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Should be a wild four years.

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Based. Trump should hire you for his deportation plans.
Okay fine. I see I need to amend my hiring pitch:


I realize now I was insufficiently clear as to where the deportees would be deported to. My first thought was to the bottom of the sea, but then I realized that would be polluting American waters (all oceans belong to America). The proper location is to complete the browning process by throwing them into an active volcano.
 
You realize the pardon is meaningless because the conviction is state not federal so this is like him pardoning Netanyahu.
Yeah, apparently there's something about fed witnesses involved or something that he's gonna try? I sometimes wish that there were cases that a prez could pardon state level in extreme situations.

Colorado is a no-go state, as bad as left coast, MN/IL, and north east.
 
Okay fine. I see I need to amend my hiring pitch:


I realize now I was insufficiently clear as to where the deportees would be deported to. My first thought was to the bottom of the sea, but then I realized that would be polluting American waters (all oceans belong to America). The proper location is to complete the browning process by throwing them into an active volcano.
Do you want an eruption?
Because that's how you get an eruption.
 
Yeah, apparently there's something about fed witnesses involved or something that he's gonna try? I sometimes with that there were cases that a prez could pardon state level in extreme situations.

Colorado is a no-go state, as bad as left coast, MN/IL, and north east.
Basically he wants the DoJ to look into 2020 rigging and use her as a ‘witness’ and use that to get her into federal hands where hopefully he will give her preferential treatment.

Of course since the federal prison system is kinda in a crisis right now that may not be the best idea either.
 
internal polling must not be able to hide how poorly he doing he actually actually has to do things he could have done months ago. Good he finally did it but he deserves no credit for spending months talking about it and not doing anything while she was rotting in prison and getting attacked by other inmates. Really shows how he treats people who actually help him vs people who kiss his ass.
it was a state level prosecution (Colorado) so that's why he didn't do the pardon earlier this year

In fact, I don't know how the process works but I'm not sure if Trump's federal pardon will matter unless they do some legalfu to make it....applicable? But nevertheless I'm certain it would have happened back in January/February were it not for the state level nature of the sham conviction
 
it was a state level prosecution (Colorado) so that's why he didn't do the pardon earlier this year

In fact, I don't know how the process works but I'm not sure if Trump's federal pardon will matter unless they do some legalfu to make it....applicable? But nevertheless I'm certain it would have happened back in January/February were it not for the state level nature of the sham conviction
Considering how completely incompetent Trump's DOJ is, they'll fail miserably no matter what they do. And then they'll probably extend her sentence and charge her with some other made up bullshit just as an extra fuck you.
 
I love actually reading stuff.

I love reading what's going on and not just headlines
I was not referring to that bit of news, actually. I saw a clip of Trump saying we need to do a better job of getting foreign Chinese and Indian students to stay in the US after graduation.

I don't fucking get it, man. Chinks and Jeets are a way bigger threat than the beaners.
 
We live in a fallen world.
When I was young and reading scifi books I thought we'd have nanomachines and power armor and mind-machine interfaces etc. and the only thing that I have not soured on is (semi-)powered armor. And even then current batteries are too lame and gay for that.

Instead we just get Mengele shit and ads beamed into our dreams by wire interfaces that will give you giga brain cancer. The nanomachines will also give you giga cancer.
 
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Some good news for Tim for a change.

NYT: Trump Isn’t Interested in Fighting a New Cold War. He Wants a New Civilizational War. (archive) - Listed as "America Is Entering Its Third Civil War" on Google News.
Dec. 11, 2025
By Thomas L. Friedman

Every few years I am reminded of one of my cardinal rules of journalism: Whenever you see elephants flying, don’t laugh, take notes. Because if you see elephants flying, something very different is going on that you don’t understand but you and your readers need to.

I bring that up today in response to the Trump administration’s 33-page National Security Strategy, released last week. It has been widely noted that at a time when our geopolitical rivalry with Russia and China is more heated than at any other time since the Cold War — and Moscow and Beijing are more and more closely aligned against America — the Trump 2025 national security doctrine barely mentions these two geopolitical challengers.

While the report surveys U.S. interests across the globe, what intrigues me most about it is how it talks about our European allies and the European Union. It cites activities by our sister European democracies that “undermine political liberty and sovereignty, migration policies that are transforming the continent and creating strife, censorship of free speech and suppression of political opposition, cratering birthrates, and loss of national identities and self-confidence.”

“Should present trends continue,” it goes on, “the continent will be unrecognizable in 20 years or less.”

Indeed, the strategy paper warns, unless our European allies elect more “patriotic” nationalist parties, committed to stemming immigration, Europe will face “civilizational erasure.” Unstated but implied is that we will judge you not by the quality of your democracy but by the stringency by which you stem the migration flow from Muslim countries to Europe’s south.

That is a flying elephant no one should ignore. It is language unlike any previous U.S. national security survey, and to my mind it reveals a deep truth about this second Trump administration: how much it came to Washington to fight America’s third civil war, not to fight the West’s new cold war.

