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Trump Calling Troops Into Los Angeles Is the Real Emergency
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By The Editorial Board
2025-06-09 02:45:09GMT
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Credit...Daniel Cole/Reuters

The National Guard is typically brought into American cities during emergencies such as natural disasters and civil disturbances or to provide support during public health crises — when local authorities require additional resources or manpower. There was no indication that was needed or wanted in Los Angeles this weekend, where local law enforcement had kept protests over federal immigration raids, for the most part, under control.

Guard members also almost always arrive at the request of state leaders, but in California, Gov. Gavin Newsom called the deployment of troops “purposefully inflammatory” and likely to escalate tensions. It had been more than 60 years since a president sent in the National Guard on his own volition.

Which made President Trump’s order on Saturday to do so both ahistoric and based on false pretenses and is already creating the very chaos it was purportedly designed to prevent.

Mr. Trump invoked a rarely used provision of the U.S. Code on Armed Services that allows for the federal deployment of the National Guard if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States.” No such rebellion is underway. As the governor’s spokesman and others have noted, Americans in cities routinely cause more property damage after their sports teams win or lose.

The last time this presidential authority was used over a governor’s objections was when John F. Kennedy overruled the governor of Alabama and sent troops to desegregate the University of Alabama in 1963. Supporters of states’ rights and segregation howled at the time and, in the usual corners, are still howling about it.

“To the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws, they constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States,” Mr. Trump wrote in an executive order, which is not a law but rather a memo to the executive branch. Yet the closest this nation has come to such a definition of rebellion was when Mr. Trump’s own supporters (whom he incited, then mostly pardoned) sacked the U.S. Capitol in 2021.

Past presidents, from both parties, have rarely deployed troops inside the United States because they worried about using the military domestically and because the legal foundations for doing so are unclear. Congress should turn its attention to such deliberations promptly. If presidents hesitate before using the military to assist in recovery after natural disasters but feel free to send in soldiers after a few cars are set on fire, the law is alarmingly vague.

Some legal experts note that Mr. Trump’s order goes even further. He “has also authorized deployment of troops anywhere in the country where protests against Immigration and Customs Enforcement are occurring or are likely to occur, even if they are entirely peaceful,” Liza Goitein, the senior director at the liberty and national security program at the Brennan Center for Justice, said in a social post. “That is unprecedented and a clear abuse of the law.”

There is, however, a long tradition of political protest making America stronger. And protesters will do nothing to further their cause if they resort to violence. But Mr. Trump’s order establishes neither law nor order. Rather it sends the message that the administration is interested in only overreaction and overreach. The scenes of tear gas in Los Angeles streets on Sunday underscored that point: that Mr. Trump’s idea of law and order is strong-handed, disproportionate intervention that adds chaos, anxiety and risk to already tense situations.

In 2020 it was Gen. Mark Milley, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Attorney General William Barr who stepped in and overruled Mr. Trump in his pursuit of using active-duty troops to bring a violent end to demonstrations in Lafayette Square, much to the president’s frustration. His current attorney general, Pam Bondi, and secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, have shown little reservation about potentially putting troops in a position where they might have to decide whether to follow an illegal or immoral order or unnecessarily endanger civilians. These are men and women who have sworn an oath to something more powerful than the current commander in chief: the Constitution. With little leadership, it appears they themselves will have to become students of the law and ethics that should guide their conduct. One can only hope they choose the right path.

The biggest challenge posed by Mr. Trump federalizing the National Guard is this: What’s the limiting principle? Could any president order federalized combat troops to enforce his or her whims? And ultimately, who and what is the U.S. military in service to — the American public or the president’s political agenda?

With this Trump White House, there’s a strong guarantee that the answer will not be sought in the rule of law, longstanding values or established norms. Instead, it will come down to — as it always does with this administration — whatever most serves the president’s interests and impulses.
 
Unironically, at the risk of fed posting, more excessive violence is needed I think. And I don't mean they need to start shooting with live rounds or anything, but it should be more then a few tear gas shots and a couple of wacks with the stick. In all the riot videos, it is clear that all these fucks are so self assured that nothing will happen to them that they go out of there way to harass the riot line and scream like retards when an officer so much looks at them funny for being a retard. And it really should be to no surprise because they've been getting way with this shit for so long. Real force only needs to be applied once and word will spread that the cops aren't fucking around anymore. And maybe, and its a big maybe, the realization will kick in that they don't get away with this because they are united and strong, it's because they let them do it. Lets see how long that solidarity to the cause lasts when most of them are just there to and just larp anyways.
Unfortunately, the rioters have National Lawyers Guild snitches watching and crying whenever one of their attack dogs provokes a cop and get their ass whooped.
 
I can't imagine being a leader of a city and willingly tolerating this shit when there are options and resources to quash it. Sad.
 
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Like specters in the night, we need to summon these motherfuckers with moon runes and noodles to protect the streets once more.

Slant eyes, get on your shit and summon your ancestors.
 
Some of these makeshift barricades are pathetic. They're PATHETIC, they're GAY. 2 dumpsters and a 1 and a half foot garden barrier taking up 1/6th of a street that couldn't stop a sneeze let alone a car.
 
What the city needs is immaterial

Their own mayor said the quiet part out loud. Half the city is controlled by a foreign nation. The President of that foreign nation even came out in support of the traitors. And the flag of the foreign nation has been flown over the rebellion. There has never been a more perfect opportunity to declare an insurrection.

America has been invaded, and California let it happen.

Burn this image into your brains kiwis.
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Mexico has declared war on the American people. We are at war. Approach this entire issue from this lens. This is not about laws, rules and procedure. Its about us, the Americans, and the enemy invaders, the Mexicans. If the California government supports the foreign state, then they are traitors and need to be treated as such.
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I guess the LA mayor back down

Last night she was all "we stand firm against any ICE presence in our city" and "LAPD will no co-operate with ICE under any circumstances"

Now LAPD is out there busting heads and arresting anti-fag. I wonder who stepped in and told Bass to STUF and sit down.
tl;dr: The rioter are literal illegal aliens, people unlawfully inside the US, and they are obstructing Federal agents. Trump has been making good on his threats to declare them foreign enemies.

That is, going to bat for these people, knowing they are unlawful foriegn aliens, is very literally aiding and abedding foreign enemies and obstructing the legitimate operations of the elected federal government. AKA Treason.

Bass doesn't want to be locked up in Gitmo and has likely had this explained to her.

You mean the GOVERNOR of an state is supporting a literal insurrection? What the fuck? I know American federalism values muh freedoms and state rights but shouldn't this warrant an arrest at the very least?
Small quibble here - he is voicing support for them but action wise hasn't done anything. He has refused to act, but he is not willfully obstructing.
You could argue that's the same thing but its harder to prove, especially with executive privilege as governor and "We didn't want to escalate" has a logic to it. Basically the way this is be dealt with is politically: Voted out and/or recalled for not echoing the will of the voters.

Refusing to deploy the national guard: refusal to act.
Doing something like, AS AN EXAMPLE WITH NO BASIS IN ACTIONS TAKEN SO FAR JUST AN EXAMPLE Ordering CHiP offers to form a wall to prevent ICE agents from arresting illegal immigants causing destruction on US soil: Obstruction which would make him liable to federal charges.
 
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