Unpopular Opinions About Western Animation

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From The Uncanny Valley dijo:
Most E/I cartoons were mediocre autism bait at BEST and I dont want to see them come back
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I don't mean total shovelware just meant to barely comply with it, but more things like before the bug even existed but that would have qualified, like Mr. Rogers in particular, although Captain Kangaroo would be a classic example from network TV. I mean if Barney & Friends qualified, CK would definitely have. And I'm not picking on Barney in particular, which I would actually consider a relatively good show for small children especially.

Instead most small children's shows are giant seizure robot levels of excessively busy colors and fast motion almost designed to turn kids into ADHD/tism zombies.
 
Started watching The Batman (2004) and I consider it serviceable. By that I mean, it's fine to show it to children, but the storytelling is far more formulaic and quippy. I know Joss Whedon didn't write this show, but characters do feel the need to have one-liners, even Mister Freeze, who is more like the Arnold version than the Michael Ansara version. Alfred is better here, but it comes at the cost of every character getting simplified. I get the distinct feeling that this show doesn't come anywhere close to even bad TAS episodes.

So, if you've got to show children a Batman show, show TAS. Better acting, better stories, better score.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 dijo:
Started watching The Batman (2004) and I consider it serviceable. By that I mean, it's fine to show it to children, but the storytelling is far more formulaic and quippy. I know Joss Whedon didn't write this show, but characters do feel the need to have one-liners, even Mister Freeze, who is more like the Arnold version than the Michael Ansara version. Alfred is better here, but it comes at the cost of every character getting simplified. I get the distinct feeling that this show doesn't come anywhere close to even bad TAS episodes.

So, if you've got to show children a Batman show, show TAS. Better acting, better stories, better score.
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It gets better as it goes on. Honestly.
 
How to western animation in 2024:
* Give a risky series to somewhat new talent
* If it succeeds, old staff is fired, big names hop on
* Slowly inject it with gay and nigger
* Series turns to shit, people stop caring
* Big names can claim they worked on "successful series", they fail upwards
* Everyone else fails, the series is tainted forever
 
From The Uncanny Valley dijo:
It gets better as it goes on. Honestly.
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I'll admit Ethan Bennett's arc does approach--but not match--TAS in quality, but it's a show that gets quippier the longer it goes on because of Batgirl. I try not to hate her because I'm sure Dick Grayson was also the corny sidekick in previous iterations. It's also a show that relies way too much on Joker. I get that actors want to play him because he's very performance-oriented, but he restricts a lot of storytelling avenues because he has a specific way of going about plots. It feels like this show is mostly divorced from older cinema. I'm pretty sure 2004 isn't going to have a room trashing scene like Simon Trent did or Bullock and Montoya in a Rashomon episode. It's a show that more comparable to Batman Beyond, where the gadgets are the most interesting thing in the show.
 
I'm gradually going through my complete box set of Super Friends.
So guess what, I don't hate the "affirmative action" characters. In fact, I kind of like them. This show did it right by creating new diversity characters instead of race-swapping like is done today. I don't understand why DC hasn't brought them into their comics proper. It shouldn't be a legal issue because WB owns DC and Hanna-Barbera.

The Wonder Twins I can tolerate. Their powers are lame and they're often useless, but as teen sidekicks they're alright.

Marvin and Wendy were always shit, though. I even hated them as a little kid.
 
I know this is a thread for animation but live action shit was probably never good, well most of the live action shows, I think Nickelodeon could've been off better without Dan Schneider shit, but between Nickelodeon and Disney, I think Disney had the better ones.
Edit - Also fuck that 2015 Boomerang reboot.
 
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parapondiallia dijo:
I know this is a thread for animation but live action shit was probably never good, well most of the live action shows, I think Nickelodeon could've been off better without Dan Schneider shit, but between Nickelodeon and Disney, I think Disney had the better ones.
Edit - Also fuck that 2015 Boomerang reboot.
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The kids who liked the live action stuff were always weird
 
From The Uncanny Valley dijo:
The kids who liked the live action stuff were always weird
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I was always more of a animation kid growing up, I can firmly say that. Also lmao, that is kind of true, some of them are probably junkies now, or living in their mother's basement getting high and shit, or probably begging online for money with Youtube as their only source of income cause they have a refusal to get a damn job.
 