Yes, in my view, we are in a new civil war over a place called home.

First, I need to make a quick detour to “home.” These days there is a tendency to reduce every crisis to the dry metrics of economics, to the chessboard machinations of political or military campaigns, or to ideological manifestoes. All, of course, have their relevance, but the longer I have worked as a journalist, the more I have found that the better starting place for unlocking a story is with the disciplines of psychology and anthropology. They are often much better at revealing the primal energies, anxieties and aspirations that animate our national politics — and global geopolitics — because they uncover and illuminate not just what people say they want, but also what they fear and what they privately pray for, and why.

I was not here for the Civil War of the 1860s, and I was still a boy during our second great civil struggle, the 1960s civil rights movement and the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. But I am definitely on duty for America’s third civil war. This one, like the first two, is over the questions “Whose country is this anyway?” and “Who gets to feel at home in our national house?” This civil war has been less violent than the first two — but it is early.

Humans have an enduring, structural need for home, not only as a physical shelter, but as a psychological anchor and moral compass, too. That is why Dorothy in “The Wizard of Oz” (my favorite movie) got it exactly right: “There’s no place like home.” And when people lose that sense of home — whether by war, rapid economic change, cultural change, demographic change, climate change or technological change — they tend to lose their center of gravity. They may feel as though they are being hurtled around in a tornado, grabbing desperately for anything stable enough to hold onto — and that can include any leader who seems strong enough to reattach them to that place called home, however fraudulent that leader is or unrealistic the prospect.

With that as background, I cannot remember another time in the last 40 years when I have traveled around America, and the world, and found more people asking the same question: “Whose country is this anyway?” Or as Itamar Ben-Gvir, the far-right nationalist Israeli minister, put it, in Hebrew, in his political banner ads during Israel’s 2022 election: “Who is the landlord here?”

And that is not an accident. Today, more people are living outside their country of birth than at any point in recorded history. There are approximately 304 million global migrants — some seeking work, some seeking education, some seeking safety from internal conflicts, some fleeing droughts and floods and deforestation. In our own hemisphere, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection office reports that migrant encounters at our southern border hit historical highs in 2023, while estimates from the Pew Research Center suggest that the total unauthorized population in America grew to 14 million in the same year, breaking a decade-long period of relative stability.

But this is not just about immigrants. America’s third civil war is being fought on multiple fronts. On one front it is white, predominantly Christian Americans resisting the emergence of the minority-dominated America that is now baked into our future sometime in the 2040s, driven by lower birthrates among white Americans and growth in Hispanic, Asian and multiracial American populations.

On another front are Black Americans still struggling against those who would raise new walls to keep them from a place called home. Then there are Americans of every background trying to steady themselves amid cultural currents that seem to shift by the week: new expectations about issues like identity, bathrooms and even a typeface, as well as how we acknowledge one another in the public square.

On yet another front, the gale-force winds of technological change, propelled now by artificial intelligence, are sweeping through workplaces faster than people can plant their feet. And on a fifth front, young Americans of every race, creed and color are straining to afford even a modest home — the physical and psychological harbor that has long anchored the American dream.

My sense is that we now have millions of Americans waking up each morning unsure of the social script, the economic ladder or the cultural norms that are OK to practice in their home. They are psychologically homeless.

When Donald Trump made building a wall along the Mexican border the central motif of his first campaign, he instinctively chose a word that did double duty for millions of Americans. “Wall” meant a physical barrier against uncontrolled immigration that was accelerating our transition to a minority-majority-led America. But it also meant a wall against the pace and scope of change: the cultural, digital and generational whirlwinds reshaping daily life.

That, to me, is the deep backdrop to Trump’s National Security Strategy. He is not interested in refighting the Cold War to defend and expand the frontiers of democracy. He is, in my view, interested in fighting the civilizational war over what is the American “home” and what is the European “home,” with an emphasis on race and Christian-Judeo faith — and who is an ally in that war and who is not.

The economics writer Noah Smith argued in his Substack this week that this was the key reason the MAGA movement began to turn away from Western Europe and draw closer to Vladimir Putin’s Russia — because Trump’s devotees saw Putin as more of a defender of white Christian nationalism and traditional values than the nations of the European Union.

Historically, “in the American mind,” Smith wrote, “Europe stood across the sea as a place of timeless homogeneity, where the native white population had always been and would always remain.” However, “in the 2010s, it dawned on those Americans that this hallowed image of Europe was no longer accurate. With their working population dwindling, European countries took in millions of Muslim refugees and other immigrants from the Middle East and Central and South Asia — many of whom didn’t assimilate nearly as well as their peers in the U.S. You’d hear people say things like ‘Paris isn’t Paris anymore.’”

Today’s MAGA-led American right, Smith added, does “not care intrinsically about democracy, or about allyship, or about NATO, or about the European project. They care about ‘Western civilization.’ Unless Europe expels Muslim immigrants en masse and starts talking about its Christian heritage, the Republican Party is unlikely to lift a hand to help Europe with any of its problems.”

