a GOP victory as likely, but the most controversial president of the 21st century winning the PV is nothing but the wet dreams of the most ardent Trump supporters, even if he wins I can still see kamala having a 2-3 million lead by pure numbers
Plus we have like 12 million more illegals since then. Which will impact the popular vote at least.
I hesitate to jinx it but imagine if Kamala's election-day turnout doesn't drop that much from Biden's election-day turnout but early-voting/vote-by-mail numbers totally collapse off 2020 like what we're seeing. What might that say about 2020's drop-boxes and mail-ins?

Could encourage [revious skeptics to reconsider the issue.
It's just power. They'd do anything to win, they're not gonna care if more evidence of 2020 being rigged comes out of this.
 
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