From The Uncanny Valley dijo:
The kids who liked the live action stuff were always weird
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Idk man all the kids I knew that were mainly into stuff like Hannah Montana, Big Time Rush etc all turned out fairly normal and left that shit behind at age 12 (the shows sucking and being ugly probably make letting go easier) with some occasional nostalgia, while it's pretty much only cartoon fans I see obsessing over their childhood shows way into adulthood.

Im sure icarly autists exist but they feel way less prevalent at least
 
I would love it if somebody would randomly just bring back The Addams Family 1994 Cartoon or at least reboot it (just not whoever directed the dumbass 2019 movie), I loved one of the episodes on there, where they had their family function and you saw a bunch of their members, I love shit like that.

Edit - I remembered something while going through this thread, I genuinely fucking hate "relatable" characters like Benson, Squidward etc, one literally just yells his ass off at his employees cause they can't get jack shit done most of the time, meanwhile the other is a shitty artist who hates his job and overall just doesn't do shit but be a boring retard.
 
Not exaclty an opinion about animation but, I really despise the fact that by nearly a decade the standard is that if a work is about a slice of life sitcom, it will be animated, but if it will be an Hard Sci-Fi or High Fantasy, it will be "live action", man... What the Real Fuck? Why this still happen when it should be the complete opposite? If someone can give an explaination it, I'm open to know, because I really want to understand why we don't go full animated with Sci-Fi and Fantasy genres anymore while something more realistic that could work better on physical sets pratically went the way of dinossaurs
 
Stewie Seagull dijo:
Not exaclty an opinion about animation but, I really despise the fact that by nearly a decade the standard is that if a work is about a slice of life sitcom, it will be animated, but if it will be an Hard Sci-Fi or High Fantasy, it will be "live action", man... What the Real Fuck? Why this still happen when it should be the complete opposite? If someone can give an explaination it, I'm open to know, because I really want to understand why we don't go full animated with Sci-Fi and Fantasy genres anymore while something more realistic that could work better on physical sets pratically went the way of dinossaurs ...dinossaurs
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I'd like to think because of high budget shit nowadays, every thing has become 3d now, plus it'd be a lot more harder to make a lot of fantasy/futuristic things with how it'd take much actual time probably more than 3d with how you have to make actual props and shit. Probably not the right answer but it's a guess.
 
Travoltron dijo:
I don't hate the "affirmative action" characters. In fact, I kind of like them. This show did it right by creating new diversity characters instead of race-swapping like is done today. I don't understand why DC hasn't brought them into their comics proper.
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I always liked all of them too. they're pretty goofy and very of the era but when I was a kid watching it I didn't give a shit and thought they were cool too. There's potential there it's kinda retarded they've never tried to update any of them and throw them in the big boy justice league books and they've been relegated to old cartoon purgatory.
 
I find Mr. Birchum, the anti-woke Daily Wire+ animated sitcom, ironically funny to observe and analyze as a case study of how NOT to make a comedy. If you told me that Mr. Birchum is meant to be a leftist perspective on how conservatives see themselves, I'd believe you. Actually, since The Daily Wire is Jewish afflicted, I'd believe that they're actually making fun of American conservatism.


Animation sucks, jokes fall flat, social commentary has as much nuance as a Facebook meme, characters are one-dimensional, plot is non-existent. Just watch American Dad.
 
el bandito loco dijo:
I always liked all of them too. they're pretty goofy and very of the era but when I was a kid watching it I didn't give a shit and thought they were cool too. There's potential there it's kinda retarded they've never tried to update any of them and throw them in the big boy justice league books and they've been relegated to old cartoon purgatory.
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Sad part was that many were updated in both Justice League Unlimited and Young Justice, DC just never tried to follow up from them:
 
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