In other words, when protecting “Western civilization” — with a focus on race and faith — become the centerpiece of U.S. national security, the biggest threat becomes uncontrolled immigration into America and Western Europe — not Russia or China. And “protecting American culture, ‘spiritual health’ and ‘traditional families’ are framed as core national security requirements,” as the defense analyst Rick Landgraf pointed out on the defense website “War on the Rocks.”

And that’s why the Trump National Security Strategy paper is no accident or the work of a few low-level ideologues. It is, in fact, the Rosetta Stone explaining what really animates this administration at home and abroad.
The economics writer Noah Smith argued in his Substack this week that this was the key reason the MAGA movement began to turn away from Western Europe and draw closer to Vladimir Putin’s Russia — because Trump’s devotees saw Putin as more of a defender of white Christian nationalism and traditional values than the nations of the European Union.

Newsweek: Republican Declares Second ‘Civil War’ Has Started in US (archive)
Dec 11, 2025
By Dan Gooding and Jason Lemon

Indiana state Senator Mike Gaskill, a Pendleton Republican, declared on Thursday that a "second civil war has already started" in the United States, as he urged his colleagues to back an ultimately unsuccessful state redistricting push backed by President Donald Trump.

"I will submit to you that the Second US Civil War has already started. They're just using surrogates," the Republican lawmaker said. The Indiana state senator added, "I submit to you that that's accurate."

Despite Gaskill's remarks and significant pressure from the Trump administration, the redistricting effort failed in the Indiana Senate on Thursday. The legislative body rejected the mid-decade redistricting bill by a 19-31 vote.

Why It Matters​

Trump has been backing redistricting efforts that would benefit the Republican Party in next year's midterms, but opposition from members of his own party, despite Gaskill's comments, in Indiana will be a blow to those efforts. The notion of a second U.S. civil war has been mentioned a few times in recent history, by those on both sides of the aisle—some worried that progressive policies threaten to divide the country, while others have blamed the MAGA movement for divisive rhetoric.

What To Know​

Outside the state Senate chamber ahead of the vote, redistricting opponents chanted “Vote no!” and “Fair maps!” while holding signs with slogans like “Losers cheat.”

Concerns had been raised about the proposed map, which was designed to give the GOP control of all nine of Indiana's congressional seats, erasing the two currently held by Democrats. Support for the move, however, was unclear, with many state Senators not taking a position ahead of Thursday's vote.

Republican Senator Greg Goode, previously undecided, signaled his displeasure with the redistricting plan. In firmly delivered remarks, he said some of his constituents objected to seeing their county split up or paired with Indianapolis. He expressed “love” for Trump but criticized what he called “over-the-top pressure” from inside and outside the state.

Senator Michael Young, another Republican, said the stakes in Congress justify redistricting, as Democrats are only a few seats away from flipping control of the U.S. House in 2026. “I know this election is going to be very close,” he said.

Gaskill had shown a map of congressional seats across the country, highlighting those held by Democrats in New England and Illinois, and stated that this was evidence that Democrats gerrymandered, and therefore, so should Indiana Republicans.

After comparing the situation to another civil war, Gaskill also compared it to World War II, telling those in the chamber that lawmakers had the opportunity "to either be Churchills or Chamberlains," referring to the British prime ministers in office during the war.

Both parties are gearing up for the 2026 midterms, with Democrats hoping to regain control of at least one chamber of the U.S. Congress. In California, voters approved new measures favorable to Democrats in November, while a judge in Utah imposed new rules that could see the party gain seats there.

Meanwhile, in Texas, Missouri, Ohio, and North Carolina, GOP-favoring maps have also been introduced. In the Texas case, the U.S. Supreme Court had to step in, allowing the changes to go ahead.

What People Are Saying​

Indianapolis Councilor Nick Roberts, on X in response to Gaskill: "This rhetoric is going to get people killed. In a time when we need to be dramatically turning down the temperature, this kind of rhetoric is just so irresponsible."

NAACP National President Derrick Johnson, in a statement shared with Newsweek: “We applaud the Indiana Senate for prioritizing democracy in the face of an authoritarian pressure campaign. The fight over redistricting is far from over, and - as we did in Texas and Missouri - we stand ready to take action whenever and wherever necessary to defend voters’ constitutional rights. We will challenge all attempts to erode Black political power, whenever that may be in the country.”

President Donald Trump, in a Truth Social post Wednesday night about the vote: "Anybody that votes against Redistricting, and the SUCCESS of the Republican Party in D.C., will be, I am sure, met with a MAGA Primary in the Spring. If Republicans will not do what is necessary to save our Country, they will eventually lose everything to the Democrats."

What Happens Next​

Indiana cannot revisit the issue ahead of the 2026 midterms, but other efforts are underway across the country to redraw maps to try to affect the makeup of the House and Senate after next November.
 
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